How to undo what's been done...

[PhilFish]

Just need enough to enact the legislation

k. from everyone though..

 

[ObamacareForever]

k. from everyone though..

Na, just enough to get to 51% in the house, 61% in the Senate and 100% of the president.

 

[PhilFish]

Na, just enough to get to 51% in the house, 61% in the Senate and 100% of the president.

yup...back to huge gap.

 

[ObamacareForever]

yup...back to huge gap.

That's a far smaler gap than the 1 person it took to declare a national emergency in order to steal funds to build a wall.

 

[PhilFish]

That's a far smaler gap than the 1 person it took to declare a national emergency in order to steal funds to build a wall.

tangent..?

what wall... no?

 

[ObamacareForever]

tangent..?

you want the ability to opt of paying for M4a, and I want the ability to opt out of funding the wall... If only it worked that way.

what wall... no?

What wall funding.... yes?

 

[PhilFish]

you want the ability to opt of paying for M4a, and I want the ability to opt out of funding the wall... If only it worked that way.

What wall funding.... yes?

I dont follow.

My position: if we want MC4A..... then everyone will pay...but dint of higher taxes. not the top 1, 3, or 5%.... all.

if it's a 5% tax increase across the board to do so...do so.

 

[Drumcollie]

The polarization is a symptom of the ruling capitalists’ despair ... none of the capitalist factions can solve the deep crisis of American capitalism ... therefore they lash out at each other in their scramble to find scapegoats and to plunder the corpse of the capitalist system ... the only solution is a viable social system (socialism).

That just set us back thirty years..

Where has real socialism worked?

 

[ObamacareForever]

I dont follow.

My position: if we want MC4A..... then everyone will pay...but dint of higher taxes. not the top 1, 3, or 5%.... all.

if it's a 5% tax increase across the board to do so...do so.

Yes, I agree M4A for will be paid for by everyone.
Healthcare represents 18% of GDP, subtract the third of that is already paid in medicare/medicaid taxes. and you are looking at an across the board tax increase of about 12% before we make any assumptions about cost containments. Employers pay half of FICA taxes and I assume that would stay the same. So I agree, 5% is a decent ballpark figure.

 

[ObamacareForever]

That just set us back thirty years..

Where has real socialism worked?

social security, medicare, medicaid. food stamps.

 

[SW48]

Yes, I agree M4A for will be paid for by everyone.
Healthcare represents 18% of GDP, subtract the third of that is already paid in medicare/medicaid taxes. and you are looking at an across the board tax increase of 12% before we make any assumptions about cost containments.

Name a program that the government does more cost efficient then the private sector?

I worked at DFAS the military accounting division and I can tell you there is nothing the US Government does efficiently.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Name a program that the government does more cost efficient then the private sector?

I worked at DFAS the military accounting division and I can tell you there is nothing the US Government does efficiently.

Medicare and the post office for starters.

 

[Drumcollie]

social security, medicare, medicaid. food stamps.

Social Security...Is going bankrupt and your money paid for someone else retirement. What you put in you won't get out.

Medicare and Medicaid..
Is Medicare Failing? When Will it go Bankrupt?
https://www.georgia-medicareplans.com/is-medicare-failing
Jun 03, 2013 · The rosiest outlook for Medicare is that it will remain solvent until 2026, but others say Medicare is failing and the well will run dry as soon as 2016. Funding for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security was 4.3% of GDP in 1971 but has ballooned to 10.1% in 2011 with Medicare …

Food Stamps:https://www.justharvest.org/advocacy/the-truth-about-snap-food-stamps/
You have to stay poor...Who wants that?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Social Security...Is going bankrupt and your money paid for someone else retirement. What you put in you won't get out.

Medicare and Medicaid..
Is Medicare Failing? When Will it go Bankrupt?
https://www.georgia-medicareplans.com/is-medicare-failing
Jun 03, 2013 · The rosiest outlook for Medicare is that it will remain solvent until 2026, but others say Medicare is failing and the well will run dry as soon as 2016. Funding for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security was 4.3% of GDP in 1971 but has ballooned to 10.1% in 2011 with Medicare …

Food Stamps:https://www.justharvest.org/advocacy/the-truth-about-snap-food-stamps/
You have to stay poor...Who wants that?

All those problems are easily solvable.

 

[PhilFish]

Yes, I agree M4A for will be paid for by everyone.
Healthcare represents 18% of GDP, subtract the third of that is already paid in medicare/medicaid taxes. and you are looking at an across the board tax increase of about 12% before we make any assumptions about cost containments. Employers pay half of FICA taxes and I assume that would stay the same. So I agree, 5% is a decent ballpark figure.

no refunds.

 

[ObamacareForever]

no refunds.

And its still a bargain compared to what we got now.

 

[PhilFish]

And its still a bargain compared to what we got now.

doubt anyone will go for it.

 

[Dawg]

That's a far smaler gap than the 1 person it took to declare a national emergency in order to steal funds to build a wall.

Senate failed to override the Veto

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-senate-fails-to-override-trumps-veto-on-its-national-emergency-resolution/ar-AAIWlf9?ocid=spartandhp

Dream On

 

[Dawg]

Yes, I agree M4A for will be paid for by everyone.
Healthcare represents 18% of GDP, subtract the third of that is already paid in medicare/medicaid taxes. and you are looking at an across the board tax increase of about 12% before we make any assumptions about cost containments. Employers pay half of FICA taxes and I assume that would stay the same. So I agree, 5% is a decent ballpark figure.

How will "everyone" pay for it when "everyone" doesn't pay Income taxes? Hell, many get more back than they paid in Income taxes and Poke is $34 Trillion short of funding it.

 

[Dawg]

social security, medicare, medicaid. food stamps.

SS/Medicare isn't FREE, paid for from every pay check received for 50+ years and still paying for it each paycheck because I refuse to retire...……..

Medicaid and food stamps are FREE, it's why progs and low lifes lust for it.