Goodwin puts it in honest perspective...Clinton is the Colluder

[middleview]

1) yes they do have evidence that the Clinton campiagn financed the dossier through a third party (Law Firm) so if the shit hit the fan it would not land directly on them..... it didn't work.

2) Page was an unpaid volunteer and given his past with the FBI and the Russians he was a corrupt FBI and DOJ easiest way in. I wonder if we will ever know how many times they lied to the FISA court.......

3) There is something highly unusual about the FBI and DOJ using unsubstantiated information bought and paid for by one campaign to gain surveillance of the other campaign...... but i am sure that is OK with you....I mean after all it was your sanctimonious morons doing it....

Keep trying

How did they lie to the Fisc judge? The judge was told that the document came from a political campaign source. He could have guessed it was the DNC or Clinton campaign...so what?

You do not know what evidence was provided, in addition to the dossier, to the court.

What surveillance of the campaign? Page didn't work there!

 

[middleview]

More from the Obama apologist. The warrant was not above aboard it was highly unethical at the very least. The FBI and DOJ used opposition research from a foreign source bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign to gain surveillance of Page hoping it would lead to more people in the campaign. It's as dirty as it gets.....but.....as long as the Democrats are doing it, it's ok.

The fact you guys keep pretending this is nothing is pathetic.

In addition to the dossier, you have a letter from Page to his publisher which claimed to be an advisor to the Kremlin. If he had not reported that link to the state department then that alone would be reason for a warrant.

 

[middleview]

Lots of times. Mexican War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam come to mind.

What lie did Truman tell to start the Korean war?

 

[middleview]

Come on. Just to take one item from your list, WWII wasn't started by a Democrat. It was started by Hitler, and had been raging for years before the US got involved. And even when we did intervene, it was not primarily based on any lies. It was based on a massive sneak-attack by the Japanese on America. The basic facts of that attack -- that the US had just met with Japanese ambassadors, with no hint of a coming declaration of war by the Japanese, when Japan suddenly and deliberately attacked us at Pearl Harbor, then followed up with attacks on America throughout the Pacific. You can rightly point out that the US was involved in supporting nations Japan's Axis was fighting, and you can argue that was a provocation, but Japan is the one that took the key step to bring WWII to the United States, after the US had mostly stayed out of it for years. That was the cause of American involvement --the surprise military aggression of the authoritarian Japanese empire against the US -- not some lie told by a Democrat.

Korea wasn't started by a democrat either...it was started by Kim Il Sung when he invaded South Korea.

 

[Arkady]

Definitely the weakest example on my list. And I'll grant that both world wars started before the lies that led to American participation. But Roosevelt did claim the attack was unprovoked, and he also claimed to be defending democracy against fascism. Both lies.

It's hard to call any attack completely "unprovoked," in the context of international relations, since countries are constantly doing things that impact one another, any such act being an arguable provocation. Our support for allies in the face of Japanese imperial expansion threatening them is arguably a provocation. But Japan was definitely in the role of the aggressor, with no justification for attack.

Picture a similar scenario in the opposite direction. For example, picture if the US had launched a full-scale military attack on the Soviets in the 1960s, "provoked" by the Soviets bolstering the Castro regime against US aggression against Cuba? I don't think you'd regard that as provocation.

Anyway, I agree with you that it was not at all about defending democracy against fascism.

 

[Arkady]

Korea wasn't started by a democrat either...it was started by Kim Il Sung when he invaded South Korea.

My knowledge of the Korean War's origins is too weak to engage on that.

 

[Sickofleft]

How did they lie the Fisc judge? The judge was told that the document came from a political campaign source. He could have guessed it was the DNC or Clinton campaign...so what?

You do not know what evidence was provided, in addition to the dossier, to the court.

What surveillance of the campaign? Page didn't work there!

Judges being told that the information came from "political campaign source", is a far cry from "the information was purchased by the other campaign"......

but hey keep trying...

No I don't know what other information was provided but we do know that according to reports that McCabes testimony in the Senate that absent the dossier there would not have been a warrant.

 

[Sickofleft]

In addition to the dossier, you have a letter from Page to his publisher which claimed to be an advisor to the Kremlin. If he had not reported that link to the state department then that alone would be reason for a warrant.

Not true. According to Nunes memo and Grasserly report we know that McCabe told the Senate that absent the dossier there would not be a warrant. Of course everyone and their mother (anyone who is humiliated by the corruption of all of this) is claiming that was taken "out of context"...... I wonder if the money his wife got from Terry Mcauliffe was also "taken out of context"..........I am sure it was monopoly money.......

 

[middleview]

Not true. According to Nunes memo and Grasserly report we know that McCabe told the Senate that absent the dossier there would not be a warrant. Of course everyone and their mother (anyone who is humiliated by the corruption of all of this) is claiming that was taken "out of context"...... I wonder if the money his wife got from Terry Mcauliffe was also "taken out of context"..........I am sure it was monopoly money.......

