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I Found Out Why Fact Checkers are So Anti-Trump: It Actually Makes Total Sense

voyager

4Q2247365
Subject matter has to be reported so it can be fact checked. The report will either be true or false. Fact checkers seem to be anti Trump because he lies even to himself. He is a gold mine of negative fact checking.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Liberal sources find Fox News viewers are less informed. I don't suppose you're bright enough to see the issue with that. LOLOL
no, i did not rely on that!! i took 4 years off work and went door to door and asked people questions about current events, and recorded them, and if the answers were wrong and silly and hilariously stupid, I then found that 95% of the time, they were fox stooges and pretty proud of it. the other 5% of the time, they were under 6 years old.
 

Nostra

Governor
in other words, how would you suggest fact checkers check the quotes and tweets of trump, if not use other media and other verified sources to prove what a liar he is? do you really think they should hire about a thousand people to investigate what other journalists from verified trusted media have already investigated? or to use their own accountants to fact check the official bean counter of this country, the CBO, when they say Trump has led us into a trillion dollar deficit despite a good economy and no large numbers of troops in combat? can you name even one lie or mistake any fact checker has made about what an incompetent psychopathic liar trump is?
Spending originates in the House.

The deficit is Nanny Pelosi's.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
fox is the least accurate of all media that has any sizable audience. the viewers who believe fox are the dumbest and most misinformed viewers of any major media. see how that works?

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An even newer study has shown that all sources of information, cited by Lib morons on political discussion forums, are lies and bullshit generated by other morons who are almost as ignorant as the morons who cite their lies and bullshit.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
in other words, how would you suggest fact checkers check the quotes and tweets of trump, if not use other media and other verified sources to prove what a liar he is? do you really think they should hire about a thousand people to investigate what other journalists from verified trusted media have already investigated? or to use their own accountants to fact check the official bean counter of this country, the CBO, when they say Trump has led us into a trillion dollar deficit despite a good economy and no large numbers of troops in combat? can you name even one lie or mistake any fact checker has made about what an incompetent psychopathic liar trump is?
I would suggest they keep their lying mouths shut because nothing thay say is true.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Spending originates in the House.

The deficit is Nanny Pelosi's.
the deficit is nanny pelosi's!! wow. such a copout. the repubs own the senate and the presidential clown circus. we have to fund money to run the country, to protect our country, to just exist as the leading force for democracy in the world, and to do our constitutional duty to provide for the common defense and general welfare.

do you really think Pelosi or any democrat wanted to cut taxes primarily for the rich, who are doing so well in any historical perspective, and for big companies, who are also historically profitable? when the democrats clearly said such tax cuts would destroy our budget, would lead to a return of trillion dollar deficits AND IT HAS.

why not admit the truth? you can do this!! pretend you are not a trump voter!!
 

llovejim

Current Champion
An even newer study has shown that all sources of information, cited by Lib morons on political discussion forums, are lies and bullshit generated by other morons who are almost as ignorant as the morons who cite their lies and bullshit.
source? that sounds like something some fox viewer might say, or someone who believes trump.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
They rely on media for their "truth". Let's compare how fact-checkers review Joe Biden vs. how they review Donald Trump..

Joe Biden:
43% of the verdicts relied in some part on a news article to justify their finding.
41% of PolitiFact’s sources were media
11% of the Washington Post’s
FactCheck.org relied primarily on candidate websites, government information and previous fact checks.​
Donald Trump
68% of their Trump verdicts in the last four months have relied upon news reports in some way.
67% of the Washington Post’s sources being media reports
60% of Snopes'
45% of the New York Times’
30% of FactCheck.org’s
25% of PolitiFact’s.​
Across all claims from any source, here's how much they relied at least in part on a news report to justify its verdict,
91% of Snopes
81% of PolitiFact
78% of the Washington Post
57% of FactCheck.org
47% of the New York Times​
In all, 76% of the claims across the five fact-checkers relied in some way on journalism to justify their findings.​

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/12/fact-checkers_rely_heavily_on_media_reports_for_truth_141239.html

Wow, that really sheds a light on how Fact Checking has become so biased in favor of the left. They rely on a field (journalism and media) that is 90% left to decide what is "true".

I mean, look at the differences between Biden and Trump.

I'm not saying it's right.. but it makes sense. It's nice to see someone pop the hood so we can see what's underneath.
What I find interesting here is that not a single “smart” lefty addressed the objectively demonstrable bias inherent in sourcing material for fact-checking. They may quibble as to what extent media are left versus right or neutral...but look at the disparity...the delta in sourcing fact-check material from Biden versus material from Trump. There is very significant difference between how that material is sourced...by candidate name.

Nope. Nothing to see here...(including no thoughtful, good faith lefties). You simply cannot discuss anything at this point.

