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Is John McCain senile or is this just politics?

John McCain has been on TV telling us how much he is against Obama's decision to trade dangerous prisoners for Bergdahl. How these are the worst of the worst terrorists and it endangers all of our soldiers. Yet, there are videos of this same John McCain just a few months ago saying that he would be inclined to approve this same deal that he is now saying he is against. He even mentions the fact that the Taliban fighters that would be released in the trade were some of the most dangerous. So, is John McCain senile and can't remember that he approved the same deal that Obama made or is this just politics as usual?
 

Number_58

I'm one of the deplorables lefty warns you about.
John McCain needs to be voted out of office...he hasn't been able to make up his mind and take a stand for over 20 years. He's not senile...he's an establishment Republican. Establishment Republicans are about as worthless as the majority of Democrats...
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
John McCain has been on TV telling us how much he is against Obama's decision to trade dangerous prisoners for Bergdahl. How these are the worst of the worst terrorists and it endangers all of our soldiers. Yet, there are videos of this same John McCain just a few months ago saying that he would be inclined to approve this same deal that he is now saying he is against. He even mentions the fact that the Taliban fighters that would be released in the trade were some of the most dangerous. So, is John McCain senile and can't remember that he approved the same deal that Obama made or is this just politics as usual?
Link?
 

SW48

Administrator
Staff member
Supporting Member
McCain is a disgrace. Here's the clip when he said he was for a Taliban/Bergdahl swap before Obama did that, following which Grumpy was against it...

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/john-mccain-flip-flops-sgt-bergdahl-swap
Bugsy, thanks for the link. Its too bad it doesn't keep going to make sure the context of what he actually says but he does appear to be insane and a major flip flopper.

Its hard to believe this bergdahl thing is political. But it appears that way.

Everyone should agree it sets a bad precedence and endangers anyone travelling overseas who will look more like a target now since the war on terror is far from over.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
So, let me get this straight.

If an elected person flips on a subject, supports it then later does not... that means they are insane, a flip-flopper, and should not be in office, right?


Obama...
  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.

At what point do the liberals here begin to demand Obama be removed, and declare him insane?

Oh, wait, I know... 'that's just different', right?

Dumb asses.
 

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
http://www.redstate.com/2014/06/04/john-mccain-gets-unfair-criticism-bergdahl-swap/

In all fairness, McCain’s defense about the “details” has a substantial amount of contemporaneous support. Drawing upon the suddenly popular Rolling Stone article by Michael Hastings called America’s Last Prisoner of War. Mind you this is from June 2012.

Officially, Bowe remains a soldier in good standing in the United States Army. He has continued to receive promotions over the past three years, based on his time in uniform, and he now holds the rank of sergeant. Unofficially, however, his status within the military is sharply contested. According to officials familiar with the internal debate, there are those in both Congress and the Pentagon who view Bowe as a deserter, and perhaps even a traitor. As with everything in Washington these days, the sharp political discord has complicated efforts to secure his release.

“The Hill is giving State and the White House shit,” says one senior administration source. “The political consequences are being used as leverage in the policy debate.” According to White House sources, Marc Grossman, who replaced Richard Holbrooke as special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, was given a direct warning by the president’s opponents in Congress about trading Bowe for five Taliban prisoners during an election year. “They keep telling me it’s going to be Obama’s Willie Horton moment,” Grossman warned the White House. The threat was as ugly as it was clear: The president’s political enemies were prepared to use the release of violent prisoners to paint Obama as a Dukakis-like appeaser, just as Republicans did to the former Massachusetts governor during the 1988 campaign. In response, a White House official advised Grossman that he should ignore the politics of the swap and concentrate solely on the policy.

“Frankly, we don’t give a shit why he left,” says one White House official. “He’s an American soldier. We want to bring him home.”

The tensions came to a boil in January, when administration officials went to Capitol Hill to brief a handful of senators on the possibility of a prisoner exchange. The meeting, which excluded staffers, took place in a new secure conference room in the Capitol visitor center. According to sources in the briefing, the discussion sparked a sharp exchange between Senators John McCain and John Kerry, both of whom were decorated for their service in Vietnam. McCain, who endured almost six years of captivity as a prisoner of war, threw a fit at the prospect of releasing five Taliban detainees.

