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There are both costs and benefits but it is a fact that illegal immigrants are a small net gain economically.

Culturally there is no distinction between legal and illegal......they are part of what makes America great.
No, you assertion is NOT fact. And who cares about "culturally"? We are a nation of laws. You want a fact? Any illegal alien who entered the country illegally is a criminal.
 
No, you assertion is NOT fact. And who cares about "culturally"? We are a nation of laws. You want a fact? Any illegal alien who entered the country illegally is a criminal.
They are criminals in the same way that anyone who ever drove home after having a few beers in their college years is a criminal.....the same way that anyone who has ever go e 75mph in 55 mph zone is a criminal.

Big deal.
 
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They are criminals in the same way that anyone who ever drove home after having a few beers in their college years is a criminal.....the same way that anyone who has ever go e 75mph in 55 mph zone is a criminal.

Big deal.
Entering our country illegally is a big deal, as is tax evasion and identity theft. And again, it is NOT a fact that illegal aliens are a net gain to this country. But it appears you have conceded that issue. Good for you.
 
Entering our country illegally is a big deal, as is tax evasion and identity theft. And again, it is NOT a fact that illegal aliens are a net gain to this country. But it appears you have conceded that issue. Good for you.
Actually no it is not a big deal. It is a misdemeanor just like the other things I mentioned.

And thereare both costs and benefits of illegal immigration. Combined, the result is a small economic NET gain.
 
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Actually no it is not a big deal. It is a misdemeanor just like the other things I mentioned.

And thereare both costs and benefits of illegal immigration. Combined, the result is a small economic NET gain.
Your opinion is noted.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
What a horrible crime. Also shows what a sh1t hole Mexico is- 33,000 homicides last year. It's pretty much a narco state at this point. We need to keep these savages out.
so now you believe mexican people have a "savage" gene. is it different than the one Hitler had or all the black people a lot of right wingers talk about here from Chicago? so when Trump said when Mexico sends us its people, which is a lie, they come here for the same reason everybody else's ancestors came here, to find a better life, they are killers, rapists, gangbanging drug members and SOME, HE ASSUMES, good people?

are you proud to be as stupid and bigoted as Trump about how different races are inherently more savage than others? here are the murder rates (per capita) of Mexico and US and a few other countries so well known even you and Trump have heard of them and can even spell them.

here is Mexico and its ranking among high murder rates-
rank country rate
22 Mexico 21.5

now the US, much lower- (the same as Latvia and Niger)

111 United States of America 4.7 (about 20% of Mexico's)

180 Serbia 1.2 (about 25% of ours)

183 Australia 1.1 (about 25% of ours)

204 Algeria 0.7 (about 15% of ours)

so compared to those countries, the US has about as many times more savages in it than Mexico has savages in it, compared to this country.

Are you sure race or genetics has ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH HOMICIDES AND VIOLENCE?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html
 
so now you believe mexican people have a "savage" gene. is it different than the one Hitler had or all the black people a lot of right wingers talk about here from Chicago? so when Trump said when Mexico sends us its people, which is a lie, they come here for the same reason everybody else's ancestors came here, to find a better life, they are killers, rapists, gangbanging drug members and SOME, HE ASSUMES, good people?

are you proud to be as stupid and bigoted as Trump about how different races are inherently more savage than others? here are the murder rates (per capita) of Mexico and US and a few other countries so well known even you and Trump have heard of them and can even spell them.

here is Mexico and its ranking among high murder rates-
rank country rate
22 Mexico 21.5

now the US, much lower- (the same as Latvia and Niger)

111 United States of America 4.7 (about 20% of Mexico's)

180 Serbia 1.2 (about 25% of ours)

183 Australia 1.1 (about 25% of ours)

204 Algeria 0.7 (about 15% of ours)

so compared to those countries, the US has about as many times more savages in it than Mexico has savages in it, compared to this country.

Are you sure race or genetics has ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH HOMICIDES AND VIOLENCE?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html
Check the crime stats by race and you tell me.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Your opinion is noted.
and is correct, according to the most respected business school in this country, which Trump attended but only got a BA in, not a degree from the actual Business School of Wharton-

Undocumented America: The Truth of Illegal Immigration | Fox ...

https://www.foxbusiness.com › features › undocumented-america-the-truth-o...

Nov 4, 2016 - Nearly two years ago, José, an undocumented immigrant whose name ... the state of the American economy, Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda, director of the ... of management at The Wharton School and director of Wharton's ... “So on balance, this effect of immigration kind of nets out to be beneficial to the economy.”

