Here's What Democrats Said in 2012 About holding an Attorney General in Contempt

[middleview]

What lie are you claiming I made again? Chump. The fact is you just lied when you stated Holder did not sell guns. You do not know this because the documents that could have implicated or cleared him were never turned over to Congress. This is precisely the reason Holder was held in contempt. Dummy.




The ATF is not just some "group". They are part of the DOJ and they report directly to the attorney general. High echelon DOJ officials were very aware of the program and authorized it. We don't know if it went to Holder or even Obama because Obama declared executive privilege and Holder refused to comply with Congressional subpoenas on the matter. Hence, Holder was held in contempt after MANY MONTHS of Congress trying to work with him.

And the program was only "legal" in the sense that it was DOJ approved. That doesn't make it not corrupt and not misguided. Haven't we learned that lesson through things like the use of the phony dossier to justify spying on a Presidential campaign?

Now you going to acknowledge the gross hypocrisy of Nadler and other left wingers? Either both contempt charges against an AG are "politically motivated" or both "necessary"? Trashy, disgusting cretin will spin in opposite directions to advance his political objectives. Everything these fools utter must be viewed under that lens.

Can you actually say you think Holder sold guns at a gunshop in Arizona to a straw buyer?
If you do, you're admitting to lying. That never happened. Were guns sold to the cartel? No, they were legally purchased, but to suspected straw buyers. Straw buyers were followed into Mexico to get the cartel buyers.

Now...be specific...what documents were subpoenaed by Congress and withheld by Holder?

Why wasn't there an investigation into WideReceiver? Guns were handed to the cartels in that operation as well.

 

[middleview]

I was having fun LMFAO at the sheer ignorance @middleview has on this topic.

Your education will be wasted on him. He will deny the obvious facts in your post because we are talking about Barry Hussein's "Wingman". Anyone that close to his Messiah also walks on water.

Takes a strange individual to have fun getting busted for posting bullshit. Holder never sold a gun, but you two bumpkins are still pushing that story. Ashcroft and Bush didn't sell any guns to the cartel either.

Finding the straw buyers who were buying the guns and smuggling them into Mexico was the goal of both WR and F&F. Tracking them to the cartels failed for both operations.

Do you have any evidence to dispute these facts? I'd bet not.

 

[Dawg]

Obama and Holder 'Gunwalkers'

https://legalinsurrection.com/2011/07/obama-sold-tracked-same-guns-to-cartels-he-hoped-to-ban-because-they-were-tracked-from-cartels/

 

[Mick]

Can you actually say you think Holder sold guns at a gunshop in Arizona

There was never a claim that Eric Holder was physically present in a gun shop when guys were illegally sold. Nonetheless, you keep saying it. It's either the result of an extremely low IQ or you know your position so untenable and pathetic that you are forced to make shit up. Which is it?

Were guns sold to the cartel? No, they were legally purchased, but to suspected straw buyers.

Once again, you are lying through your rotted out left wing teeth again. The guns were not "legally" purchased. They were illegally sold. You can't even get simple facts here straight and you expect anyone to take you seriously? Good God, you're delusional. This was an illegal operation top to bottom that lead to the death of an American....and many other atrocities by violent criminals. The question is how much did Holder....and even Obama know about it? And why was Holder trying to silence whistleblowers? It was a DOJ operation and the buck stopped with Holder. Obama claimed executive privilege and Holder refused to turn over documents to Congress which were subpoenaed. Only after 8 months of Holder refusing to comply did Congress finally move to hold him in contempt. Facts matter. Left wing psychosis does not.

Now...be specific...what documents were subpoenaed by Congress and withheld by Holder?

I'll help you out here a little bit, left wing pea brain:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/william-barr-vs-eric-holder-a-tale-of-two-attorneys-general/

"Here is the background of the Holder contempt. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), a unit of Holder’s Department of Justice (DOJ), conducted an operation called “Fast & Furious,” intended to track illegal gun sales. In fact it put hundreds of weapons in the hands of Mexican criminal gangs, leading to the death of an American officer. On February 4, 2011, after news of the operation emerged, Holder’s assistant attorney general sent a letter to Congress declaring that the Obama administration had no knowledge of the operation. This letter was false, as Holder later admitted.

