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I just heard a quote from an Obama speech and went WTF...

Lapcat

Governor
When you read between the lies/lines of every Obama "speech".....you see that he means the same thing throughout. Socialism (communism w/a smiley face).

He means 'take from those that have (have worked hard for everything they have and their success) and give it to those who haven't worked' (and don't think they should have to work).

That, in Obama's and in leftists' ""mind"" (as if they had one), means economic JUSTICE and they'll now call it economic patriotism as they, the leftists, continue to ream Americans in every way possible.....especially financially, morally and economically.


"It's Time For A New Economic Patriotism"

Huh? So that's what he's calling it now? We know what he's referring to - it's just a doubling down on his agenda of wealth redistribution and punishing success. So that's what he's now referring to as a "new economic patriotism." Economic patriotism used to mean getting educated, working for a living and paying your way/pulling your own weight. Now it means "from each according to ability, to each according to need. No effing thanks!
 

Daniel Webster

Council Member
Lukey. Those voting for Obama, those who have looked at the facts and are still okay with Obama, not the ones who are voting for him for superficial reasons, are people who are okay with socialism right down to taking from those who work and giving to those who do not work. They are okay with that concept. They are not going to change their minds. Approximately 47% of the people of this country agree with that concept. Either they don't work or they do work and they don't mind giving a large percentage of their earnings to someone who doesn't work. That's just how it is. We will not change the minds of someone who agrees with that.

But I agree with you. It is wrong. And as soon as so many people decide they will just stop working and live off the ones who work that there are not enough working people to support the rest, it will all come crashing down.

Jen
While those who are voting for Rmoney are those who were & are OK with the concentration capms in WWII & killing jews. They are the people that are OK with sending our kifs to die in a war based on lies & then when the come home wounded, leaving them to starve on the street with no help or appreciation from us at all. They are the people who are OK with our seniors having to eat cat food to survive because they can't afford actuall food, they are the people who are OK with letting seniors die of minor illness' because why would they want to actually let them have any access to any form of affordable healthcare.


Yep those people truely are an evil lot.
 

Minotaur

Governor
Lukey I hate to say this but it is one thing to repeat the statement and quite another to place your own meaning to it. LOL

At this point need anyone remind you that everything after your small quote is what you think and your mind working. You really can't apply your thoughts to what Obama means. Though you did say it like you believed your own view. ;)
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
For what it's worth, I am against the idea of protectionism, at least in this simple form of 'tariffs and quotas'. Economists have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that such methods reduce the general economic welfare of any country that indulges in them. One can be an economic patriot, however, without favoring such devices. There is certainly nothing wrong with simply encouraging or exhorting people to buy American-made products, when they can. A patriotic economic strategy would be, rather, to nurture and nourish those industries in which we have a comparative advantage. For most of the 20th century, those were the science-based, knowledge-intensive industries generating innovative products on the frontiers of technology. Those industries were WHY America became the richest country in the world. Nurturing and nourishing such industries would mean, above all else, retooling the American educational system, so that we once again have the finest schools and universities in the world. We still do have the best universities, but our K-12 school system has become an international joke, and the rot is seeping up through the floorboards into our university system.
Protectionism is but one of the three main points discussed in the original paragraph. The other two are easily the more desirable imo. Encouragement of greater commerce in local goods is being seen in the foodie world especially...locavores taking a lead in that. In all things, I'd prefer some level of balance.

Fear of outside purchase and/or control makes some sense to me, especially in matters of military and national security. I consider telecommunications an aspect of that...but is it? A recent story raises the question...60 Minutes has it tonight.

Huawei, a global Chinese telecommunications equipment manufacturer already doing limited business in the U.S., poses a threat to national and corporate security say members of the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Those congressmen speak to Steve Kroft for a 60 Minutes investigation to be broadcast Sunday, Oct. 7 at 7:30 p.m. ET and 7:00 p.m. PT.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57526899/chinese-telecom-giant-eyed-as-security-threat/


 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
A centrally planned economy driven by Keynesianism coupled with protectionism? What could possibly go wrong with that? Sounds like the Soviet Union to me...
Protectionism? Is that what Romney is saying he'll do with regard to China or is it what Obama says he'll do with limiting the use of expenses incurred in moving jobs overseas as tax deductions? Central planning? Haven't seen any evidence of that, have you? Keynesianism? Is that what Obama is doing or what Romney has planned (remember Romney says increasing defense spending is good for jobs)?

Try getting your head on straight with this stuff instead of just regurgitating what Glenn Beck says.
 

Wulk

Mayor
Lapcat, what about those people who have worked hard all their lives, and are now retired on pensions/and social benefits, would you take those social benefits away from them?

How about those, who through no fault of their own, are out of work - perhaps because the jobs aren't there for them; would you just let them, and their families starve?
 

imreallyperplexed

Council Member
What a bunch of hogwash.

When you read between the lies/lines of every Obama "speech".....you see that he means the same thing throughout. Socialism (communism w/a smiley face).

He means 'take from those that have (have worked hard for everything they have and their success) and give it to those who haven't worked' (and don't think they should have to work).

That, in Obama's and in leftists' ""mind"" (as if they had one), means economic JUSTICE and they'll now call it economic patriotism for Americans

for the country.
 

Lapcat

Governor
Who the hell is advocating that, Wulk. Be honest, for once. NOBODY.

And we're not talking about those that are now out of work thanks to the socialist BS policies of Barack Hussein Obama. We're talking about the millions of Americans that don't work, have never worked, and "think" the nation owes them not just a living, but free food, free phones, free housing, free EVERYTHING.

Get a clue.