The Effects of Immigration on the United States' Economy ...

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu › issues › the-effects-of-immigrati...

Jun 27, 2016 - Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, ... Penn Wharton Budget Model ... of immigration are clear: Economic analysis finds little support for the .... Log capital services per worker and trend, business sector. .... undocumented — are net positive contributors to the federal budget.

Did Trump lie about having an MBA from Wharton? - Quora

https://www.quora.com › Did-Trump-lie-about-having-an-MBA-from-Whart...

7 answers
But Trump did not get an MBA from Wharton; he has a much less prestigious undergraduate degree. He was a transfer student who arrived at Wharton after two ...

Here's Why Donald Trump Doesn't Want Anyone To Know His ...

https://www.forbes.com › sites › christopherrim › 2019/02/28 › heres-why...

Feb 28, 2019 - Trump has a reputation for projection, so it's possible his vocal criticisms ... his undergraduate degree at the Wharton School at the University of ...
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Check the crime stats by race and you tell me.
so environment and education have nothing to do with murders and violence. are you taking drugs right now?

what was the homicide rate of people living in foreign countries invaded by Hitler and the Nazis? a million times higher than the homicide rate of foreigners killed by mexicans or by blacks or by australians.

weren't most of the nazis white boys? how do you explain them killing millions? and torturing millions and gassing millions of jews for being jewish? because they were white?
 

EatTheRich

President
What a horrible crime. Also shows what a sh1t hole Mexico is- 33,000 homicides last year. It's pretty much a narco state at this point. We need to keep these savages out.
What we need to do is address the social conditions that underlie this alarming statistic (assuming it is accurate).
 

Dawg

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Actually no it is not a big deal. It is a misdemeanor just like the other things I mentioned.

And thereare both costs and benefits of illegal immigration. Combined, the result is a small economic NET gain.
No, you're wrong as usual. Getting a speeding ticket is a one-time event that is over once a person pays the ticket. Entering the country illegally and staying is far more like trespassing. When one trespasses, as long as they are on that property they've trespassed on, they continue to be a trespasser and at risk for being sanctioned for their actions. You leftists SUCK at comparisons. The only question is, is it due to dishonesty or ignorance?

I say it's both. Nice try. Now tell me again how identity fraud and tax evasion are good for the country. And tell me how sticking law-abiding Americans and LEGAL residents with the bill for health care for illegal aliens is a good thing. Better yet, scream your position throughout the 2020 campaign. Just make sure you tell everyone you're a DemocRAT.
 
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so now you believe mexican people have a "savage" gene. is it different than the one Hitler had or all the black people a lot of right wingers talk about here from Chicago? so when Trump said when Mexico sends us its people, which is a lie, they come here for the same reason everybody else's ancestors came here, to find a better life, they are killers, rapists, gangbanging drug members and SOME, HE ASSUMES, good people?

are you proud to be as stupid and bigoted as Trump about how different races are inherently more savage than others? here are the murder rates (per capita) of Mexico and US and a few other countries so well known even you and Trump have heard of them and can even spell them.

here is Mexico and its ranking among high murder rates-
rank country rate
22 Mexico 21.5

now the US, much lower- (the same as Latvia and Niger)

111 United States of America 4.7 (about 20% of Mexico's)

180 Serbia 1.2 (about 25% of ours)

183 Australia 1.1 (about 25% of ours)

204 Algeria 0.7 (about 15% of ours)

so compared to those countries, the US has about as many times more savages in it than Mexico has savages in it, compared to this country.

Are you sure race or genetics has ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH HOMICIDES AND VIOLENCE?

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html
As your opening sentence is a blatant lie, I see no need to read further.
 
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and is correct, according to the most respected business school in this country, which Trump attended but only got a BA in, not a degree from the actual Business School of Wharton-

Undocumented America: The Truth of Illegal Immigration | Fox ...

https://www.foxbusiness.com › features › undocumented-america-the-truth-o...

Nov 4, 2016 - Nearly two years ago, José, an undocumented immigrant whose name ... the state of the American economy, Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda, director of the ... of management at The Wharton School and director of Wharton's ... “So on balance, this effect of immigration kind of nets out to be beneficial to the economy.”

The Effects of Immigration on the United States' Economy ...

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu › issues › the-effects-of-immigrati...

Jun 27, 2016 - Immigration also has a net positive effect on combined federal, state, ... Penn Wharton Budget Model ... of immigration are clear: Economic analysis finds little support for the .... Log capital services per worker and trend, business sector. .... undocumented — are net positive contributors to the federal budget.

