If You are using Racism as a political tool...You are a racist(poll to be taken)

[EatTheRich]

You are very funny. Did you see how the white supremacists attacked me when I told them they didn't understand the immigration laws? They jump up and down swearing and be damned that I'm on your side and when I see the hypocrisy of your side, then I'm on the white supremacist side?

Not quite. I looked at both sides of the equation. I listened to the arguments and concluded that you were little more than the Klan with a tan.

You blame failure on white privilege; you blame it on geography; your entire religion revolves around your race and how the white man screwed you and you want to prove it so badly that you pretend to be an authority on history, archaeology, law, genetics, politics and anything that affects the non-whites.

In reality, you probably work at a minimum wage job because you're always on the board or researching ways to beat your "unworthy opponents" with horsesh!+ you can't sell without desperate moves to call others names, make baseless allegations, and find fault with any position that challenges yours - even claiming that some people had a discredited hypothesis... Yeah, right pal. Just because YOU don't want to believe something does not negate its value in the conversation.

You think I'm supposed to buy your position because the other guy is white and if I don't, I'm a racist???? Sage keeps talking about how backward the blacks are in terms of intelligence. I've bumped heads with him, but on this one, you're proving him right. If you can ever get the courage to pretend to be mature, we can discuss this. If not, you're doing more to derail your own arguments than anyone else can hope to.

1. I'm white, as you should know. I've mentioned it before. The fact is, there are people of many races, including whites, on my side of the argument. There are only whites on your side.
2. No, I have not seen you ever criticized by white supremacists. Got a link?
3. I don't pretend to be an authority on history, archaeology, law, genetics, or politics. But I have read enough to recognize bullshit when I see it, and am often able to provide links to factual material substantiating what I've learned from making an effort to educate myself. You, on the other hand, consistently make demonstrably false statements and promote what are generally considered pseudosciences in support of preconceived racial conclusions. It can't just be ignorance because the evidence of actual scholarly research has been handed to you on a silver platter. So is it malice?

British-Israelism is in fact a discredited hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

 

[TheResister]

1. I'm white, as you should know. I've mentioned it before. The fact is, there are people of many races, including whites, on my side of the argument. There are only whites on your side.
2. No, I have not seen you ever criticized by white supremacists. Got a link?
3. I don't pretend to be an authority on history, archaeology, law, genetics, or politics. But I have read enough to recognize bullshit when I see it, and am often able to provide links to factual material substantiating what I've learned from making an effort to educate myself. You, on the other hand, consistently make demonstrably false statements and promote what are generally considered pseudosciences in support of preconceived racial conclusions. It can't just be ignorance because the evidence of actual scholarly research has been handed to you on a silver platter. So is it malice?

British-Israelism is in fact a discredited hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

You're constantly being called on making bullshit statements. You can act holier than thou all you like. Opinions do not discredit a hypothesis.

Research the immigration threads on this board.

So, your "evidence" is "scholarly research" given to me on a silver platter, but cannot be questioned without you getting your tighty whiteys in a bunch? IF you're white, then you sold out a long time ago in some desperate attempt to find acceptance among people other than whites.

Yeah, every race does some extremely silly things. But, becoming a traitor to your own race does not give any credibility to positions that another poster is taking apart while I watch. Sorry, I'm not seeing any scholarly response to Sage. I'm not going to get into defending a religious viewpoint. Nobody can discredit Capt on that. They can disagree, but his work (as differentiated from his religion) is pretty solid from the research I've done on (reading reviews from more than a half a dozen sites)

 

[EatTheRich]

You're constantly being called on making bullshit statements. You can act holier than thou all you like. Opinions do not discredit a hypothesis.

Research the immigration threads on this board.

So, your "evidence" is "scholarly research" given to me on a silver platter, but cannot be questioned without you getting your tighty whiteys in a bunch? IF you're white, then you sold out a long time ago in some desperate attempt to find acceptance among people other than whites.

