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Is Russia engaged in a disinformation campaign against the United States?

Mick

The Right is always right
bullshit. Page emailed the campaign that it was more than a brief conversation.
Link? Page also described himself as a close confidant of Putin which we know was a lie. The guy enjoyed fabricating and exaggerating his importance.....which was probably why he never made it past unpaid volunteer and was booted from the campaign by late summer. Let's stay on facts here. When some start deviating into the crazed conspiratorial alt-left propaganda world and its psychosis we need to quickly get back on track. That's straight derangement.

Page never met with Medvedev during his Moscow trip. He briefly met with Medvedev's deputy and exchanged pleasantries.....and that was only because the guy was speaking at the same convention. They happened to be there together. This was PUBLIC information. Steele and/or his foreign disinformation sources took this public knowledge and perverted it. You foolishly continue to lap it up. It says a lot about them and you.

A low left wing IQ can be a nasty affliction! :D
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Link? Page also described himself as a close confidant of Putin which we know was a lie. The guy enjoyed fabricating and exaggerating his importance.....which was probably why he never made it past unpaid volunteer and was booted from the campaign by late summer. Let's stay on facts here. When some start deviating into the crazed conspiratorial alt-left propaganda world and its psychosis we need to quickly get back on track. That's straight derangement.

Page never met with Medvedev during his Moscow trip. He briefly met with Medvedev's deputy and exchanged pleasantries.....and that was only because the guy was speaking at the same convention. They happened to be there together. This was PUBLIC information. Steele and/or his foreign disinformation sources took this public knowledge and perverted it. You foolishly continue to lap it up. It says a lot about them and you.

A low left wing IQ can be a nasty affliction! :D
Fascinating. You say Carter Page was lying, and you then bash Steele for repeating what he said.

You may have a point - no one should ever believe a word that is uttered by a Trump crony.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Fascinating. You say Carter Page was lying, and you then bash Steele for repeating what he said.
Think of what you just posted you low IQ simpleton. You thought bashing a liar for quoting a liar was "fascinating". We need to squash these low IQ bugs. Scourge to humanity.

Lulz
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Think of what you just posted you low IQ simpleton. You thought bashing a liar for quoting a liar was "fascinating". We need to squash these low IQ bugs. Scourge to humanity.

Lulz
Actually, low IQ posters post the same drivel over and over again.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
You people can’t decide on your positions. You alternate between claiming the dossier is a pack of lies and claiming it reported on already known facts.
There is no "alternating". The alternating comes from you for ignoring the inaccuracies and then pretending the known facts were some sort of revelation. It's the same of a mentally ill individual.

What's this akin to? It's akin to taking a posting from someone online dated November 15,2018 that predicted the Boston Red Sox were going to win the 2018 World Series. You begin to hype it over and over that this person had great insight because they got it right (fact is they posted it AFTER the Red Sox had already won). A week later he posted the Chicago Cubs were going to win the 2019 World Series. The Washington Nationals eventually won.

You hype this guy as being knowledgeable and a great prognosticator because he got 1/2 of the Series winner's right. Problem is the one he got right was already public knowledge when he predicted it and the 2nd one was completely and utterly wrong. You continue to back him anyway.

This is exactly your deranged adoration for Christopher Steele. Nothing in the dossier has come to fruition that wasn't already public knowledge. Zero. None of it. Most of it debunked. Yet, here you are clinging to it. What does that say about your mental health? You realize how you look to the world, right? Good God.

But the many Trump/Kremlin contacts were kept secret by Trump and the Kremlin. And that was the essence of the dossier.
So now that the accusations posted in the dossier have been proven you you are now clinging to the "essence" of it? ROFL!! Problem was the "essence" of it and those conspiracies regarding the Trump campaign were already being spewed by the mentally ill alt-left in the spring and summer of 2016. There was nothing there. You were and still ARE in the middle of this mentally sick, deranged shit.

You've got issues, man.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
There is no "alternating". The alternating comes from you for ignoring the inaccuracies and then pretending the known facts were some sort of revelation. It's the same of a mentally ill individual.

What's this akin to? It's akin to taking a posting from someone online dated November 15,2018 that predicted the Boston Red Sox were going to win the 2018 World Series. You begin to hype it over and over that this person had great insight because they got it right (fact is they posted it AFTER the Red Sox had already won). A week later he posted the Chicago Cubs were going to win the 2019 World Series. The Washington Nationals eventually won.

You hype this guy as being knowledgeable and a great prognosticator because he got 1/2 of the Series winner's right. Problem is the one he got right was already public knowledge when he predicted it and the 2nd one was completely and utterly wrong. You continue to back him anyway.

This is exactly your deranged adoration for Christopher Steele. Nothing in the dossier has come to fruition that wasn't already public knowledge. Zero. None of it. Most of it debunked. Yet, here you are clinging to it. What does that say about your mental health? You realize how you look to the world, right? Good God.