1. "according to Nunes memo"...which was prepared with help from the White House.
2. also according to the Nunes memo...the surveillance was on a guy who no longer worked for the Trump campaign.l
3. Do you have any evidence that there was any contact between the Clinton campaign and Steele? How about the Clinton campaign and McAuliffe?
4. Do you know if Steele decided on his own to talk to the media or did the folks at Fusion tell him to?

The fact is that if Steele was simply acting on an overwhelming amount of information that he found alarming and decided to contact his friends at the FBI...most of your corruption crap falls apart.

 

[Spamature]

Did Hillary Clinton pull off the dirtiest dirty trick in US presidential history?

By Michael Goodwin |

New bombshell information emerges from unredacted Grassley-Graham memo; panel debates on 'Hannity.'

For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer you remove gets you closer to the truth.

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So it is with the scandalous behavior of the FBI during its probe into whether President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia in 2016. One layer at a time, we’re learning how flawed and dirty that probe was.

A top layer involves the texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and her married lover, Peter Strzok, the lead agent on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe. They casually mention an “insurance policy” in the event Trump won the election and a plan for Strzok to go easy on Clinton because she probably would be their next boss.

Those exchanges, seen in the light of subsequent events, lead to a reasonable conclusion that the fix was in among then-Director James Comey’s team to hurt Trump and help Clinton.

Why are you ignoring the fact that Comey threw the election to Trump with an October surprise while never once making the public aware of this FBI investigation into Trump.

Another layer involves the declassified House memo, which indicates the FBI and Justice Department depended heavily on the unverified Russian dossier about Trump to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen and briefly a Trump adviser.

Page wasn't a member of the Trump campaign when they sought the warrant. You are lying about the facts as known.

The House memo also reveals that Comey and others withheld from the secret surveillance court key partisan facts that would have cast doubt on the dossier. Officials never revealed to the judges that the document was paid for by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee or that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, said he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected.”

This is untrue and Republicans have admitted it is untrue. The court was made aware that the memo came from a partisan source.

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

That cloud was cast when the POTUS got on live television and said he fired the head of the FBI because he would not stop the investigation into his campaign conspiring with Russia in the election.

A third layer of the onion involves the revelations in the letter GOP Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham wrote to the Justice Department. They urge a criminal investigation into whether Steele lied to the FBI about how much and when he fed the dossier to the anti-Trump media.



The letter is compelling in showing that Steele said one thing under oath to a British court and something different to the FBI. The contradictions matter because the agency relied on Steele’s credibility in both the FISA applications and its actual investigation. Strangely, even after it fired him for breaking its rule forbidding media contact, the FBI continued to praise his credibility in court.
If that were all the senators’ letter accomplished, it would be enough. But it does much more.

Even if this were correct . How does it evidence that Clinton colluded with Russia ? If you are saying that then most certainly Flynn and Papadopoulos lying is even greater proof that Trump colluded with Russia. And also it's proof positive that Manafort, his campaign manager, was a paid agent working on behalf of Russia by running the Trump campaign.

It also reveals that two former journalists linked to Clinton, separately identified as the odious Sidney Blumenthal and a man named Cody Shearer, created and gave a State Department official additional unverified allegations against Trump.

The official passed those documents to Steele, who passed them to the FBI, which reportedly saw them as further evidence that Trump worked with Russians. But as Grassley, head of the Judiciary Committee, and Graham write, “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility.”

What kind of moronic shit is this ? Are you accusing them of wrong doing because the Clinton people of contributed to their own opposition research ? The campaign did it's own homework ! Somebody call the cops and have them arrested.

WTF !

 

[Spamature]

Did Hillary Clinton pull off the dirtiest dirty trick in US presidential history?

The State Department official involved in the episode, Jonathan Winer, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post Friday in which he confessed to the senators’ chronology while offering a benign description of his motives. Winer also admitted he shared all the unverified allegations from the Clinton hitmen with other State Department officials.

There are many more layers of the onion to peel, but here’s where we are now: It increasingly appears that the Clinton machine was the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

In addition, the campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

Except none of these people were at that time working for the Clinton campaign. Winer never did, and by then Steele was doing this on his own outside of the campaign which he never actually worked for.

Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. And it is almost certain FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

Yeah, I think the right thing to do when you suspect a crime is to inform law enforcement about your suspicions. Has that changed, are the Republicans now the No Snitching Party. How gansta of you homies, are you giving out stitches to snitches now too ?

In fact, the Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.

Well except for the fact that the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign before they ever knew the dossier existed you might have a point. You forget that Papadopoulos blabbing to the Australian diplomat in May of 2016 about the Russians kicked off that investigation.

That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

I guess it wouldn't be a right wing story without a bit of unrelated HDS tossed in.

The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

That's false right there. Two were caught covering up for Russia by lying to investigators and the other was caught taking over $30 million from them and trying to hide it by laundering the money.

And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

You'll find out what Mueller has to say about it when he bring charges. So hold your horses.

In fairness, one person besides Steele has been cited as justification for the FBI probe. George Papadopoulos, a bit but ambitious player in the Trump orbit, met with a professor in Europe early in 2016 who told him the Kremlin had Clinton’s private e-mails.