A congressional committee wanted to know why it had been misled. BATFE employees leaked to Congress that the department was still suppressing the truth about the operation and retaliating against whistleblowers. The committee wanted to dig into that. It demanded DOJ documents “relating to actions the Department took to silence or retaliate against Fast and Furious whistleblowers,” so that it could determine “what the Department knew about Fast and Furious, including when and how it discovered its February 4 letter was false, and the Department’s efforts to conceal that information from Congress and the public.”

The committee’s first request for documents came early in March of 2011. The department did not comply with the request. On March 31, the committee issued its first subpoena. Again the department failed to comply. Over the next six months, the committee held a series of hearings, and Holder eventually admitted that the Fast & Furious operation had been “fundamentally flawed” and that DOJ’s February 4 letter denying administration knowledge was “inaccurate.”

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Now are you going to explain why left wing scumbags should be taken seriously on this issue....or any issue.....when they will completely flip and do a 180 degree switch of their basic principles depending on the person being targeted? Nancy Pelosi's "constitutional crisis" now was Nancy Pelosi's "ridiculous thing" back then. These are not people who want justice and fight for that which is true and factual. It's sick, it's evil, and it's something any honest American would utterly reject. No person with integrity could or would treat these two situations so differently. That's why America needs to reject this left wing scourge.

 

[middleview]

There was never a claim that Eric Holder was physically present in a gun shop when guys were illegally sold. Nonetheless, you keep saying it. It's either the result of an extremely low IQ or you know your position so untenable and pathetic that you are forced to make shit up. Which is it?




Once again, you are lying through your rotted out left wing teeth again. The guns were not "legally" purchased. They were illegally sold. You can't even get simple facts here straight and you expect anyone to take you seriously? Good God, you're delusional. This was an illegal operation top to bottom that lead to the death of an American....and many other atrocities by violent criminals. The question is how much did Holder....and even Obama know about it? And why was Holder trying to silence whistleblowers? It was a DOJ operation and the buck stopped with Holder. Obama claimed executive privilege and Holder refused to turn over documents to Congress which were subpoenaed. Only after 8 months of Holder refusing to comply did Congress finally move to hold him in contempt. Facts matter. Left wing psychosis does not.



I'll help you out here a little bit, left wing pea brain:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/william-barr-vs-eric-holder-a-tale-of-two-attorneys-general/

"Here is the background of the Holder contempt. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), a unit of Holder’s Department of Justice (DOJ), conducted an operation called “Fast & Furious,” intended to track illegal gun sales. In fact it put hundreds of weapons in the hands of Mexican criminal gangs, leading to the death of an American officer. On February 4, 2011, after news of the operation emerged, Holder’s assistant attorney general sent a letter to Congress declaring that the Obama administration had no knowledge of the operation. This letter was false, as Holder later admitted.

A congressional committee wanted to know why it had been misled. BATFE employees leaked to Congress that the department was still suppressing the truth about the operation and retaliating against whistleblowers. The committee wanted to dig into that. It demanded DOJ documents “relating to actions the Department took to silence or retaliate against Fast and Furious whistleblowers,” so that it could determine “what the Department knew about Fast and Furious, including when and how it discovered its February 4 letter was false, and the Department’s efforts to conceal that information from Congress and the public.”

The committee’s first request for documents came early in March of 2011. The department did not comply with the request. On March 31, the committee issued its first subpoena. Again the department failed to comply. Over the next six months, the committee held a series of hearings, and Holder eventually admitted that the Fast & Furious operation had been “fundamentally flawed” and that DOJ’s February 4 letter denying administration knowledge was “inaccurate.”

