Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yes, because the government has a well established track record of being forced into acting against their agenda. Oops!
Impeachment is a complete fiasco...
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Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
What he "understood" was that people like "free stuff." The idea that it makes him some sort of "genius" is insipid.
georgephillip
Senator
I think "ownership" is the key word.
There is an un-mistakenly feudal origin to the concept of corporate ownership:
http://www.marjoriekelly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Vol15No34TheCorporationasFeudalEstate.pdf
"Like a feudal estate) a corporation is considered a piece of property) not a human community) so it can be owned and sold by the propertied class..."
"Power of this sort has an unmistakable feel of the ancient.
"Ownership-that bundle of concepts we also label 'property rights'-is an antique tradition that comes down to us from the aristocratic era, when the landed class was the privileged class by virtue of its wealth in property.
"To own land was to be master.
"And in the master's view, what was owned was subordinate, as in the imperial presumption that India was a 'possession' of the throne of England.
"Or the feudal presumption that lords could own serfs, like so much livestock."
georgephillip
Senator
EatTheRich
President
They sure do. Starting (with this government) with the enactment of the Bill of Rights in response to the inability to get the Constitution ratified without winning support from the urban masses.
EatTheRich
President
Try reading him some time. You might find out that the reality differs quite a bit from your caricature. After that, try reading any academic history of any workers’ state.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Ah, but you are talking about SMALL government there. Of course small government is responsive to the people. That government you are referring to stopped being "small" in the early 1900s.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Where did I ever say anything that would lead you to suggest such a silly notion?You fell for this?
EatTheRich
President
Which means that now instead of mobs taking it on, the only domestic forces capable of compelling its submission are the unions and the mutinous armed forces.
The Constitution replaced a weak, confederate union under the Articles of Confederation with a strong, federal government.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Well, the multi-national corporations can. Which is why the only unions that can do so are the government unions.
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/479400-union-membership-falls-to-record-low-of-103-percent
Maybe you should start supporting smaller government too...
EatTheRich
President
Private-sector unions are more powerful because they can strike (thereby bringing any multinational corporation to its knees) more readily both legally and because they have more of the economy in their hands.
Union membership is declining as a consequence of conservative union leaderships that put immediate short-range benefits for their members ahead of a fight for workers’ political power, thus giving the ruling class (you know, the one that controls the state) the upper hand and allowing them to mount a counter-offensive against the long-term organizing drive. Similar to how Stalin and his political heirs set back the cause of socialism by retreating from world revolution into a conservative-nationalist holding pattern.
As a communist, I support the total elimination of the state.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You sure seem to spend a lot of time here defending it...
EatTheRich
President
link?
georgephillip
Senator
What's your prediction if Trump wins a second term with Dems in control of the House and Senate?
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
More resistance and continued divisiveness.
georgephillip
Senator
Millionaires created Big Government.
https://prospect.org/economy/gilded-ages-end/
"The historical record in the United States is consistent with comparative evidence on other wealthy democracies, which also shows that public policies can limit inequality while promoting growth, even under the pressures of technological change and globalization.
"The most visible of those methods involve taxes, spending programs, and monetary policy, but just as important are all the ways in which government sets the rules of the market and thereby affects the incomes that people derive from it.
"These are the rules that shape labor relations, credit and debt, financial institutions, corporate structure, antitrust, international trade, intellectual property rights, liability, and other aspects of economic life."
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The millionaires didn't create big government - the (anti-capitalist) progressives did. As it got bigger and the stakes grew, with more and more narcissists with anti-social personality disorders seeking to use it to gain power over others, the millionaires realized they could use their money to buy influence over them. One hand washes the other...Millionaires created Big Government.
https://prospect.org/economy/gilded-ages-end/
"The historical record in the United States is consistent with comparative evidence on other wealthy democracies, which also shows that public policies can limit inequality while promoting growth, even under the pressures of technological change and globalization.
"The most visible of those methods involve taxes, spending programs, and monetary policy, but just as important are all the ways in which government sets the rules of the market and thereby affects the incomes that people derive from it.
"These are the rules that shape labor relations, credit and debt, financial institutions, corporate structure, antitrust, international trade, intellectual property rights, liability, and other aspects of economic life."
georgephillip
Senator
The Civil War and the transcontinental railroad created millionaires and big government. Progressives have been battling the eternal evolution of democracy into oligarchy ever since, imho.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
"In the early 20th century Robert Michels developed the theory that democracies, as all large organizations, have a tendency to turn into oligarchies.
"In his 'Iron law of oligarchy' he suggests that the necessary division of labor in large organizations leads to the establishment of a ruling class mostly concerned with protecting their own power."