So now that the accusations posted in the dossier have been proven you you are now clinging to the "essence" of it? ROFL!! Problem was the "essence" of it and those conspiracies regarding the Trump campaign were already being spewed by the mentally ill alt-left in the spring and summer of 2016. There was nothing there. You were and still ARE in the middle of this mentally sick, deranged shit.

You've got issues, man.
Complete nonsense, of course. The central thrust of the dossier was reporting on the Kremlin’s illegal interference and the many suspicious ties between the Kremlin and Team Trump. Those things were not known before the dossier revealed them. Indeed, Trump and his assistant liars still deny them despite the fact that they have been corroborated.

But you can’t decide what story to tell - you alternate between claiming the dossier reported previously known facts, and denying that they are facts at all. Your positions are incoherent.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Complete nonsense, of course. The central thrust of the dossier was reporting on the Kremlin’s illegal interference and the many suspicious ties between the Kremlin and Team Trump. Those things were not known before the dossier revealed them.
Bwahahahaha. Bullshit. Here is an article from July 21, 2016 that calls Trump and Putin a "bromance" and already is passing alt-left conspiracies that Hillary Clinton is running against Putin:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/clinton-trump-putin-nato/492332/

Are you really this goddamn dumb? These conspiracies were already put out by your ilk. NOTHING in there wasn't in the public sphere. Several of the specific conspiracies are made up.

But I guess the guy who predicted the 2018 World Series AFTER it happened and whiffed on the 2019 World Series is the "great prognosticator" too. You just aren't mentally well enough to help yourself.

But you can’t decide what story to tell - you alternate between claiming the dossier reported previously known facts, and denying that they are facts at all. Your positions are incoherent.
There is no alternating. It's been straight up clear in the beginning. There has only been rationalizing and lies from the alt-left. The dossier took public information, perverted it in some sort of conspiracy, and spit it back out. Full of lies and propaganda. You continue to believe it. The thing is Steele knew there would be Americans dumb enough to actually believe that nonsense. Unbelievable that 3 years later you are still believing it. That's a sign of a very sick, extremely low IQ'd individual.

I've asked you plain and simple to show me anything the dossier stated that wasn't already being circulated in left wing circles in the summer of 2016. You have not been able to provide anything.....even your "essence" blew up in your ugly mug. LMFAO. Meanwhile, I have specifically refuted MANY things.

Kid, give it up. You are just humiliating yourself. Take that welfare check and go to McDonald's for lunch. Do something besides sit in that tiny, low-income apartment typing insane nonsense all day. It's not good for your mental health. Get out for once.
 
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Bugsy McGurk

President
Bwahahahaha. Bullshit. Here is an article from July 21, 2016 that calls Trump and Putin a "bromance" and already is passing alt-left conspiracies that Hillary Clinton is running against Putin:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/07/clinton-trump-putin-nato/492332/

Are you really this goddamn dumb? These conspiracies were already put out by your ilk. NOTHING in there wasn't in the public sphere. Several of the specific conspiracies are made up.

But I guess the guy who predicted the 2018 World Series AFTER it happened and whiffed on the 2019 World Series is the "great prognosticator" too. You just aren't mentally well enough to help yourself.



There is no alternating. It's been straight up clear in the beginning. There has only been rationalizing and lies from the alt-left. The dossier took public information, perverted it in some sort of conspiracy, and spit it back out. Full of lies and propaganda. You continue to believe it. The thing is Steele knew there would be Americans dumb enough to actually believe that nonsense. Unbelievable that 3 years later you are still believing it. That's a sign of a very sick, extremely low IQ'd individual.

I've asked you plain and simple to show me anything the dossier stated that wasn't already being circulated in left wing circles in the summer of 2016. You have not been able to provide anything.....even your "essence" blew up in your ugly mug. LMFAO. Meanwhile, I have specifically refuted MANY things.

Kid, give it up. You are just humiliating yourself. Take that welfare check and go to McDonald's for lunch. Do something besides sit in that tiny apartment typing insane nonsense all day. It's not good for your mental health.
You simply repeat your incoherence - two positions that collide with each other. But you don’t respond to what I said.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
You simply repeat your incoherence - two positions that collide with each other. But you don’t respond to what I said.
Those are your final two brain cells smashing into each other, bug. Your inability to challenge anything I said is thoroughly noted. Your public humiliation is once again complete.

:D
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Those are your final two brain cells smashing into each other, bug. Your inability to challenge anything I said is thoroughly noted. Your public humiliation is once again complete.

:D
The Trumpian approach - accuse the other of your own shortcomings.

Throughout the campaign Trump denied the Kremlin/Trump election crime spree, with Trump saying it may have been a 400 pound fat guy sitting on his bed, not the Russians, and here you are claiming that Steele wrote of only well known facts months before. Again, your position is just incoherent. Nothing more can be said about it.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
The Trumpian approach - accuse the other of your own shortcomings.

