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How Small of a Minority could Win the Electoral College?

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by ObamacareForever, Jul 8, 2019.

  1. ObamacareForever

    ObamacareForever Governor

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    Regions don't have interests. The people inside those regions have interests. Regions don't vote, the people living inside them have interests.
    First there are democrats literally everywhere. They don't just reside in New York and LA.
    And secondly every new yorkers vote would be equally as important as a rural american. Regions don't vote, people do. We should stop pretending that someplace with 100 people is as important as some place with 100,000 people. The places are what matter, its the people that matter.
     
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  2. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    How is the House of Representatives keeping Trump from enforcing the law on illegal immigrants voting?
     
  3. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    How many voters do you think voted democrat in LA or NYC? Was it more than 60 million? Was it a million?

    Trump won Pa, Michigan and Wisconsin by less than 1% in each state. Somehow you equate that to a state having a voice. It gets even worse when you consider just how many people voted.

    There are 8.5 million registered voters in a population of 12.8 million people. Trump got 2.9 million votes, but you pretend that the 25% of the population spoke for all the rest and therefore got 100% of the 20 electors.
     
  4. Emily

    Emily NSDAP Kanzler

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    Word games. You know what I meant.

    Enough Democrats reside in the LA and NYC regions that, in a two-way election determined by popular vote, the Democrat will always win. You know that.

    Nothing in our present system makes small population centers as important as large population centers. The present system allows small population centers to have an impact on the outcome. You know that. The majority of people in the smaller population centers don't always vote the way you want them to; the majority in the large ones always do. Your desire is to effectively disenfranchise those who don't always vote as you want them to.

    We were never supposed to be voting for the POTUS in the first place. The foolishness of doing so is plainly apparent.
     
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  5. ObamacareForever

    ObamacareForever Governor

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    geographic location shouldn't make people's vote more important than others.
    One person, one vote, no matter where you live.
     
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  6. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich President

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    Yes, why is appealing to big, almost empty sections of the countryside where a small, homogeneous population lives considered broader appeal than appealing to the diverse majority that lives in the cities?
     
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  7. EatTheRich

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    Well, it’s the one percenters who control the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and every government in the U.S. So if the masses are suffering they are responsible.

    Red states have higher rates of welfare use than the national average. They are more reliant on aid from Washington. They have higher poverty rates. 97% of the poorest counties in the U.S. are in red states. Red states have higher crime rates.
    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...e-97-nations-100-poorest-counties-red-states/
    https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/
    https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...poorest-states-democrats-contr-1829948803/amp
    https://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/
     
  8. EatTheRich

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    No, it’s not even close to true. Collectively they have barely 10% of the voting population.
     
  9. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Again...how many democrats do you think live in LA and NYC? Over 120 million people voted in 2016. Do a majority of them live in cities? No. It is a slim majority (3 million) who voted for Clinton over Trump.

    How that becomes a mob rule environment is beyond me. Why do you think no other election is done with an Electoral College kind of deal? Why don't we elect governors that way? Each Zip code gets one elector. How about senators? Is it fair that 100,000 voters in Denver can decide who the senator is and just ignore the 9o,000 voters who live in the eastern plains? How about 1 elector for every 10,000 square miles.

    Or maybe the point is that every single voter has interests and if they care about elections they vote those interests. In some cases their interests are the same as voters in LA or NYC and sometimes they aren't....SO WHAT!
     
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    EatTheRich President

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    To many conservatives, “LA and NYC” is code for Blacks, Latinos, Jews, Asians, and gays. Who must be silenced by any means necessary.
     
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  11. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    The New York County is about 500,000 voters. If you care to go county by county...

    https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-york/

    Los Angeles was about 2.4 million for Hillary and 750,000 for Trump.

    There were about 125 million votes cast in 2016.
     
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  12. Spamature

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    Excuse me ? Right wing policies created the opiate epidemic and it is THE WORST in Republican Trump voting states. The map I posted shows you that.




    Let make that poverty you speak of relative.