Pathetic stuff.
 

Nostra

Governor
the deficit is nanny pelosi's!! wow. such a copout. the repubs own the senate and the presidential clown circus. we have to fund money to run the country, to protect our country, to just exist as the leading force for democracy in the world, and to do our constitutional duty to provide for the common defense and general welfare.

do you really think Pelosi or any democrat wanted to cut taxes primarily for the rich, who are doing so well in any historical perspective, and for big companies, who are also historically profitable? when the democrats clearly said such tax cuts would destroy our budget, would lead to a return of trillion dollar deficits AND IT HAS.

why not admit the truth? you can do this!! pretend you are not a trump voter!!
What do the tax cuts have to do with Pelosi's out of control spending?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
This Week In Dumb
Michelle Malkin has been on a book tour through right-wing media, and she's been pushing far-right conspiracy theories at every stop. On Fox, she pushed the conspiracy theory behind the mass shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue. On the radio, she pushed the white nationalist "great replacement" conspiracy theory behind the El Paso shooting with both Sean Hannity and former Trump aide Sebastian Gorka. In a Facebook video, she and Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes alleged that billionaire donor George Soros was not actually Jewish. On a Daily Caller podcast, she pushed an anti-Catholic conspiracy theory about immigration. When Malkin was on Fox Business, host Lou Dobbs alleged that Soros' "tentacles" are undermining American sovereignty.

Even in 2019, Sean Hannity is completely and utterly obsessed with Hillary Clinton. Matt Gertz ran the numbers, and Clinton was mentioned in 91% of Hannity's shows since Trump's inauguration. We put together a video compilation of some of those mentions and it is dizzying.

A host for pro-Trump propaganda network OAN had a meltdown over "transgender penguins," worrying about the collapse of civilization.

Lou Dobbs had quite the week of shameless propaganda. On Thursday, he attacked the media for not reporting on how much fun people are having around Trump: "At every level, on every floor, this White House is energized. There's sunshine beaming throughout the place, and on almost every face."

But that wasn't all. On Friday night, Dobbs closed his broadcast by thanking Trump for making weekends possible: "Have a great weekend. The president makes such a thing possible for us all."
 
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they do. show any of the 12,000 lies trump has told since being elected, according to the WashPo fact checker, were not lies, if you can. do it. then talk about it.
Wow, 12,000 lies. That sounds like a lot. How does that compare with WaPo's lie count for other presidents?

PS: It's up to WaPo to prove what they say are lies, not for us normal people to prove a negative.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
What I find interesting here is that not a single “smart” lefty addressed the objectively demonstrable bias inherent in sourcing material for fact-checking. They may quibble as to what extent media are left versus right or neutral...but look at the disparity...the delta in sourcing fact-check material from Biden versus material from Trump. There is very significant difference between how that material is sourced...by candidate name.

Nope. Nothing to see here...(including no thoughtful, good faith lefties). You simply cannot discuss anything at this point.

Pathetic stuff.
it is pathetic when people do not understand how real fact checkers work, or even have a clue how to fact check!! even fox viewers and trump voters must know that all the quotes and tweets and statements attributed to Trump and then debunked by using common sense facts, such as windmills cause cancer, mexico sends illegal people here, out of the millions of illegal mexicans here, almost all of them are rapists and killers and some, he assumes are good people, and climate change is a chinese hoax, are obviously lies, and we have video of trump spewing this goofy shit.

how does any kind of political bias change those facts even if these reliable sources were biased? it is still true!! do you believe any of those lies trump said, as I showed above?

what exactly are you complaining about? real fact checkers fact checking trump's documented tweets and quotes, most of them with video and audio and a paper trail on his twitter account? or that all that crap he spews is somehow based on reality?

do you believe windmills cause cancer, for example?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Wow, 12,000 lies. That sounds like a lot. How does that compare with WaPo's lie count for other presidents?

PS: It's up to WaPo to prove what they say are lies, not for us normal people to prove a negative.
no, you got it backwards, silly person. we have video of trump spewing this goofy shit!! even a trump voter should be able to go to trump's twitter account and verify the silly lies he spews on there every day. how much proof do you need to know windmills do not cause cancer? and one and on and on and on.
 
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Deleted member 21794

Guest
no, you got it backwards, silly person. we have video of trump spewing this goofy shit!! even a trump voter should be able to go to trump's twitter account and verify the silly lies he spews on there every day. how much proof do you need to know windmills do not cause cancer? and one and on and on and on.
Nothing you said refutes what I posted. A person making an accusation against another has the burden of proof.

Here, let me educate you on what a lie is. Let's take your babbling about Trump saying windmills cause cancer. He is likely wrong about that. Now let's see your proof he's lying.

Think about it and get back to me.
 
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