I think this whole Russia collusion thing could be turned on a dime...

[MrMike]

Not so fast Phil...don't you remember Barry told Vlad, in no uncertain terms to " cut that out".

I'm sure that warning by Obama made Vlad quake in his boots...

 

[Addy]

All you're doing is telling the American people that you are incapable of handling representative democracy anymore.

No, that's what Trump is doing by meeting with Putin today.

 

[middleview]

p

I can understand the desperation to change subjects, but if you check the subject line of the thread, you'll see clearly that I'm on point, and that you're not.

Your post.

There also was a long-standing criticism of Obama that his foreign-policy making amounted to endless process with no outcomes — hours of meetings that yielded more meetings but no ultimate action.

 

[PhilFish]

Man....that's absolutely brilliantly evil!

(I like a little evil every now and then)

Not evil...logic.

Known to prior admin before election. No action taken.

Using today's logic..it may be that Obama colluded with Russia to get trump elected.

Ack.

 

[Alinvegas]

For example, one could just as easily ask...

why did the Obama Administration attempt to collude with the Russians in order to have Hillary Clinton elected, and then the Russians double-cross them?

Or

why did the Obama Administration do nothing with the information that Russians were attempting to hack the US electoral system? Was it collusion?

I'll give everyone there Trump collusion accusation but I'll stick to my standard... Prove it.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/21/587614043/fact-check-why-didnt-obama-stop-russia-s-election-interference-in-2016

Don't forget, O'bungle told puddin to "Knock It Off" and threatened to draw one of his infamous "Red Lines"

 

[Alinvegas]

Apparently, Trump is still wanting to be friends/meet with Putin despite knowing how they interfered with our election and are still committing cyber crimes against the USA.

Looks like everything Hillary said during the debates was the truth re: Putin.
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In light of yesterday’s indictments, which should (but won’t, unfortunately) end any controversy about whether Russia attacked us during the 2016 election cycle, this exchange from the third and final Clinton-Trump debate is pretty alarming:

DONALD TRUMP: Now we can talk about Putin. I don't know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia and the United States got along well and went after ISIS, that would be good.

He has no respect for her. He has no respect for our president. And I'll tell you what: We're in very serious trouble, because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads — 1,800, by the way — where they expanded and we didn't, 1,800 nuclear warheads. And she's playing chicken. Look, Putin...

CHRIS WALLACE: Wait, but...

TRUMP: ... from everything I see, has no respect for this person.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

TRUMP: No puppet! No puppet!

CLINTON: And it's pretty clear ...

TRUMP: You're the puppet!

CLINTON: It's pretty clear you won't admit ...

TRUMP: No, you're the puppet.

CLINTON: ... that the Russians have engaged in cyberattacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him, because he has a very clear favorite in this race.

So I think that this is such an unprecedented situation. We've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. We have 17 — 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin and they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing.

WALLACE: Secretary Clinton...

CLINTON: And I think it's time you take a stand ...

TRUMP: She has no idea whether it's Russia, China, or anybody else.

CLINTON: I am not quoting myself.

TRUMP: She has no idea.

CLINTON: I am quoting 17 ...

TRUMP: Hillary, you have no idea.

CLINTON: ... 17 intelligence — do you doubt 17 military and civilian ...

TRUMP: And our country has no idea.

CLINTON: ... agencies.

TRUMP: Yeah, I doubt it. I doubt it.

CLINTON: Well, he'd rather believe Vladimir Putin than the military and civilian intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us. I find that just absolutely ...

(CROSSTALK)

To review:

• The Russians did engage in cyberattacks against us.
• Trump did encourage the Russians — in broad daylight, no less — to attack us, and did so on the same day that Putin’s charges started their spearphishing campaign against Clinton.
• Trump is fulfilling Putin’s wish list, including doing everything he can to weaken our alliances, undermine our trade partnerships, and sow discord between our country and other NATO members.
• Putin did have a very clear favorite in the race.
• And, finally, Hillary did know who was behind the cyberattacks — because she gets her information from our intelligence agencies instead of Brian Kilmeade.