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Now are you going to explain why left wing scumbags should be taken seriously on this issue....or any issue.....when they will completely flip and do a 180 degree switch of their basic principles depending on the person being targeted? Nancy Pelosi's "constitutional crisis" now was Nancy Pelosi's "ridiculous thing" back then. These are not people who want justice and fight for that which is true and factual. It's sick, it's evil, and it's something any honest American would utterly reject. No person with integrity could or would treat these two situations so differently. That's why America needs to reject this left wing scourge.

The documents Issa had subpoenaed were specifically email between Holder and Obama and were all in the period after February 4th, 2011. They were not documents that were transmitted between DOJ and ATF while Fast and Furious was in operation. Those had all been turned over to the committee.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/370605-attorney-generals-letter-requesting-executive.html

 

[Mick]

The documents Issa had subpoenaed were specifically email between Holder and Obama and were all in the period after February 4th, 2011. They were not documents that were transmitted between DOJ and ATF while Fast and Furious was in operation. Those had all been turned over to the committee.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/370605-attorney-generals-letter-requesting-executive.html

Here you go again. Claiming corrupt Democrats in office get to decide what is relevant and what isn't when they get a subpoena from Congress. Republicans don't get that same standard applied. Clown.

Are you going to just acknowledge that your leaders are corrupt, hypocritical, and will take any position that will benefit them politically......even if it requires doing a 180 on something they said they felt strongly about? As such, nothing they say can be taken credibly because their agenda is politics and not truth and justice.

 

[middleview]

Here you go again. Claiming corrupt Democrats in office get to decide what is relevant and what isn't when they get a subpoena from Congress. Republicans don't get that same standard applied. Clown.

Are you going to just acknowledge that your leaders are corrupt, hypocritical, and will take any position that will benefit them politically......even if it requires doing a 180 on something they said they felt strongly about? As such, nothing they say can be taken credibly because their agenda is politics and not truth and justice.

So let's look at corrupt administrations, shall we?
Nixon...both Nixon and Agnew forced to resign to avoid prison. 69 appointees indicted, 48 convictions.

Carter....zip

Reagan: 26 indictments, 16 convictions...HW Pardoned a bunch, so this is a low number.

HW Bush: Only one.

Clinton: 3 indictments, 2 convictions.

"W": 1 indictment, 1 conviction

Obama: zero.

Trump: (so far) 7 indictments, 6 convictions.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/18/1796668/-UPDATED-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-felony-arrests-and-convictions-as-of-9-17-2018

I think the president should be able to communicate with his AG as privileged communication. You seem to think that the president should be able to redact any incriminating information produced as a result of a DOJ investigation. I disagree.
I understand that some info in the Mueller report may have to do with Grand Jury testimony or with ongoing prosecutions, but that can be dealt was as any other information made available to Congress by the White House and does not have to result in public release of the info.

 

[marvin martian]

so the fact is, you lied. Holder did not sell guns to anyone. The ATF, same group responsible for Wide Receiver, allowed sales to suspected straw buyers...they were legal sales....so the guns could be tracked to the cartel buyers. No evidence exists that either Holder or Obama authorized it.

That's why we need a full investigation of both Holder and Obama.

 

[Mick]

So let's look at corrupt administrations, shall we?
Nixon...both Nixon and Agnew forced to resign to avoid prison. 69 appointees indicted, 48 convictions.

Carter....zip

Reagan: 26 indictments, 16 convictions...HW Pardoned a bunch, so this is a low number.

HW Bush: Only one.

Clinton: 3 indictments, 2 convictions.

"W": 1 indictment, 1 conviction

Obama: zero.

