Here here Jon Stewart. F those clowns

[RickWA]

Where is the “small government” party or movement that hasn’t either done this, or morphed into a “big government” dictatorship, in practice when given power?

Many Western and Southern states. Why would anyone who claims to be honest and/or reasonably bright reduce such a thing to such oversimplified nonsense?

 

[EatTheRich]

That’s all it means, huh?

Well...no point in discussing things when this is what constitutes “reason”.

“Small government” leaders of the modern age:

Chiang Kai-Shek, Ferdinand Marcos, Anastasio Somoza pere and fils, the Duvaliers, Agusto Pinochet, Vicente Fox

 

[Spamature]

So if our government was small and left us to our own devices, then we wouldn't have 100, 000+ people swarming the border just to my SW every year? Is that what you're saying?

I'd be okay with that.

No just only the worst. after all MS13 was created here. So they would already have a foothold.

 

[EatTheRich]

Many Western and Southern states. Why would anyone who claims to be honest and/or reasonably bright reduce such a thing to such oversimplified nonsense?

Southern states=Jim Crow=big government.
Ku Klux Klan, James gang, Texas Rangers, Comanche empire, Huey Longism, New Orleans machine

Western states=sundown towns, Regulators, lynchings, sheepmen/cattlemen wars, sagebrush rebellion, Freemen, BIA=big government, BLM=big government, massacres of strikers, Birchers, Aryan Nations, violent New Age cults, mob-run AND segregationist Vegas, Mormon wars

Not to mention all the school shootings ... bootleggers ... Crips and Bloods ...

When the shogunate was abolished in Japan, the modernizing clique that had seized power sent a delegation around the world to observe how advanced countries did things so they could decide what reforms they wanted. They got to San Francisco early on, and were appalled at the lack of law and order.

 

[RickWA]

“Small government” leaders of the modern age:

Chiang Kai-Shek, Ferdinand Marcos, Anastasio Somoza pere and fils, the Duvaliers, Agusto Pinochet, Vicente Fox

Uhh...yeah...it makes sense to discuss things with you...

 

[freyasman]

Yeah, you would have people fleeing. “Small government” just means no interference with gangs and warlords setting up their own local fiefdoms. Neo-feudalism by another name.

I ask again, what about that is any worse than the shit that goes on here now?

 

[freyasman]

Where is the “small government” party or movement that hasn’t either done this, or morphed into a “big government” dictatorship, in practice when given power?

Yeah, they always try to expand and grab more power; Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.
We should be aware of that, watch out for it, and hang them all at the first sign of it. Otherwise we get this shit.

 

[freyasman]

No just only the worst. after all MS13 was created here. So they would already have a foothold.

Groups like that are only a problem when we have to worry about the cops coming after us for dealing with them. If that was no longer a concern, we'd simply kill them all.

 

[EatTheRich]

I ask again, what about that is any worse than the shit that goes on here now?

Again, you are a mercenary. If killing for hire is your stock in trade, devolved government is the way to go.

 

[freyasman]

Again, you are a mercenary. If killing for hire is your stock in trade, devolved government is the way to go.

More of an instructor and consultant nowadays, but so what? You think that many folks would need help with this?
People actually did a damn good job of protecting themselves and their own without any professional help for most of our history...... look up Northfield MN, and Coffeyville KS. Not to mention all the folks who moved out to the frontier of our country while it was being settled.
Unlike yourself, most people not only can handle their own business, they actually want to...... and coincidentally, people who are like that, don't want a damn thing to do with folks like you.

 

[freyasman]

 

[EatTheRich]

More of an instructor and consultant nowadays, but so what? You think that many folks would need help with this?
People actually did a damn good job of protecting themselves and their own without any professional help for most of our history...... look up Northfield MN, and Coffeyville KS. Not to mention all the folks who moved out to the frontier of our country while it was being settled.
Unlike yourself, most people not only can handle their own business, they actually want to...... and coincidentally, people who are like that, don't want a damn thing to do with folks like you.

Weren’t the people who moved out to the frontier supported by the cavalry and Gatling guns? At any rate, you are not calling for absence of government. You are calling for thousands of local governments all over the place.

 

[freyasman]

Weren’t the people who moved out to the frontier supported by the cavalry and Gatling guns? At any rate, you are not calling for absence of government. You are calling for thousands of local governments all over the place.

Tiny ones compared to what we have now, and accountable to their neighbors, rather than a central government that doesn't give a fvck.

 

[EatTheRich]

Tiny ones compared to what we have now, and accountable to their neighbors, rather than a central government that doesn't give a fvck.

Great! How do we make them accountable to their neighbors instead of the private fiefdom of unaccountable local barons?

 

[freyasman]

Great! How do we make them accountable to their neighbors instead of the private fiefdom of unaccountable local barons?

Ummmm..... when they get out of line, we walk into their offices, or up to their front doors, and we kick the living shit out of them. WTF do you think, dumbass?
And if they don't learn their lesson, you run them out of town. If they really don't learn, you kill them and burn their house down.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are you that conditioned to never acting on your own initiative?

 

[EatTheRich]

Ummmm..... when they get out of line, we walk into their offices, or up to their front doors, and we kick the living shit out of them. WTF do you think, dumbass?
And if they don't learn their lesson, you run them out of town. If they really don't learn, you kill them and burn their house down.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Are you that conditioned to never acting on your own initiative?

No, I’m just not as naive about politics as you are. Feudalism didn’t persist for centuries because no one else had that idea, it persisted because there was always someone who could build a gang powerful enough to withstand all comers. As long as we have private property we will inevitably be ruled by a small elite because that’s the nature of how private property operates.

 

[freyasman]

No, I’m just not as naive about politics as you are. Feudalism didn’t persist for centuries because no one else had that idea, it persisted because there was always someone who could build a gang powerful enough to withstand all comers. As long as we have private property we will inevitably be ruled by a small elite because that’s the nature of how private property operates.

Not really.