“They’re the five biggest murderers in world history!” McCain fumed.

Kerry, who supported the transfer, thought that was going a bit far. “John,” he said, “the five biggest murderers in the world?”

McCain was furious at the rebuke. “They killed Americans!” he responded. “I suppose Senator Kerry is OK with that?”

McCain reluctantly came around on the prisoner exchange, according to those present at the meeting, but he has continued to speak out against negotiating with the Taliban. Opposition has also come from Sen. Saxby Chambliss, a Republican from Georgia who won election with a vicious smear campaign against former Sen. Max Cleland, a decorated Vietnam veteran who lost three limbs in the war. Chambliss, according to Bowe’s father, has insisted that America shouldn’t make a prisoner trade for a “deserter.”​

So despite my personal misgivings about Senator McCain, it appears that he’s getting a bad rap on Bergdahl. It appears that McCain might have supported a swap of prisoners for Bergdahl but it is highly unlikely that he would have supported releasing these particular men.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member
So, let me get this straight.

If an elected person flips on a subject, supports it then later does not... that means they are insane, a flip-flopper, and should not be in office, right?


Obama...
  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.
At what point do the liberals here begin to demand Obama be removed, and declare him insane?

Oh, wait, I know... 'that's just different', right?

Dumb asses.
Obama has been a disappointment, but imagine if McCain were president.
 
John McCain has been on TV telling us how much he is against Obama's decision to trade dangerous prisoners for Bergdahl. How these are the worst of the worst terrorists and it endangers all of our soldiers. Yet, there are videos of this same John McCain just a few months ago saying that he would be inclined to approve this same deal that he is now saying he is against. He even mentions the fact that the Taliban fighters that would be released in the trade were some of the most dangerous. So, is John McCain senile and can't remember that he approved the same deal that Obama made or is this just politics as usual?
link to the video please. you've been caught lying so many times in the past.
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
So, let me get this straight.

If an elected person flips on a subject, supports it then later does not... that means they are insane, a flip-flopper, and should not be in office, right?


Obama...
  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.
At what point do the liberals here begin to demand Obama be removed, and declare him insane?

Oh, wait, I know... 'that's just different', right?

Dumb asses.
Exactly when did Obama vote against the Patriot Act?
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
link to the video please. you've been caught lying so many times in the past.

He already linked it...but you need coddling.


COOPER: Would you oppose the idea of some form of negotiations or prisoner exchange? I know back in 2012 you called the idea of even negotiating with the Taliban bizarre, highly questionable.

MCCAIN: Well, at that time the proposal was that they would release -- Taliban, some of them really hard-core, particularly five really hard-core Taliban leaders, as a confidence- building measure. Now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our American fighting man. I would be inclined to support such a thing depending on a lot of the details.


http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/john-mccain-flip-flops-sgt-bergdahl-swap
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
So, let me get this straight.

If an elected person flips on a subject, supports it then later does not... that means they are insane, a flip-flopper, and should not be in office, right?


Obama...
  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.
  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.
  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.
  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.
  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.
  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.
  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.
  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.
  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.
At what point do the liberals here begin to demand Obama be removed, and declare him insane?

Oh, wait, I know... 'that's just different', right?

Dumb asses.
This isn't about whether Obama or anybody else met his campaign promises.

This is about Grumpy McRage doing a complete flip-flop on the Bergdahl for Taliban swap.
 

MrMike

Bless you all
He's reached the point he needed to be benched long ago. I'd opt for "he's senile"...

John McCain has been on TV telling us how much he is against Obama's decision to trade dangerous prisoners for Bergdahl. How these are the worst of the worst terrorists and it endangers all of our soldiers. Yet, there are videos of this same John McCain just a few months ago saying that he would be inclined to approve this same deal that he is now saying he is against. He even mentions the fact that the Taliban fighters that would be released in the trade were some of the most dangerous. So, is John McCain senile and can't remember that he approved the same deal that Obama made or is this just politics as usual?
 
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