And it is no mere accident that Obama has removed the work requirements for those on welfare. Republicans fought to put it in and legally, legislatively enacted those requirements. But Obama doesn't believe in the rule of law, the US constitution OR our legal processes. He is, like a typical damned leftie, above all of that. (he thinks)

Lapcat, what about those people who have worked hard all their lives, and are now retired on pensions/and social benefits, would you take those social benefits away from them?

How about those, who through no fault of their own, are out of work - perhaps because the jobs aren't there for them; would you just let them, and their families starve?
 

Lapcat

Governor
Funny....BUT.....I never see you chastise your leftie buds here for applying THEIR thoughts to what Romney or any other Republican or non-leftist "means". Hell...I have NEVER even seen you complain when Gecko applies HIS thoughts to what we conservative PJ posters mean....on a daily basis.

Why is that?

I sure hope your partisanship isn't getting in the way here, Min. :D

Lukey I hate to say this but it is one thing to repeat the statement and quite another to place your own meaning to it. LOL

At this point need anyone remind you that everything after your small quote is what you think and your mind working. You really can't apply your thoughts to what Obama means. Though you did say it like you believed your own view. ;)
 

Daniel Webster

Council Member
talking about the millions of Americans that don't work, have never worked


There are no such people, & if there were they would be rebublicants.
 

imreallyperplexed

Council Member
More baloney from the vast right wing propoganda Borg.

[video=youtube;AyenRCJ_4Ww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww[/video]

Who the hell is advocating that, Wulk. Be honest, for once. NOBODY.

And we're not talking about those that are now out of work thanks to the socialist BS policies of Barack Hussein Obama. We're talking about the millions of Americans that don't work, have never worked, and "think" the nation owes them not just a living, but free food, free phones, free housing, free EVERYTHING.

Get a clue.

And it is no mere accident that Obama has removed the work requirements for those on welfare. Republicans fought to put it in and legally, legislatively enacted those requirements. But Obama doesn't believe in the rule of law, the US constitution OR our legal processes. He is, like a typical damned leftie, above all of that. (he thinks)
 

Lapcat

Governor
Sez who? You? LMAO! Coming from a leftie who has never been right, I'll take your bleats with a grain of salt....

and for what they're worth. Which is the same as what Obama says is worth. Zip, zilch, ZERO and nada.


Of course you would. But you would be wrong. As usual.
 

Lapcat

Governor
Yeah....I do realize that you only listen to and prefer your leftist brand of propaganda and bullshit. But hey....SO FAR....this is still a free country....

and even those that disagree with you 100% are still allowed to voice their opinions. A fact and a scenario that leftists would change in a heartbeat.....

if you could.

More baloney from the vast right wing propoganda Borg.

[video=youtube;AyenRCJ_4Ww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww[/video]
 

Daniel Webster

Council Member
Yeah....I do realize that you only listen to and prefer your leftist brand of propaganda and bullshit. But hey....SO FAR....this is still a free country....

and even those that disagree with you 100% are still allowed to voice their opinions. A fact and a scenario that leftists would change in a heartbeat.....

if you could.
Yeah....I do realize that you only listen to and prefer your facist brand of propaganda and bullshit. But hey....SO FAR....this is still a free country....

and even those that disagree with you 100% are still allowed to voice their opinions. A fact and a scenario that facists would change in a heartbeat.....

if you could.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
THose voting for Mitt, those who have looked at the facts and are still okay with him are people who are ok with not knowing what the hell the guy will do. He has contradicted himself on every single thing he says he stands for.

Is he pro-choice? Um, not any more.

Is he for or against Romneycare? He was for it before he was against it.

Is he for balancing the budget? Not by a long shot. Nothing he has proposed will result in a balanced budget. A $200 billion increase in defense spending vs a $45 billion cut in spending (5% cut in all discretionary non-defense spending)....and with no increase in taxes (he says)....

Is he for or against tax cuts? Well, when confronted in the debate he first said he is not proposing a tax cut, then he said he is proposing nothing in the area of $5 trillion bucks....All right, which is it? In fact his tax cut (20% across the board) is a $5 trillion cut. Romney argues "yeah, but there is a balancing cut in loopholes that will result in $0 impact to the deficit". The only problem is that Mitt won't tell us what those are, so we have no idea how much or how little that will bring in. The real problem with his math is that no matter what they are, let's say he eliminates all deductions...it won't amount to $5 trillion by a long shot and when you run Mitt's own tax return it amounts to a $250k tax cut...and that is with no deductions.

He said during the debate that he will not cut education spending....his website disagrees. His statements before his supporters were that he wouldn't abolish the department of education, but will make it substantiall smaller. Explain that for me....he's going to make the department smaller, but not cut any part of the spending.

So the bottom line is that you question the judgement of those who would vote for Obama, but fail to take a good look at your own. It is the same people who voted for Bush who would now want to bring back the identical policies....tax cuts, deregulation, irrational military threats against Iran when it is clear that Obama's policies are working and Iran's regime is in danger of collapse.
You tout Romney's business experience but ignore that his business experience has to do with using debt to buy up companies and then selling them for a profit.....tell me how the hell that applies to running a government.....

Your judgement stinks out loud....I'll stand by mine anyday.
 

imreallyperplexed

Council Member
I have no problem with people who want to exercise their free speech to make themselves look like total fools. I just reserve the right to comment on their foolishness.

Yeah....I do realize that you only listen to and prefer your leftist brand of propaganda and bullshit. But hey....SO FAR....this is still a free country....

and even those that disagree with you 100% are still allowed to voice their opinions. A fact and a scenario that leftists would change in a heartbeat.....

if you could.
 

Lapcat

Governor
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talking about the millions of americans that don't work, have never worked


there are no such people, & if there were they would be rebublicants.
 
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