Yeah, every race does some extremely silly things. But, becoming a traitor to your own race does not give any credibility to positions that another poster is taking apart while I watch. Sorry, I'm not seeing any scholarly response to Sage. I'm not going to get into defending a religious viewpoint. Nobody can discredit Capt on that. They can disagree, but his work (as differentiated from his religion) is pretty solid from the research I've done on (reading reviews from more than a half a dozen sites)

When you call me a traitor to my own race, are you deliberately echoing Ku Klux Klan rhetoric, or does it simply reflect a similar worldview? My problem is not with you questioning my evidence, my problem is with you calling sourced factual evidence I provide "opinions" while providing only your own opinions, or unsourced, made-up facts for which I can provide factual reputation from credible academic sources, in attempted refutation.

Capt's "scholarship" (British-Israelism and pyramidology) cannot be separated from his religion (Christian Identity). Like other pseudoscientists, he proceeds from a preconceived conclusion (based in his case on his religion and the racist politics tied to it) and then cherry-picks evidence to support his conclusion. That is why he is not taken seriously by the archaeological community and his works are only commonly sold at Aryan Nations meetings and other fringe gatherings.

 

[TheResister]

When you call me a traitor to my own race, are you deliberately echoing Ku Klux Klan rhetoric, or does it simply reflect a similar worldview? My problem is not with you questioning my evidence, my problem is with you calling sourced factual evidence I provide "opinions" while providing only your own opinions, or unsourced, made-up facts for which I can provide factual reputation from credible academic sources, in attempted refutation.

Capt's "scholarship" (British-Israelism and pyramidology) cannot be separated from his religion (Christian Identity). Like other pseudoscientists, he proceeds from a preconceived conclusion (based in his case on his religion and the racist politics tied to it) and then cherry-picks evidence to support his conclusion. That is why he is not taken seriously by the archaeological community and his works are only commonly sold at Aryan Nations meetings and other fringe gatherings.

You take evidence and cherry pick in order to prove a position that is inconsistent with the over-all truth. Then you accuse those who have a different view of doing it. Now, you're out to somehow put me in the same camp with racists.

Capt's conclusions are based upon the evidence. Your sources base their conclusions on evidence they choose to stress. It's basically the same thing. The conclusions are the opinions. Your opinions are no more valid than anyone else. You know that because you cannot stay on point. This has to become a personality contest with you.

You are saddled with a problem: I'm not Donald Trump. I'm not running for public office. So, what some guy with a burr up his ass thinks because he hates his own kind can't hurt my feelings by calling me names and making idiotic accusations.

The facts I see look like this:

In Chicago (the place Obama calls home) there were 2900 shootings last year resulting in 468 murders. This year, the most current figure I could find was 677 shootings by the first part of April of this year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/01/murders-shootings-soar-chicago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/

The racial makeup of Chicago in 2010 was "The racial makeup of the city in 2010 was 32% black, 45.3% white (31.7% non-Hispanic white), 5% Asian , and 3% from two or more races."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Chicago

When we go to Atlanta, we find some of the same thing. According to one article:

"Atlanta is, as of 2010, the nation's 4th largest black-majority city and has long been known as a "black mecca" for its role as a center of black wealth, political and social power, education, and culture including film and music."

According to the same source, Atlanta is just over a third white... much like Chicago.

"The city violent crime rate for Atlanta in 2012 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 256.46% and the city property crime rate in Atlanta was higher than the national property crime rate average by 129.33%."

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/georgia/atlanta.html

The facts as I see them is that even factoring in that these two cities have many wealthy non-whites, they are predominantly non-white and they are extremely violent. Over half of all the violent crime in Georgia happens in five precincts and four of those are in Atlanta. ALL of those are in predominantly black areas.

Instead of manning up, most blacks like to seek out folk like you. It's about geography, white privilege, racism, etc. It's never about the fact that the liberals have this attitude that you blame the whites, create a society that thinks they are all victims and then deny the truth. I did hear one black guy say on camera in Atlanta if black lives really mattered we wouldn't be killing each other in the streets.

