How to undo what's been done...

[Dawg]

Medicare and the post office for starters.

USPS is $billions in the RED
employee's are postal and watched by inspectors like hawks watch chickens

 

[ObamacareForever]

How will "everyone" pay for it when "everyone" doesn't pay Income taxes? Hell, many get more back than they paid in Income taxes and Poke is $34 Trillion short of funding it.

Nobody gets their FICA taxes back.

 

[Dawg]

Nobody gets their FICA taxes back.

Where did I post such? You sure dodged your "everyone" pays BS, did you forget what you posted?

Strange, I have been getting some I paid into FICA back for 5 years...…………….SS monthly check

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Name a program that the government does more cost efficient then the private sector?

I worked at DFAS the military accounting division and I can tell you there is nothing the US Government does efficiently.

Bad Cop, Good Cop

Agents of the Right make it inefficient on purpose. They pretend to be foolish in order to fool us. There are no Liberals; they are an illusion created by a puppet show.

 

[EatTheRich]

yikes. no.

do note... Socialism is well known to have plunged large parts of the world into a relity of war, depression, fascism....and death.

see: USSR. China, Venezuela, etc...

The USSR put an end to Russia’s involvement in WWI and hastened the end of the war altogether. They posted record economic growth rates while the entire capitalist world was consumed by the Great Depression. China later overtook them to set the new all-time record for annual GDP growth and has not experienced starvation ... a perennial problem in pre-revolution China as it is in capitalist India today ... for more than 50 years. The USSR brought down the regime of Hitler, the most notorious fascist leader in history. Venezuela is and always has been a capitalist country.

 

[PhilFish]

The USSR put an end to Russia’s involvement in WWI and hastened the end of the war altogether. They posted record economic growth rates while the entire capitalist world was consumed by the Great Depression. China later overtook them to set the new all-time record for annual GDP growth and has not experienced starvation ... a perennial problem in pre-revolution China as it is in capitalist India today ... for more than 50 years. The USSR brought down the regime of Hitler, the most notorious fascist leader in history. Venezuela is and always has been a capitalist country.

The demise of the Russian empire and the rise of socialism via the Bolshevik revolution was at a cost oh that minimum 10 million lives, mostly civilians, that excludes the count of deaths that were incurred by the numerous attempts at achieving independence by those Nations that subsequently became satellite states of the then formed Union of Soviet socialist republics. That does not take into account the realized deaths of 20 million, if not more that were incurred when Soviet socialism came into full effect, mainly during the stalinist regime of forced collectivization and resulting famine and starvation. World war II was not won by the Soviet Union alone and the brunt of those deaths were born by the peripheral Nation, Ukraine, when the Soviets took on Nazi Germany on the Eastern front.

That's how you recount it properly, not your glossy version

 

[EatTheRich]

fueled by capitalism.


thanks!

Fueled by labor. Cuba and other socialist states prove that capitalism is unnecessary for providing quality medical care to the general population.

 

[EatTheRich]

That just set us back thirty years..

Where has real socialism worked?

Cuba would be one obvious example.

 

[PhilFish]

Fueled by labor. Cuba and other socialist states prove that capitalism is unnecessary for providing quality medical care to the general population.

Again a falsehood. The old Soviet socialist system was nothing but of the stations of data, masking a poverty of medical Care. The average lifespan at the time being a full 10 years less then other similarly industrialized nations

https://mises.org/library/soviet-medical-nightmare

 

[EatTheRich]

Name a program that the government does more cost efficient then the private sector?

I worked at DFAS the military accounting division and I can tell you there is nothing the US Government does efficiently.

Educate the populace. Maintain roads. Maintain lines of communication. Provide disaster relief. And the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

 

[EatTheRich]

Social Security...Is going bankrupt and your money paid for someone else retirement. What you put in you won't get out.

Medicare and Medicaid..
Is Medicare Failing? When Will it go Bankrupt?
https://www.georgia-medicareplans.com/is-medicare-failing
Jun 03, 2013 · The rosiest outlook for Medicare is that it will remain solvent until 2026, but others say Medicare is failing and the well will run dry as soon as 2016. Funding for Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security was 4.3% of GDP in 1971 but has ballooned to 10.1% in 2011 with Medicare …

Food Stamps:https://www.justharvest.org/advocacy/the-truth-about-snap-food-stamps/
You have to stay poor...Who wants that?

What “going broke” means is that those programs will eventually ... in the future ... pay out more than their funding sources pay in annually, and the shortfall will have to be made up with another revenue source.

 

[EatTheRich]

The demise of the Russian empire and the rise of socialism via the Bolshevik revolution was at a cost oh that minimum 10 million lives, mostly civilians, that excludes the count of deaths that were incurred by the numerous attempts at achieving independence by those Nations that subsequently became satellite states of the then formed Union of Soviet socialist republics. That does not take into account the realized deaths of 20 million, if not more that were incurred when Soviet socialism came into full effect, mainly during the stalinist regime of forced collectivization and resulting famine and starvation. World war II was not won by the Soviet Union alone and the brunt of those deaths were born by the peripheral Nation, Ukraine, when the Soviets took on Nazi Germany on the Eastern front.