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    You noted NY and Hawaii having higher rate. I suppose you'd call those great states shite holes too. Now take your tiny mind and try to figure out exactly why it might be that is is easier to become homeless in these states than it is in the right wing rabble states where the Calif minimum wage gets you a place that would cost about $3000+/ month if you are lucky in LA.




    Look the fact that the GOP is famous for sucking **** for political donations from the wealthy is well known. Sure a lot of ultra people love to put your party on their knees and have their knob gobbled while the mindless rabble rounding out the vast majority in that party sucks down mayonnaise sandwiches after a hard day scratching in the dirt in red states. While the party leaders laugh at them behind their backs for buying into their hokum the way you have bought into it.

    But that is not the case here.

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    I hope this put your ****ing LIE to rest and you quit repeating it.


    They barely have budgets. What is there to pay for in SD and NB ? Wind blown rocks and mind numbing vast emptiness ? Also You could add all of those state budget together and they wouldn't equal Calif 's. I just showed you, you magnificent genius, that California has a $21 billion surplus.

    Quality of life ?

    The top 13 most polluted states are RED

    Bottom 10 state for healthcare are RED

    In fact the bottom states period are all RED


    Also those illegal aliens work harder than any two red staters put together. Just look what happen to the harvest when some of your red state idiots try to drive them off. They couldn't find locals who would do that backbreaking labor.

    This was another beat down on clown town.
    Thanks for the opportunity to hand it out.

    Lulz
     
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  13. Spamature

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    Is that your excuse ?

    Meh....
     
  14. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    Why didn't the founding fathers do it that way? You don't know, do you?

    Learning how our system works and explaining why you think it should change in the context of how it works would be a lot more effective than spouting off inane political rhetoric.

    I'll give you a hint. You believe in a central government. You believe States are lines on maps and it'd be cool one day to be in every one. That isn't what the Founding Fathers thought. What did the founding fathers think of that?
     
  15. kaz

    kaz Small l libertarian

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    And you're making your arguments based on an unstated assumption about the nature of government. The founding fathers did not share that assumption. What is that assumption you are making? What was the assumption of the founding fathers? You don't know, do you?
     
  16. ObamacareForever

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    They also thought black be should count as 3/5 a person. It really doesn't matter why they thought it a black person was 3/5 of a person or why they thought rural voters were more important than urban ones, what they thought was wrong and it should be fixed.
     
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  17. ObamacareForever

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    You seem to think they were infallible. They were not, they were at least smart enough to know that which is why they gave us a system for amending the constitution and fixing their dumbass mistakes.
     
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  18. kaz

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    I'm just laughing my ass off. You don't know anything about history other than what fake news spoon fed you.

    Yeah, when the founding fathers sat down and designed our government, they did it based on how to count black people. That's as much as you understand, isn't it?

    Seriously, you were obviously government educated, as if they educate you in government schools. Don't you want more for your kids than the shitty non-education you got in government schools? All you learned to do is like Christian schools do to their kids. They learned to love Jesus, you learned to love government. What kind of education is that?
     
  19. kaz

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    Kaz: You don't know the principles the founding fathers used in designing the country

    ObamacareForever: Oh, that means you think they are infallable!!!!

    That's just stupid. It's a non-sequitur on multiple levels.

    I asked you why they created a House and Senate the way they did, and you don't know. You have a vague idea about the House and none at all about the Senate. The rest is you deflecting, running and hiding.

    What were they trying to do?
     
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  20. kaz

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    I'm taking off for a week of vacation now and I'm sure not delaying it for you. So I'll tell you the answer.

    You believe in a central government where the Federal government has all the power. States only have the powers the Federal government decides to allow them to have. If one accepts your assumption, your arguments are reasonable.

    However, that isn't the principle our government was founded on. We were founded on distributed government. Most power was to be held by the States. The Federal government provided defense. Most government should be local.

    The feds were balanced. The House based on population, the Senate by number of States. Either can block the other. It was to limit Federal power for the States.

    It's incredible you don't know any of this. What did you do during civics class in high school? Anyway, for now, see ya!
     

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