So, you have your reality, I'm observing something else.

 

[reason10]

<<<<2. Black employment rates are higher today than in the days of Jim Crow. So much for Jim Crow keeping Blacks working.>>>>

They must have put strychnine in your crack pipe. Black employment rates today are the lowest in history.

<<<3. BLM is an anti-murder movement that is resisting savage predator.>>>

BLM is a terrorist hate group whose formation was based on a [Unwelcome language removed] LIE.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

1. Blacks turned the Greenwood district in Tulsa into a wealthy and prosperous neighborhood--the wealthiest African-American neighborhood in the country. It was looted and destroyed, and hundreds of its residents killed, by a white pogrom. So much for turning every neighborhood they take over into a junkyard.
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The giggling Gotcha Gang doesn't realize that the exception proves the rule. Besides, I'm sure that the corrupt ruling classes in Africa also live in nice neighborhoods and send their sons out to rape the women in the general population.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Blacks are the leading threat to the plutocracy and the vanguard of the coming socialist revolution. Blacks and Latinos are a majority of the working class in the United States today. I'm not gonna defend everything the New Left did, but the fact is that a labor aristocracy that was predominantly white was won over to the side of the exploiters with the help of the Communist Party, the union bosses, and some fat extra crumbs from the masters' table. An orientation toward student radicals and oppressed groups allowed revolutionary movements to survive the witch hunts and continue organizing. PETA and the Unabomber (a thoroughly reactionary right-winger) got little to no support from Marxists.

College Student Radicals Are Burped Out From an Obsolete Aristocratic Institution


You can claim that "racist" Whites are being manipulated by the aristocracy, but I can't claim that, on the contrary, race traitors are the ones serving that hereditary ruling class. You've been manipulated into thinking my theory is absurd only because none of the "pro-White" plants claim that Liberalism is a scheme run by Preppies, an entire class that has no right to exist. But whatever interpretations they let us hear should be dismissed. You should search among the missing silent ideas that are left after that, because money talks and that's all you hear.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The majority, including the majority of whites (especially working-class whites), is firmly anti-racist. Liberals were not the impetus for the destruction of Jim Crow--they were prodded into action by communists and union organizers mobilizing the masses for hard-fought victories through (mostly) multi-racial action.

Wishful Thinking

You are taking a tiny group of wannabe Preppy Progressives as representative of the White working class.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

"Aristocracy" literally means rule by the best. Your argument that some people are naturally fit to rule and others are fit to be ruled or to die is the argument of a would-be aristocrat. The fact is that (as with other races) some white people are on one side of the class divide and some are on the other.

From the Beginning, Reds Have Been on the Blueblood Side

You're well-trained in stretching the rational and realistic side's arguments until they break. Aristocracies are always tiny minorities ruling over the majority; that has nothing relevant to say about majority rule, except in colonial rule over backward and untamed races. And !!! WARNING. ORIGINAL THOUGHT!!! imperialism collapsed only because it was rule by the occupying country's pre-ordained elite. Only democratic imperialism can survive, as it was with Americans of low European birth ruling over the Indians.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

<<<<2. Black employment rates are higher today than in the days of Jim Crow. So much for Jim Crow keeping Blacks working.>>>>

They must have put strychnine in your crack pipe. Black employment rates today are the lowest in history.
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Even if higher than in Jim Crow days, Black employment data are irrelevant because of Affirmative Action extortion on the employers.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You're constantly being called on making bullshit statements. You can act holier than thou all you like. Opinions do not discredit a hypothesis.

Research the immigration threads on this board.

So, your "evidence" is "scholarly research" given to me on a silver platter, but cannot be questioned without you getting your tighty whiteys in a bunch? IF you're white, then you sold out a long time ago in some desperate attempt to find acceptance among people other than whites.