That's how you recount it properly, not your glossy version

In other words:

The capitalists and landlords of the Czar’s empire killed millions in an effort to prevent the regime that allowed them to grow fat on exploited labor from falling.

Although Lenin’s government allowed complete self-determination for oppressed minority nations, no questions asked, as the example of Finland showed, it did not allow tiny capitalist cliques in those nations to be used as a beachhead for international imperialism’s efforts to reestablish capitalist domination, and in the course of its self-defense some more people allied with the exploiters were killed by the alliance of the Russian majority with the majorities in Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, etc.

However, after years of counterrevolutionary violence the imperialists succeeded in breaking Lenin’s government and foisting on Russia a counterrevolutionary regime led by Stalin, who reversed Lenin’s socialist course and did his best to undermine a revolution he was unable to overthrow ... then aped the thuggish tactics of the capitalist left to avoid being outflanked by his enemies (supported by imperialism) on the right.

The Nazis and their allies and sympathizers in Ukraine committed notorious atrocities during WWII, but the Soviet Union, despite the “Allies’” refusal to coordinate military strategy with them or to provide more than the bare minimum of weapons or the barest simulacrum of a second front against Germany, and despite the “Allies’” direct intrigues with Germany to undermine the Soviet Union throughout the war, succeeded in bringing down the Hitler regime to the disappointment of right-wingers everywhere.

 

[EatTheRich]

Again a falsehood. The old Soviet socialist system was nothing but of the stations of data, masking a poverty of medical Care. The average lifespan at the time being a full 10 years less then other similarly industrialized nations

https://mises.org/library/soviet-medical-nightmare

Ha! Yet somehow the average lifespan plummeted after capitalism was restored.

The fact that you compared the USSR unfavorably with “similarly industrialized nations” like the U.S., UK, and Japan, and not favorably with nations that were “similarly industrialized” in 1917, like Abyssinia/Ethiopia, Afghanistan, and Bolivia, speaks volumes.

 

[SW48]

Educate the populace. Maintain roads. Maintain lines of communication. Provide disaster relief. And the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

They don't do those things more efficiently then the private sector which was my original question.

 

[PhilFish]

Ha! Yet somehow the average lifespan plummeted after capitalism was restored.

The fact that you compared the USSR unfavorably with “similarly industrialized nations” like the U.S., UK, and Japan, and not favorably with nations that were “similarly industrialized” in 1917, like Abyssinia/Ethiopia, Afghanistan, and Bolivia, speaks volumes.

Oh Jesus. No...you position historically abhorrent examples as though they were some Noble thing. Not.

 

[EatTheRich]

They don't do those things more efficiently then the private sector which was my original question.

So why does it always cost taxpayers more when those jobs are outsourced to private companies that do a worse job (see school vouchers for an example)?

 

[EatTheRich]

Oh Jesus. No...you position historically abhorrent examples as though they were some Noble thing. Not.

No, I pointed out that you moved the goalposts when you compared the Soviet Union to the advanced countries it had started to catch up with rather than the backward countries it was more similar to before the revolution.

 

[FakeName]

it seems to me that we cant even talk. it used to be that we all pretty much agreed on the basic facts we just disagreed about what to do about it.

Nowdays the left and the right do not agree on basic facts.

In my opinion, between Rush Limbaugh types on AM radio, Fox News, and right wing propaganda on the internet the right no longer understands the basic facts and is wholly ensconced in a bubble of "alternative facts" made just for them.

we cannot talk when half the country doesn't understand or will not accept the basic facts.

my hope for the future of this country is that when the truth about Trump, that the rest of the country and world can see, but the right cannot, finally pierces the right wing media bubble, that the right will realize their "news" sources have been lying to them for ages....that they will finally start insisting on facts from their media even when those facts are not what they want to hear.

Cue all the righties saying it is the left that lives in a fact free bubble......but consider this.....why do the fact checkers agree with the left far more than the right?

is it because they are all biased?

or is it that the left has the facts on their side more often?

Think about it.

 

[PhilFish]

No, I pointed out that you moved the goalposts when you compared the Soviet Union to the advanced countries it had started to catch up with rather than the backward countries it was more similar to before the revolution.

No..you drew no parallel. Instead you cited places like Afghanistan which where exploited by Bolshevik influenced...not similar to

 

[TBLee]

There are too many people (especially the Media) who want and actually thrive on the divide. I don't expect it will ever end.

I am growing so tired of the media. There once was a time when the media was respected. It is where you got your updates on the world and all the happenings. Now you cannot trust a word said. Everything has to be taken with a grain of salt as to its truthfulness.