Trump: (so far) 7 indictments, 6 convictions.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/9/18/1796668/-UPDATED-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-felony-arrests-and-convictions-as-of-9-17-2018

Just off the top of my head I know that Gregory Craig, David Paetrus, and Michael Flynn from the Obama administration were indicted. Who knows how many others. That number clearly is not zero. As for the Trump administration the only one I'm aware of is Michael Flynn. The fact is you are taking information from left wing propaganda sites and just regurgitating it as if it is factual. You simply are not intelligent enough to actually research what you are reading. It takes a very low IQ person to take an article that says Obama had zero indictments when his own counsel was indicted just a couple weeks ago. Jesus Christ, man. ROFL. This is the type of propaganda and low IQ sewage we get that produces things like "Kavanaugh is a serial rapist" or "hands, up don't shoot happened" or Jussie Smollett was "beaten up by MAGA hat racists" or Buzzfeed "has evidence Trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress". Thanks for humiliating yourself.

And efforts to derail the conversation failed miserably right there as this had nothing to do with the discussion. Don't you feel like another left wing putz?

I think the president should be able to communicate with his AG as privileged communication. You seem to think that the president should be able to redact any incriminating information produced as a result of a DOJ investigation. I disagree.

Stop trying to make excuses. Either delivering a contempt charge to an AG that ignores subpoenas is a "Constitutional crisis" or it's "ridiculous". It cannot be both. You and your evil, disgusting, corrupt ilk think it can be both based solely upon whether the AG is a Democrat or a Republican and whether it's a Democrat majority or a Republican majority giving the subpoena. That's sick, it's evil, and any decent, honest American would utterly reject it. So why are still refusing to reject it? I think we know.

 

[middleview]

Just off the top of my head I know that Gregory Craig, David Paetrus, and Michael Flynn from the Obama administration were indicted. Who knows how many others. That number clearly is not zero. As for the Trump administration the only one I'm aware of is Michael Flynn. The fact is you are taking information from left wing propaganda sites and just regurgitating it as if it is factual. You simply are not intelligent enough to actually research what you are reading. It takes a very low IQ person to take an article that says Obama had zero indictments when his own counsel was indicted just a couple weeks ago. Jesus Christ, man. ROFL. This is the type of propaganda and low IQ sewage we get that produces things like "Kavanaugh is a serial rapist" or "hands, up don't shoot happened" or Jussie Smollett was "beaten up by MAGA hat racists" or Buzzfeed "has evidence Trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress". Thanks for humiliating yourself.

And efforts to derail the conversation failed miserably right there as this had nothing to do with the discussion. Don't you feel like another left wing putz?





Stop trying to make excuses. Either delivering a contempt charge to an AG that ignores subpoenas is a "Constitutional crisis" or it's "ridiculous". It cannot be both. You and your evil, disgusting, corrupt ilk think it can be both based solely upon whether the AG is a Democrat or a Republican and whether it's a Democrat majority or a Republican majority giving the subpoena. That's sick, it's evil, and any decent, honest American would utterly reject it. So why are still refusing to reject it? I think we know.

Why lie? The guy indicted was not in the administration when the alleged crime took place. Petreus was not in the administration. Flynn was not indicted based on anything he did before he joine the Trump gang.

 

[Mick]

Why lie? The guy indicted was not in the administration when the alleged crime took place. Petreus was not in the administration. Flynn was not indicted based on anything he did before he joine the Trump gang.

So, now the standard is the crime has to take place only WHILE being a member of the administration or working for the President? So do George Papadopolous, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Roger Stone get held to the same standard because of charges for crimes that had nothing to do with the campaign or while working for the campaign? You're alt-left propaganda site make two standards and you just regurgitated it. LOL. And now Obama appointed CIA directors don't apply to the "Obama administration" but Roger Stone who never held any position at all in the Trump campaign, transition, or administration does? You really are a demented left wing stooge. You aren't intelligent enough to see the two different standards you are applying here.

Now stop deflecting to this nonsense you desperate mofo. You going to call out your ilk for evil and hypocrisy for their differing standards on giving out contempt charges or not?