Yeah, every race does some extremely silly things. But, becoming a traitor to your own race does not give any credibility to positions that another poster is taking apart while I watch. Sorry, I'm not seeing any scholarly response to Sage. I'm not going to get into defending a religious viewpoint. Nobody can discredit Capt on that. They can disagree, but his work (as differentiated from his religion) is pretty solid from the research I've done on (reading reviews from more than a half a dozen sites)

The Rainbow Has No More Solidity Than a Cloud Does

He's not trying to be accepted by non-Whites; his heroes and gurus are degenerate New Age Whites who confidently and self-righteously preach that they are the wave of the future. If they are, it will be a tsunami.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

As the Primary elections get closer to coronation of Hillary and seeing who the Republicans pick despite the peoples choice. We will see the use of racism increase...like at Trump rallies. So before you start using racism as a political tool let's set some guidelines.

1. If your use of racism creates a need for racism to exist....Your the racist

2. If you cannot prove a valid example of racism(example: Medgar Evers Civil rights avtivist was shot by Democratic Byron De La Beckwith...then Governor Ross Barnett (D) came to shake hands with De La Beckwith at his trial...That's racism), if you have no real examples...Your the racist.

3. If your the Guy crashing the Trump Rally with a sign yet have no proof...your the racist
* proof wont fit on your sign

4. If you are of a political party that legaized the killing of people of color(See Medgar Evers) and you claim a leopard can change his spots...You the racist...

5. If you use racism in a post or thread which does not include an opportunity for racism to end...Your just promoting racism and you are the racist.

I am suggesting we set guidelines on the P.J. for the use of racism

So before you use racism as a political tool review these guidelines ask yourself will my post suggest that racism should end...or am I just trying to put racism on people or a political party with out valid cause, rethink, replace what you say and put an end to racism. My guess is the answer to this would be down party lines... I hope my guess would be wrong and that we could set guidelines for all.

Hell, what is racism?

There is not even an accepted definition.

 

[TheResister]

Hell, what is racism?

There is not even an accepted definition.

The real reason that most people won't cop to being a racist is due to the negative connotations our society has foisted on a gullible public. In reality, nobody agrees because most people are racist. It's just that it comes in degrees.

In the Atlanta area there is a radio station called V103. They dub themselves as the "Peoples Station." They have all of six songs that are indecipherable for the most part and their DJs harp on life from a black perspective (i.e. get out the black vote, Black Lives Matter, all things black in Atlanta.) It's a major radio station, BTW.

Those guys are openly black. Whether they like the moniker or not, they are racists. OTOH, when Donald Trump talks about building his wall and so forth, it has racial connotations since the real objective is to preserve our nation (which was founded by white guys.)

The downside is, because so much negative Pavlovian conditioning has taken place, the right has had to repeat the affirmation - "I don't care what color you are..." and, as a result (as Hitler once observed), if you tell a lie often enough you will believe the lie.

So now, the right has adopted this bastardized belief that they are the ultimate social liberals. Their standard bearer is for gay rights and wants to be inclusive with respect to the non-whites. On the surface, the ploy is to negate the racist allegations. But, at the end of the day, if anyone wants to preserve anything related to American history and / or culture, the left is there to chant the racist mantra no matter how fair and equitable any outcome would be for them.

Unfortunately the whites bought into the snake oil they were fed and the entire subject is moot. White America is history and the whites cannot have any belief that is not socialist, liberal, and / or left of the political spectrum lest they be castigated on the premise they are racist.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

The real reason that most people won't cop to being a racist is due to the negative connotations our society has foisted on a gullible public. In reality, nobody agrees because most people are racist. It's just that it comes in degrees.

In the Atlanta area there is a radio station called V103. They dub themselves as the "Peoples Station." They have all of six songs that are indecipherable for the most part and their DJs harp on life from a black perspective (i.e. get out the black vote, Black Lives Matter, all things black in Atlanta.) It's a major radio station, BTW.