In May 2016, Papadopoulos told the story to an Australian diplomat and two months later, in July, the Australian government alerted the FBI.

However, a full timeline convincingly points to Steele as the initial spark. He was hired by a Clinton contractor in June of 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, The Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

At any rate, it is certain that Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

To read more Michael Goodwin on The New York Post click here.

I guess in all fairness is your way of backtracking on your earlier lie about Steele.
God you suck.

 

[marvin martian]

Why are you ignoring the fact that Comey threw the election to Trump with an October surprise while never once making the public aware of this FBI investigation into Trump.


Page wasn't a member of the Trump campaign when they sought the warrant. You are lying about the facts as known.



This is untrue and Republicans have admitted it is untrue. The court was made aware that the memo came from a partisan source.



That cloud was cast when the POTUS got on live television and said he fired the head of the FBI because he would not stop the investigation into his campaign conspiring with Russia in the election.



Even if this were correct . How does it evidence that Clinton colluded with Russia ? If you are saying that then most certainly Flynn and Papadopoulos lying is even greater proof that Trump colluded with Russia. And also it's proof positive that Manafort, his campaign manager, was a paid agent working on behalf of Russia by running the Trump campaign.



What kind of moronic shit is this ? Are you accusing them of wrong doing because the Clinton people of contributed to their own opposition research ? The campaign did it's own homework ! Somebody call the cops and have them arrested.

WTF !

The Clinton campaign and the DNC (which were one and the same in 2016) openly colluded with Russia via another foreign agent (Steele) who was paid by the Clinton campaign AND the FBI to provide foreign intelligence on American citizens. That's not in dispute. Clinton's own campaign manager John Podesta was also a registered foreign agent who worked for Russian interests and had ties to Manafort.

 

[Spamature]

The Clinton campaign and the DNC (which were one and the same in 2016) openly colluded with Russia via another foreign agent (Steele) who was paid by the Clinton campaign AND the FBI to provide foreign intelligence on American citizens. That's not in dispute. Clinton's own campaign manager John Podesta was also a registered foreign agent who worked for Russian interests and had ties to Manafort.

GPS Fusion hired Steele, he worked for them, not the Clinton campaign, nor the DNC.

I think you are talking about his brother Tony Podesta.

Hell Trump himself has business dealings with the Russians. Remember his son said they get all the financing they need out of Russia. Also you have Flynn with his business connections with the Russians and Kushner and Manafort and Trump's personal lawyer Cohen. All of these people were DIRECTLY involved in running the Trump campaign.

 

[EatTheRich]

1) yes they do have evidence that the Clinton campiagn financed the dossier through a third party (Law Firm) so if the shit hit the fan it would not land directly on them..... it didn't work.

2) Page was an unpaid volunteer and given his past with the FBI and the Russians he was a corrupt FBI and DOJ easiest way in. I wonder if we will ever know how many times they lied to the FISA court.......

3) There is something highly unusual about the FBI and DOJ using unsubstantiated information bought and paid for by one campaign to gain surveillance of the other campaign...... but i am sure that is OK with you....I mean after all it was your sanctimonious morons doing it....

Keep trying

1. No, they don't. They have evidence that they hired Steele to dig up dirt on the Republicans, and in the course of doing so he stumbled on the evidence that, on his own initiative, he compiled and put in the dossier.
2. Not when the FISA warrant was issued, he wasn't.
3. No, there isn't. That's police corruption as usual. But it only gets attention because the target was politically connected.

 

[EatTheRich]

All lies told by someone other than a democratic administration.

Jefferson Davis=Democrat
Alexander Stephens=Democrat

 

[EatTheRich]

The attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked from the standpoint of any military action by the US against Japan. If you were Japanese you might argue that the refusal by the US to sell scrap steel or oil to Japan was a provocation. Since I don't see that a military attack on a nation that refuses to sell something to you is appropriate...I also don't see it as a reasonable response.

It certainly wasn't reasonable. But the effort to starve the Japanese was a provocation.

 

[EatTheRich]

What lie did Truman tell to start the Korean war?

That S. Korea was a sovereign nation that N. Korean communists invaded, rather than an occupied territory that the elected Korean government tried to reassert control over.

 

[EatTheRich]

Judges being told that the information came from "political campaign source", is a far cry from "the information was purchased by the other campaign"......

but hey keep trying...

No I don't know what other information was provided but we do know that according to reports that McCabes testimony in the Senate that absent the dossier there would not have been a warrant.

McCabe wasn't even reported to have said that ... not even according to the Nunes memo.

 

[middleview]

The Clinton campaign and the DNC (which were one and the same in 2016) openly colluded with Russia via another foreign agent (Steele) who was paid by the Clinton campaign AND the FBI to provide foreign intelligence on American citizens. That's not in dispute. Clinton's own campaign manager John Podesta was also a registered foreign agent who worked for Russian interests and had ties to Manafort.

If Podesta registered then what is the problem? Page did not.

 

[marvin martian]

If Podesta registered then what is the problem? Page did not.

I see. So the working for Russia part doesn't bother you, just the registration status. That's what you're going with?