IRP you made the mistake of using the term "Mainstream Economics".... The reality is that Lukey is LESS WELL versed in both Austrian and Marxist economics than you, Wooley or I AS WELL. For example this piece of nonsense: Well if "wealth" is "productive value" (notice how he begs the question of what is wealth) then Lukey's definition of "private sector" INCLUDES the whole of the VA healthcare system All of the National Highway Interstate System Pell grants and other GOVERNMENT funding for education the National Institute of Health were a lot of the basic research for wealth creating biological creations is done The old NASA which invented the microprocessor DARAPA which invented the internet etc. etc. So his notion of "the private sector" is essentially a meaingless one. Notice though how he seeks to define this away Not by demonstrating that the building of a road fails to create wealth, but simply by saying "That's not part of the private sector". And then says IOW his whole line of "economic reasoning" is that Because I say the government cannot create wealth - it cannot create wealth and therefore cannot grow the economy Its as fudanmentally ignorant of the study of how economies works as it gets. Precisely because it is outside the realm of actual ECONOMIC Activity, and purely ideologica.