Did Trump lie about having an MBA from Wharton? - Quora

https://www.quora.com › Did-Trump-lie-about-having-an-MBA-from-Whart...

7 answers
But Trump did not get an MBA from Wharton; he has a much less prestigious undergraduate degree. He was a transfer student who arrived at Wharton after two ...

Here's Why Donald Trump Doesn't Want Anyone To Know His ...

https://www.forbes.com › sites › christopherrim › 2019/02/28 › heres-why...

Feb 28, 2019 - Trump has a reputation for projection, so it's possible his vocal criticisms ... his undergraduate degree at the Wharton School at the University of ...
No, it's not news that in several instances, liberals have gotten together to tell us how identity theft, tax evasion, sending money out of the US and draining our resources is actually good for the country. And apparently, there are plenty of suckers willing to believe it.
 
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AOK

I also note that @The Thinker and @Marcus Aurelius dislikes my post!

WHY??
Good morning! How are you today??? I'm doing GREAT! Once again, I detest this violence- and without regard for the demographics of the victims or the perpetrators. What is your position on the actual topic?

To answer your question "why".... because you post off-topic nonsense. What are your thoughts on the actual topic? So far, we don't even know whether you support Mormons being murdered. And given you're a liberal, there's certainly a basis to wonder.
 
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llovejim

Current Champion
No, you're wrong as usual. Getting a speeding ticket is a one-time event that is over once a person pays the ticket. Entering the country illegally and staying is far more like trespassing. When one trespasses, as long as they are on that property they've trespassed on, they continue to be a trespasser and at risk for being sanctioned for their actions. You leftists SUCK at comparisons. The only question is, is it due to dishonesty or ignorance?

I say it's both. Nice try. Now tell me again how identity fraud and tax evasion are good for the country. And tell me how sticking law-abiding Americans and LEGAL residents with the bill for health care for illegal aliens is a good thing. Better yet, scream your position throughout the 2020 campaign. Just make sure you tell everyone you're a DemocRAT.
what identity fraud? the ones americans commit, hardly any people not from this country are capable of committing due to their lack of english and law and connections? do you see how goofy you are to think illegals coming here to find work as manual laborers so they can feed their family and live a better life are not really equipped to be able to commit identity fraud even if they wanted to.

the point is, most Americans who bitch about illegals have no real reason to except prejudice and bias. the vast majority of them come here for the same reason everybody's great great grandparents came here for, to take a risk going to a foreign country because you have a greater chance of making a better life for yourself and your family....and yet most Americans call those immigrants heroes and risk takers, and call the Mexicans killers, rapists, and SOME, they assume, good people.

it is just goddamn bigotry.

it is true a lot of illegals get social security cards, but that is not identity fraud. but it is a reason why the amount of money illegals add to the SS trust fund and never take out is about 13 billion per year....given how greedy most trump voters are, you would think they would applaud this...

Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social ...

https://www.marketplace.org › 2019/01/28 › undocumented-immigrants-q...

Jan 28, 2019 - How much? ... undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds ... Since undocumented immigrants don't have Social Security ... But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in ...
 
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what identity fraud? the ones americans commit, hardly any people not from this country are capable of committing due to their lack of english and law and connections? do you see how goofy you are to think illegals coming here to find work as manual laborers so they can feed their family and live a better life are not really equipped to be able to commit identity fraud even if they wanted to.

the point is, most Americans who bitch about illegals have no real reason to except prejudice and bias. the vast majority of them come here for the same reason everybody's great great grandparents came here for, to take a risk going to a foreign country because you have a greater chance of making a better life for yourself and your family....and yet most Americans call those immigrants heroes and risk takers, and call the Mexicans killers, rapists, and SOME, they assume, good people.

it is just goddamn bigotry.

it is true a lot of illegals get social security cards, but that is not identity fraud. but it is a reason why the amount of money illegals add to the SS trust fund and never take out is about 13 billion per year....given how greedy most trump voters are, you would think they would applaud this...

Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social ...

https://www.marketplace.org › 2019/01/28 › undocumented-immigrants-q...

Jan 28, 2019 - How much? ... undocumented immigrants contributed $13 billion into the Social Security funds ... Since undocumented immigrants don't have Social Security ... But many undocumented immigrants do file with an ITIN to be in ...
Getting a fake Social Security card is identity theft and fraud. Period.
 
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