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I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/?tid=pm_pop
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/?tid=pm_pop
A teenager is fatally shot by a police officer; the police are accused of being bloodthirsty, trigger-happy murderers; riots erupt. This, we are led to believe, is the way of things in America.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies.

Working the street, I can’t even count how many times I withstood curses, screaming tantrums, aggressive and menacing encroachments on my safety zone, and outright challenges to my authority. In the vast majority of such encounters, I was able to peacefully resolve the situation without using force. Cops deploy their training and their intuition creatively, and I wielded every trick in my arsenal, including verbal judo, humor, warnings and ostentatious displays of the lethal (and nonlethal) hardware resting in my duty belt. One time, for instance, my partner and I faced a belligerent man who had doused his car with gallons of gas and was about to create a firebomb at a busy mall filled with holiday shoppers. The potential for serious harm to the bystanders would have justified deadly force. Instead, I distracted him with a hook about his family and loved ones, and he disengaged without hurting anyone. Every day cops show similar restraint and resolve incidents that could easily end up in serious injuries or worse.

Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic. We are still learning what transpired between Officer Darren Wilson and Brown, but in most cases it’s less ambiguous — and officers are rarely at fault. When they use force, they are defending their, or the public’s, safety.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

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sounds fairly reasonable to me.
 

afella

Mayor
Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

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sounds fairly reasonable to me.

This is the most important part of his statement. Read it, then reread it. Really let it sink it what he is saying. Officers infringe on peoples constitutional rights daily, because people do not do this more often: "if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you."

That says a lot of the mentality, and that mentality can sink deeper and deeper into the abyss, leading to further and more intrusive violations of our constitutional rights. People have a right to object, bitch, piss, moan, dismiss, and enforce their constitutional rights on officers, as much as officers have aright to enforce laws. As a matter of fact citizens have far more rights than an officer does, as officers sign away some of those rights when becoming a public employee.

Screw this officer and his, "just do what I say" mentality. That is far to dangerous of a line for a free nation to walk.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
This is the most important part of his statement. Read it, then reread it. Really let it sink it what he is saying. Officers infringe on peoples constitutional rights daily, because people do not do this more often: "if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you."

That says a lot of the mentality, and that mentality can sink deeper and deeper into the abyss, leading to further and more intrusive violations of our constitutional rights. People have a right to object, bitch, piss, moan, dismiss, and enforce their constitutional rights on officers, as much as officers have aright to enforce laws. As a matter of fact citizens have far more rights than an officer does, as officers sign away some of those rights when becoming a public employee.

Screw this officer and his, "just do what I say" mentality. That is far to dangerous of a line for a free nation to walk.
you obviously did not really read what he wrote.


No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced.
In the vast majority of such encounters, I was able to peacefully resolve the situation without using force.
Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic.
Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you.
Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?
I underlined the important parts for you.
 

Saladin2

Senator
Supporting Member
I'm a cop don't challenge me?.....Unless of course you are some anti-gubber-mint yahoo in Bunkerville Nevada ...Then you tell law enforcement to go to hell..
 

write on

Senator
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/?tid=pm_pop
A teenager is fatally shot by a police officer; the police are accused of being bloodthirsty, trigger-happy murderers; riots erupt. This, we are led to believe, is the way of things in America.

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed. And while they’re unlikely to defend it quite as loudly during a time of national angst like this one, people who work in law enforcement know they are legally vested with the authority to detain suspects — an authority that must sometimes be enforced. Regardless of what happened with Mike Brown, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is not the cops, but the people they stop, who can prevent detentions from turning into tragedies.

Working the street, I can’t even count how many times I withstood curses, screaming tantrums, aggressive and menacing encroachments on my safety zone, and outright challenges to my authority. In the vast majority of such encounters, I was able to peacefully resolve the situation without using force. Cops deploy their training and their intuition creatively, and I wielded every trick in my arsenal, including verbal judo, humor, warnings and ostentatious displays of the lethal (and nonlethal) hardware resting in my duty belt. One time, for instance, my partner and I faced a belligerent man who had doused his car with gallons of gas and was about to create a firebomb at a busy mall filled with holiday shoppers. The potential for serious harm to the bystanders would have justified deadly force. Instead, I distracted him with a hook about his family and loved ones, and he disengaged without hurting anyone. Every day cops show similar restraint and resolve incidents that could easily end up in serious injuries or worse.

Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic. We are still learning what transpired between Officer Darren Wilson and Brown, but in most cases it’s less ambiguous — and officers are rarely at fault. When they use force, they are defending their, or the public’s, safety.

Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

_________________________________________________________

sounds fairly reasonable to me.
You, and the cop that wrote that article are clueless about the cops in Ferguson...

 

write on

Senator
'Okay, Officer Go-Fvck-Yourself'

yeah, nothing to that, huh.

How do YOU know what went on that might have made the officer raise his weapon? You don't. Neither do I.
The first thing said to that cop as he started walking towards those that were filming him was "My hands are up" after which the cop said, "I will f@cking kill you. Get back."

Didn't you see the other cop there that wasn't at all worried and pushed the cops gun down after he saw what the unhinged cop was doing and said?

You're delusional.
 

afella

Mayor
you obviously did not really read what he wrote.












I underlined the important parts for you.

Ohh I read it. As a matter of fact I do not disagree with some parts of his op-ed. I highlighted THE most important part of what he was saying. Which was, essentially, I am god do as I command. I strongly disagree with that. That creates a sense of overwhelming power in a person, and breeds a break down in the structure of our nation if allowed to persist.


We all know what power does to people, I'll remind you anyway, it corrupts. Then we have a modern police force, who resembles a paramilitary organization, who functions as a vital part of our society with a very important role. They interact constantly on a day to day basis with the citizens of this nation both directly and indirectly. The citizens are suppose to bow, regardless, and do whatever an officer tells them? Fascism much?
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Pugs when white right wing kooks like Cliven Bundy are challenged by law enforcement: Show up with guns! Tell those jack-booted thugs to go home!

Pugs when blacks are harassed and/or shot to death by the police: Just meekly submit and do what you're told!

If that don't say it all, eh?

;-)
 

Guthrie

Mayor
I think these are the same guidelines used by the Nazi in Germany. Especially for Jews.
I was just gonna post that.

This couldn't be more against AMerican values.

Funny coming from Marcus, and others who argue we need guns to protect us from police and the national guard but now advocates there excessive use of force.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
Ohh I read it. As a matter of fact I do not disagree with some parts of his op-ed. I highlighted THE most important part of what he was saying. Which was, essentially, I am god do as I command....
and you completely ignored the operative part...

Sometimes, though, no amount of persuasion or warnings work on a belligerent person; that’s when cops have to use force, and the results can be tragic.
The attitude is are not for everyday situations, where normal people are involved. It is for the specific types of cases that the part I just quoted apply to.

If you are not belligerent or combative right off the get go, its never gonna be an issue for you.

You strike me as exactly the type who would mouth off first, then whine that you got smacked down after becoming aggressive towards a police officer.
 
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