 

[middleview]

So, now the standard is the crime has to take place only WHILE being a member of the administration or working for the President? So do George Papadopolous, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Roger Stone get held to the same standard because of charges for crimes that had nothing to do with the campaign or while working for the campaign? You're alt-left propaganda site make two standards and you just regurgitated it. LOL. And now Obama appointed CIA directors don't apply to the "Obama administration" but Roger Stone who never held any position at all in the Trump campaign, transition, or administration does? You really are a demented left wing stooge. You aren't intelligent enough to see the two different standards you are applying here.

Now stop deflecting to this nonsense you desperate mofo. You going to call out your ilk for evil and hypocrisy for their differing standards on giving out contempt charges or not?

feel free to look into why Papodopolus and Stone are in trouble. Manafort and the rest just show Trump surrounded himself with tax cheats and crooks.

 

[Mick]

feel free to look into why Papodopolus and Stone are in trouble.

Yes, Papadopolous made a false statement to an FBI agent in FEBRUARY 2017. You know, long AFTER the campaign and long AFTER he had worked for Trump. That was his ONLY wrongdoing. Stone got in legal trouble for some of his comments and actioins with regards to Congress in SEPTEMBER 2017. A year after the campaign. Neither one of them worked for the administration.....and only Papadopolous worked for the campaign. His law breaking occurred long AFTER that.

Are you hell bent on making yourself look stupid? You must be. You just proved me right. Lulz

Manafort and the rest just show Trump surrounded himself with tax cheats and crooks.

When he hired Manafort there was no charge against him so why lie about it? When some of it starting coming out Manafort was removed from the campaign in August 2016. Stop with the lies and spin.

Look, I understand you are in desperate need to lie here. Your ilk have had two different standards. One that says Republican AG's who ignore subpoenas(even if he has to legally) should be held in contempt and one that says that Democratic AG's who simply just do not want to comply should not. You know that's evil shit and it's wrong and you are scrambling so you moved on to the next lie (about Obama having no indictments) as a cover. You are thoroughly beaten down now on all fronts. Lick your wounds, admit you're just another left wing tool that just beats to the drum of what your masters say and move on. You are only making it worse on yourself. God damn, beating down lefties is easy. You fools are so easily duped by ANYTHING. Lulz

 

[middleview]

Yes, Papadopolous made a false statement to an FBI agent in FEBRUARY 2017. You know, long AFTER the campaign and long AFTER he had worked for Trump. That was his ONLY wrongdoing. Stone got in legal trouble for some of his comments and actioins with regards to Congress in SEPTEMBER 2017. A year after the campaign. Neither one of them worked for the administration.....and only Papadopolous worked for the campaign. His law breaking occurred long AFTER that.

Are you hell bent on making yourself look stupid? You must be. You just proved me right. Lulz



When he hired Manafort there was no charge against him so why lie about it? When some of it starting coming out Manafort was removed from the campaign in August 2016. Stop with the lies and spin.

Look, I understand you are in desperate need to lie here. Your ilk have had two different standards. One that says Republican AG's who ignore subpoenas(even if he has to legally) should be held in contempt and one that says that Democratic AG's who simply just do not want to comply should not. You know that's evil shit and it's wrong and you are scrambling so you moved on to the next lie (about Obama having no indictments) as a cover. You are thoroughly beaten down now on all fronts. Lick your wounds, admit you're just another left wing tool that just beats to the drum of what your masters say and move on. You are only making it worse on yourself. God damn, beating down lefties is easy. You fools are so easily duped by ANYTHING. Lulz

Your going to hurt yourself bending over backwards like that.

Papadopolous was being investigated for something he did while working for the campaign. He lied about it. Now you want to say that since he lied after the campaign was over it doesn't count. Stone lied after the campaign about what he did during the campaign....

Longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone was arrested in connection with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation early Friday morning at his home in Florida. He was indicted for obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering. You can read the full indictment at this link.

The charges focus on Stone’s alleged lies to the House Intelligence Committee during 2017 about his statements about and efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign. The indictment also conspicuously mentions that “a senior Trump campaign official was directed to contact Stone” about what WikiLeaks might have on Hillary Clinton.

