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I Found Out Why Fact Checkers are So Anti-Trump: It Actually Makes Total Sense

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Mr. Friscus, Sep 12, 2019.

  1. Mr. Friscus

    Mr. Friscus I think, therefore, I poop

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    They rely on media for their "truth". Let's compare how fact-checkers review Joe Biden vs. how they review Donald Trump..

    Joe Biden:
    43% of the verdicts relied in some part on a news article to justify their finding.
    41% of PolitiFact’s sources were media
    11% of the Washington Post’s
    FactCheck.org relied primarily on candidate websites, government information and previous fact checks.​

    Donald Trump
    68% of their Trump verdicts in the last four months have relied upon news reports in some way.
    67% of the Washington Post’s sources being media reports
    60% of Snopes'
    45% of the New York Times’
    30% of FactCheck.org’s
    25% of PolitiFact’s.​

    Across all claims from any source, here's how much they relied at least in part on a news report to justify its verdict,
    91% of Snopes
    81% of PolitiFact
    78% of the Washington Post
    57% of FactCheck.org
    47% of the New York Times​

    In all, 76% of the claims across the five fact-checkers relied in some way on journalism to justify their findings.​

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...eavily_on_media_reports_for_truth_141239.html

    Wow, that really sheds a light on how Fact Checking has become so biased in favor of the left. They rely on a field (journalism and media) that is 90% left to decide what is "true".

    I mean, look at the differences between Biden and Trump.

    I'm not saying it's right.. but it makes sense. It's nice to see someone pop the hood so we can see what's underneath.
     
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  2. ObamacareForever

    ObamacareForever Governor

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    There are not 2 seperate truths. There is one singular truth.

    You are conflating reporting/journalism with editorials.
     
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  3. Mr. Friscus

    Mr. Friscus I think, therefore, I poop

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    Which is why I put it in quotation marks
    There's not much of a difference these days.

    Harvard studies have consistently pointed out the extreme liberal bias in media. The fact that fact checkers are relying on an estate that scores so highly liberal makes the reason for constant odd claims against Trump and Conservatives so clear.

    I mean, a "fact-checker" should stick with.. well.. provable facts. But nowadays, they fact-check opinions.

    Meanwhile, do you see FOX news on that list? Why not? The list DOES have the New York Times, which is basically a communist manifesto these days, the most extreme paper news media in America today.
     
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  4. sensible don

    sensible don Mayor

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    Maybe 99% of the fact checkers are white males, dating back to 1622 ?
     
  5. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich President

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    WhT do you think they should rely on ... tea leaves and chicken entrails?
     
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  6. reason10

    reason10 Mayor

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    The only real fact checker is FoxNews. It merely reports the facts.

    Politifact, Snopes, FactCheck, they are all left wing hacks.
     
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  7. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    can you name even one factcheck, politifact, snopes, AP factcheck, or Washington Post fact check that got anything wrong about how awful trump is, and did not report it accurately and had to clarify it later after some right wing fact checker, if there is such a thing, proved them wrong?

    how is what you are doing, relying on some goofy right wing "fact checker" any different, except you cannot find any examples of any real fact checking source being wrong about Trump and his awful mistakes and lies?

    your copying down what some right winger said about how these fact checkers prove their decisions is superfluous and irrelevant, since most of trump's lies are taken DIRECTLY FROM HIS TWITS AND QUOTES WITH ACCOMPANYING VIDEO....do you really believe Trump is not the biggest liar in this country?
     
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  8. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    In other words, Fact Checkers just provide a Left leaning, biased opinion.
     
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  9. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    fox is the least accurate of all media that has any sizable audience. the viewers who believe fox are the dumbest and most misinformed viewers of any major media. see how that works?

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  10. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    in other words, how would you suggest fact checkers check the quotes and tweets of trump, if not use other media and other verified sources to prove what a liar he is? do you really think they should hire about a thousand people to investigate what other journalists from verified trusted media have already investigated? or to use their own accountants to fact check the official bean counter of this country, the CBO, when they say Trump has led us into a trillion dollar deficit despite a good economy and no large numbers of troops in combat? can you name even one lie or mistake any fact checker has made about what an incompetent psychopathic liar trump is?
     
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  11. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    I guess some need to be show.

    https://www.politifactbias.com
     
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    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    Commondreams ? (Big Old Eye Roll) LOL Maybe look at your sources after your next embarrassing Google Copy and Paste
     
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    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    Correct. And always have been.

    Had all these fact checkers and media outlets who count number of 'lies' had been around and did the same thing even handling to people like Bush or Obama- they might have saved their credibility.

    BUT Now, they know they have a base of basically illiterate media addicts who consume the BS daily. Which makes them money.
     
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  14. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    wow, one example, illinois politifact that is very subjective and not a yes or no question at all!! way to go!! climate change has to do with weather...and like the weather, it is hard to predict EXACTLY when the climate changes caused by global warming, caused by the greenhouse effect, due primarily to the Earth's use of carbon based energy so much in the last century and even more this century, will go over the point of no return. that the droughts and hurricanes and rising oceans and crazy weather patterns that could turn all of this country's richest farmlands into moderate or even below average farmlands that would mean disaster not just for this country, but for the Earth in general, food wise, are not on any kind of strict timetable that anyone can predict within a year or two, but that all actual experts believe will occur IF WE DO NOT MITIGATE CARBON EMISSIONS BY A HUGE PERCENTAGE in the next decade or so. that is what the US representative Casten was saying, and it is mostly true.

    Our ruling
    Casten said that "most climate scientists agree that we only have less than a decade to turn things around or else we’ll be stuck with a ‘worst case scenario’ including rising sea levels, devastating droughts, and worsening famines."

    A 2018 UN climate report determined a significant decrease in carbon emissions by 2030 is necessary in order to keep global temperatures from rising 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels in years to come, and to mitigate even more severe effects of a warming planet. (we have to begin measures NOW within the next decade to keep that 2030 date from occurring with such disastrous temperature increases...get it?)

    Experts told us action taken to decrease emissions in the next decade will be critical. However, they said it’s an oversimplification to suggest we face a hard deadline of a decade to address climate change before crossing a threshold into climate disaster.

    We rate Casten’s claim Mostly True.
     
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    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    llovejim: 'can you name even one lie or mistake any fact checker has made.



    We did. Thanks.
     
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  16. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    you just used a dumb-ass right wing "fact checker." why lie and say fact checkers are all left wing, when if you were honest you would see how many times these fact checkers have said obama was wrong or hillary or sanders or biden? just not nearly as many as trump all put together because trump is the biggest freaking liar in US history...get it?
     
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    no, you didn't. not even very close. and that was about climate change, a very fluid and nebulous topic since it is BASED ON WEATHER PREDICTIONS...i cannot believe you think any predictions even tangentially connected to weather predictions can be 100% accurate!! just for grins, try to prove how they proved trump a goddamn gutless liar when he was not? that should be easy for you since there are over 12,000 examples..get it?
     
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    llovejim: 'can you name even one lie or mistake any fact checker has made.



    We did. Thanks.
     
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  19. The Thinker

    The Thinker Over The Top Abuser

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    Liberal sources find Fox News viewers are less informed. I don't suppose you're bright enough to see the issue with that. LOLOL
     
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  20. EatTheRich

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    You forgot to add, “... by asking them basic questions with easily confirmed, unambiguous answers.”
     
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