So there you have it. Hillary warned us, and now we’re in deep shit because too many people trusted a lifelong con man instead of her.
1780562/-Guess-what-Everything-Hillary-said-about-Trump-Putin-turned-out-to-be-true#comment_70752470

Enjoy that, America. We’re under attack, and your pr*sident couldn’t care less

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Really?

You're accusing a sitting President of allowing a foreign power to illegally subvert a national election?

Sounds treasonous.

You have evidence, of course......

Oh, it gets better. Barack Obama hand-picked the members of the "secret society" within the FBI. I'm sure you knew that already.

 

[MrMike]

Not evil...logic.

Known to prior admin before election. No action taken.

Using today's logic..it may be that Obama colluded with Russia to get trump elected.

Ack.

But... you see, to devout Liberals who are heavily invested into the Russian collusion thingy, logic is... evil!

 

[JuliefromOhio]

The link provided shows a number of steps taken in an attempt to halt the interference. Both campaigns were informed. Election officials around the country were warned.
How do you think you halt the kind of hacks attempted...how do you stop emails from a number of sources that are trying to get passwords. You seem to think there is some "port of entry" into the US that we could simply scan incoming digital transmissions and stop the bad guys. Should we have bombed the site in Moscow where the hackers worked?

Many alternatives might have appeared as though Obama was interfering in the election if he'd gone public with an accusation that the Russians were helping Trump...and they were.

Obama wanted Sen Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to make a joint statement with him, but alas, McConnell said no. Guess McConnell knew the Russians were helping Trump and hurting Hillary, so what did he care?

 

[Zam-Zam]

Oh, it gets better. Barack Obama hand-picked the members of the "secret society" within the FBI. I'm sure you knew that already.

That's more your thing than mine.

 

[JuliefromOhio]

That's more your thing than mine.

Oh, I've got more con conspiracies to share. You know, the ones you've been duped to believe.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Oh, I've got more con conspiracies to share. You know, the ones you've been duped to believe.

Do tell.

 

[marvin martian]

No, that's what Trump is doing by meeting with Putin today.

You're not getting the bloody war with Russia Hillary Clinton promised you. So sorry.

 

[Colorforms]

No, that's what Trump is doing by meeting with Putin today.

How so?

 

[Addy]

How so?

Strange that Trump didn't hold Putin accountable for Russia's interference in our election and failed to warn him against doing it again going forward.
Basically, Trump is letting a thug like Putin undermine our democracy.

 

[Addy]

You're not getting the bloody war with Russia Hillary Clinton promised you. So sorry.

I am sorry you feel safe with a wuss like Trump for president.

 

[Colorforms]

Strange that Trump didn't hold Putin accountable for Russia's interference in our election and failed to warn him against doing it again going forward.
Basically, Trump is letting a thug like Putin undermine our democracy.

But Putin didn't undermine our democracy under Trump. He undermined our democracy under Obama. Obama laughed it off and teased Trump, who was warning people about it, that no serious person could think that Russia could hack our elections.

It seems to me that if anyone LET Putin undermine our democracy, it would be Obama.

 

[Addy]

But Putin didn't undermine our democracy under Trump. He undermined our democracy under Obama. Obama laughed it off and teased Trump, who was warning people about it, that no serious person could think that Russia could hack our elections.

It seems to me that if anyone LET Putin undermine our democracy, it would be Obama.

Sorry, Charlie, blame Obama if it makes you feel better... but that doesn't let Trump off the hook. The buck stops with him nowadays.

 

[Colorforms]

Sorry, Charlie, blame Obama if it makes you feel better... but that doesn't let Trump off the hook. The buck stops with him nowadays.

Off the hook for what? Trump didn't allow the Russians to influence the election.

 

[Addy]

Off the hook for what? Trump didn't allow the Russians to influence the election.

Funny you don't remember Trump calling on the Russians to hack Hillary's emails.
So what plans have been put in place by Trump to stop future Russian cyber attacks affecting our elections and our security?

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DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, essentially urging a foreign adversary to conduct cyberespionage against a former secretary of state.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Mr. Trump’s call was another bizarre moment in the mystery of whether Vladimir V. Putin’s government has been seeking to influence the United States’ presidential race.

His comments came amid questions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee’s computer servers, which American intelligence agencies have told the White House they have “high confidence” was the work of the Russian government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html