Meanwhile you want to argue about Craig who was indicted for advising the government of Ukraine, long after he'd been in the Obama administration and about not reporting his work as if he were a lobbyist for Ukraine.

I'm not sure how advice on a legal matter becomes lobbying. Seems to me this will go nowhere. In any case he left the Obama administration in 2010.

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a "political or quasi-political capacity" disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate "evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons." The law is administered by the FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act

 

[middleview]

So, now the standard is the crime has to take place only WHILE being a member of the administration or working for the President? So do George Papadopolous, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, and Roger Stone get held to the same standard because of charges for crimes that had nothing to do with the campaign or while working for the campaign? You're alt-left propaganda site make two standards and you just regurgitated it. LOL. And now Obama appointed CIA directors don't apply to the "Obama administration" but Roger Stone who never held any position at all in the Trump campaign, transition, or administration does? You really are a demented left wing stooge. You aren't intelligent enough to see the two different standards you are applying here.

Now stop deflecting to this nonsense you desperate mofo. You going to call out your ilk for evil and hypocrisy for their differing standards on giving out contempt charges or not?

Holder was served with a subpoena for email between the DOJ and the president which were sent and received long after Fast and Furious was shut down. It was the Obama administration's position that communication between the AG and the president was covered under executive privilege.

Barr is refusing a subpoena for the documented results of an investigation and Trump is claiming executive privilege.

You want to claim they are the same thing. They are not, any more than your conversation with your lawyer enjoys the same legal status as mine with my bartender.

 

[Mick]

Your going to hurt yourself bending over backwards like that.

Papadopolous was being investigated for something he did while working for the campaign. He lied about it. Now you want to say that since he lied after the campaign was over it doesn't count.

When Papadopolous joined the campaign he had committed no crimes. While he worked for the campaign he committed no crimes. Long after the campaign was over he made a false statement and that's what he was charged with. What he lied about is immaterial because nothing he was talking about was criminal. He was not charged with any wrongdoing while with the campaign. I never said anything about it "counting" or "not counting". You're the one that said it "counted" while trying to defend Craig by saying he done illegal things AFTER working with Obama so it "doesn't count". I'm calling you on your nasty, pathetic hypocritical standard and that pisses you off. If you are going to blame Trump for what some low level volunteer on his campaign did in a private visit with an FBI long after the campaign there is no way in hell you can't nail Obama for his legal counsel getting indicted. Do you even realize how dumb you look? Lulz

 

[Mick]

Holder was served with a subpoena for email between the DOJ and the president which were sent and received long after Fast and Furious was shut down. It was the Obama administration's position that communication between the AG and the president was covered under executive privilege.

Barr is refusing a subpoena for the documented results of an investigation and Trump is claiming executive privilege.

You want to claim they are the same thing. They are not, any more than your conversation with your lawyer enjoys the same legal status as mine with my bartender.

It wasn't ONE email. It was all the internal discussions that Congress wanted because the administration had lied about what they knew. Congress wanted to get to the bottom of it. And the "Obama administration's position" is valid but the "Trump administration's position" is not? LOL. Still trying to create two standards our low IQ'd left wing dunce?

Face it. If we are going to say one administration's position is valid but another isn't that is hypocritical. Your leaders are nasty, disgusting, and evil. They cannot be trusted because they'll flip based upon the political party in charge. Therefore, any rhetoric they dish must be immediately dismissed. It doesn't come from truth. It comes from corruption, politics, and spin. This latest episode has left no doubt to who and what Democrats stand for. And it's not for the truth.

 

[middleview]

It wasn't ONE email. It was all the internal discussions that Congress wanted because the administration had lied about what they knew. Congress wanted to get to the bottom of it. And the "Obama administration's position" is valid but the "Trump administration's position" is not? LOL. Still trying to create two standards our low IQ'd left wing dunce?