Those guys are openly black. Whether they like the moniker or not, they are racists. OTOH, when Donald Trump talks about building his wall and so forth, it has racial connotations since the real objective is to preserve our nation (which was founded by white guys.)

The downside is, because so much negative Pavlovian conditioning has taken place, the right has had to repeat the affirmation - "I don't care what color you are..." and, as a result (as Hitler once observed), if you tell a lie often enough you will believe the lie.

So now, the right has adopted this bastardized belief that they are the ultimate social liberals. Their standard bearer is for gay rights and wants to be inclusive with respect to the non-whites. On the surface, the ploy is to negate the racist allegations. But, at the end of the day, if anyone wants to preserve anything related to American history and /


or culture, the left is there to chant the racist mantra no matter how fair and equitable any outcome would be for them.

Unfortunately the whites bought into the snake oil they were fed and the entire subject is moot. White America is history and the whites cannot have any belief that is not socialist, liberal, and / or left of the political spectrum lest they be castigated on the premise they are racist.

To me racism is the denial of basic human rights based on race.

That is wrong.

All people have equal rights; all people are not equal.

Funny how diversity is celebrated, racial differences in intelligence are not celebrated.

 

[Drumcollie]

Hell, what is racism?

There is not even an accepted definition.

You have to ask in this day and age?

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

and the federal govt standard

Race discrimination involves treating someone (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because he/she is of a certain race or because of personal characteristics associated with race (such as hair texture, skin color, or certain facial features). Color discrimination involves treating someone unfavorably because of skin color complexion.

Race/color discrimination also can involve treating someone unfavorably because the person is married to (or associated with) a person of a certain race or color.

Discrimination can occur when the victim and the person who inflicted the discrimination are the same race or color.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/race_color.cf

So yes their are accepted definitions

1. Is based on languaging standards(dictionary)

2. Is based on employment standards(Federal Govt)

And real life looks at your history and says:

what is the platforms that your party has stood for:

The Democrats:

Slavery.

Secession over slavery

Segregation

KKK

Against civil rights

Welfare...aka slave to the state

 

[TheResister]

To me racism is the denial of basic human rights based on race.

That is wrong.

All people have equal rights; all people are not equal.

Funny how diversity is celebrated, racial differences in intelligence are not celebrated.

So, would it be your opinion that the blacks that don't allow the KKK to hold public rallies are racists?

 

[Wolfert Webber]

You have to ask in this day and age?

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

and the federal govt standard

Race discrimination involves treating someone (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because he/she is of a certain race or because of personal characteristics associated with race (such as hair texture, skin color, or certain facial features). Color discrimination involves treating someone unfavorably because of skin color complexion.

Race/color discrimination also can involve treating someone unfavorably because the person is married to (or associated with) a person of a certain race or color.

Discrimination can occur when the victim and the person who inflicted the discrimination are the same race or color.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/race_color.cf

So yes their are accepted definitions

1. Is based on languaging standards(dictionary)

2. Is based on employment standards(Federal Govt)

And real life looks at your history and says:

what is the platforms that your party has stood for:

The Democrats:

Slavery.

Secession over slavery

Segregation

KKK

Against civil rights

Welfare...aka slave to the state

So, would it be your opinion that the blacks that don't allow the KKK to hold public rallies are racists?

Of course.

 

[TheResister]

Of course.

Okay. Nobody can accuse of racism if you're applying the principle equally across the board. FWIW, that's my take on it.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

Okay. Nobody can accuse of racism if you're applying the principle equally across the board. FWIW, that's my take on it.

I have no problem with BLM exercising their rights, until they turn into Black Loot More.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hell, what is racism?

There is not even an accepted definition.

Buzzword Coined by Class Supremacist WASPs

It's a mandated word that is illegitimate because it can't be modified as either justified or unjustified. Its dishonest meaning signifies merely an "illusion" of inferiority.