Face it. If we are going to say one administration's position is valid but another isn't that is hypocritical. Your leaders are nasty, disgusting, and evil. They cannot be trusted because they'll flip based upon the political party in charge. Therefore, any rhetoric they dish must be immediately dismissed. It doesn't come from truth. It comes from corruption, politics, and spin. This latest episode has left no doubt to who and what Democrats stand for. And it's not for the truth.

It wasn't ONE email. It was all the internal discussions that Congress wanted because the administration had lied about what they knew. Congress wanted to get to the bottom of it. And the "Obama administration's position" is valid but the "Trump administration's position" is not? LOL. Still trying to create two standards our low IQ'd left wing dunce?

Face it. If we are going to say one administration's position is valid but another isn't that is hypocritical. Your leaders are nasty, disgusting, and evil. They cannot be trusted because they'll flip based upon the political party in charge. Therefore, any rhetoric they dish must be immediately dismissed. It doesn't come from truth. It comes from corruption, politics, and spin. This latest episode has left no doubt to who and what Democrats stand for. And it's not for the truth.

where did I post it was one email?

 

[middleview]

When Papadopolous joined the campaign he had committed no crimes. While he worked for the campaign he committed no crimes. Long after the campaign was over he made a false statement and that's what he was charged with. What he lied about is immaterial because nothing he was talking about was criminal. He was not charged with any wrongdoing while with the campaign. I never said anything about it "counting" or "not counting". You're the one that said it "counted" while trying to defend Craig by saying he done illegal things AFTER working with Obama so it "doesn't count". I'm calling you on your nasty, pathetic hypocritical standard and that pisses you off. If you are going to blame Trump for what some low level volunteer on his campaign did in a private visit with an FBI long after the campaign there is no way in hell you can't nail Obama for his legal counsel getting indicted. Do you even realize how dumb you look? Lulz

There was a pattern of extensive contacts with the Russian government. There was evidence that Papadopolous was told the Russians had email from the DNC and he did not report it. Instead, after the campaign was over and an investigation was under way, he lied.
"Blame Trump"? No. Show the post where I blamed him. Do his actions during and immediately after the campaign count against Trump? Yes. He lied about his actions during the campaign.

Two years after leaving the Obama administration you want to blame Obama for an individual having provided legal advice to Ukraine but didn't register as a lobbyist for that government? Seems like a bogus charge and certainly unrelated to the administration.

PS. For me to be "pissed off" I'd have to be more than indifferent to you and your opinion of me.

 

[Mick]

where did I post it was one email?

You said "email". That can be interpreted multiple ways. But it's irrelevant. You are claiming the Obama administration can decide what they want to turn over to Congress when subpoenaed while the Trump administration cannot (and this doesn't even address the point of legality which states Barr would be breaking the law doing so).

That which is "Constitutional crisis" right now was worth walking out of Congress to protest before based simply on ONE thing. That is the political leanings of the individual ignoring the subpoena. That makes this people inherently corrupt. They aren't after truth. They are after politics. Anything they say must be viewed under that lens. What is the truth is the truth and our leaders should stand up for regardless of the political leanings. Democrats have proven their corruption.

"Blame Trump"? No. Show the post where I blamed him. Do his actions during and immediately after the campaign count against Trump? Yes. He lied about his actions during the campaign.

I don't know if your low IQ blocks your ability to think straight or you are just blinded by your partisan left wing hate. What Papadopolous lied about is irrelevant. When Papadopolous left the campaign he had committed no crimes. Long after the campaign in an interview with an FBI agent he made a false statement. Now the charge wasn't campaign related. It was lie related. If Papadopolous had told agents he was in New York the day before but had really been in Los Angeles that could have brought the same charge. Doesn't mean he committed a crime in either place. The crime is the lie.

Please tell us that you aren't this dumb? Jesus Christ, man. You claimed Obama had no indictments and the fact is his own legal counsel is likely going to prison. You regurgitated left wing propaganda that said Obama had no indictments because you weren't intelligent enough to even research it. Low IQ fool.

Lulz