Throughout the campaign Trump denied the Kremlin/Trump election crime spree, with Trump saying it may have been a 400 pound fat guy sitting on his bed, not the Russians, and here you are claiming that Steele wrote of only well known facts months before. Again, your position is just incoherent. Nothing more can be said about it.
Sorry, I provided you with a link showing your alt-left conspiracies long pre-dated Steele's writings. Your crying and anger about dealing with the facts is not my problem.

I've asked you to post something that was accurate or thought of in the dossier that wasn't already in alt-left conspiracy circles. You've not been able to provide one single item. Not even one. But with each post I'll bring up a fraudulent lie Steele made.

How was Cohen's trip to Prague again? *chuckles*
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Sorry, I provided you with a link showing your alt-left conspiracies long pre-dated Steele's writings. Your crying and anger about dealing with the facts is not my problem.

I've asked you to post something that was accurate or thought of in the dossier that wasn't already in alt-left conspiracy circles. You've not been able to provide one single item. Not even one. But with each post I'll bring up a fraudulent lie Steele made.

How was Cohen's trip to Prague again? *chuckles*
And again, you alternate between claiming the Steele lied about the Kremlin/Trump election crimes, and claiming that he only reported on already well known facts. You make no sense. As I just told you, Trump denied the Kremlin’s crimes throughout the campaign, and Steele wrote of them months earlier.

As to the report of a Cohen trip to Prague, that tangential report seems unfounded. It seems quite unlikely that Cohen was in Prague at that time. An open question is whether his phone was in Prague, as phone tracking was the source of the account.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
1. More people voted for Hillary than voted for Trump....so people's perceptions were that even with Hillary's baggage, she'd be a better president. She sucked as a candidate, but Trump, according to about 3 million more voters, sucked even more.

2. You keep trying to imply that somehow the 2012 jobs numbers were manipulated by BLS to help Obama. Here is what the ADP jobs report said...

ADP Numbers for September 2012:
Private sector jobs increased by a solid 162,000 jobs, however, this was less than the gain for August (which was initially reported at 201,000). August and July jobs numbers were revised slightly downwards. We will have to wait until Friday, October 5, to see if the ADP numbers are in line with the BLS jobs numbers that will be released that morning.

https://mollysmiddleamerica.blogspot.com/2012/10/adp-report-september-2012-162000-jobs.html

ADP Employment Report Says 158,000 Private Sector Jobs Gained for October 2012

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/adp-employment-report-says-158000-private-sector-jobs-gained-october-2012

But she lost! She ran up the tally in the socialist strongholds, and regardless, there may well have been some number of Hillary votes that were not legitimate.

Just one month before the 2012 election, the Obama campaign received a major illegal campaign contribution from the Commerce Department. The Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported on October 5, 2012 that the nation’s unemployment rate suddenly dropped sharply over the prior month, from 8.1% to 7.8%. That supposedly ended the longest period in the nation’s history with unemployment over 8%, except for the Great Depression, which occurred under President Obama.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/27/did-the-bls-give-obama-a-major-election-2012-gift/#262a2400583b

Is that why you used the ADP report, and ignored the BLS report? This is standard (disingenuous) operating procedure for you (unfortunately). You should know by now you can't get away with that in our discourse.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
But she lost! She ran up the tally in the socialist strongholds, and regardless, there may well have been some number of Hillary votes that were not legitimate.

Just one month before the 2012 election, the Obama campaign received a major illegal campaign contribution from the Commerce Department. The Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reported on October 5, 2012 that the nation’s unemployment rate suddenly dropped sharply over the prior month, from 8.1% to 7.8%. That supposedly ended the longest period in the nation’s history with unemployment over 8%, except for the Great Depression, which occurred under President Obama.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/11/27/did-the-bls-give-obama-a-major-election-2012-gift/#262a2400583b

Is that why you used the ADP report, and ignored the BLS report? This is standard (disingenuous) operating procedure for you (unfortunately). You should know by now you can't get away with that in our discourse.
Here is yet another source...showing the unemployment rate dropped from 8.1% on August 1st to 7.8% on Sept 1st...
https://www.multpl.com/unemployment/table/by-month


ADP Employment Report - 201,000 Private Sector Jobs for August 2012
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/adp-employment-report-201000-private-sector-jobs-august-2012

And you think that change of .3% was what cost Romney the job? At what point in 2012 was Romney polling ahead of Obama?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Here is yet another source...showing the unemployment rate dropped from 8.1% on August 1st to 7.8% on Sept 1st...
https://www.multpl.com/unemployment/table/by-month


ADP Employment Report - 201,000 Private Sector Jobs for August 2012
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/adp-employment-report-201000-private-sector-jobs-august-2012

And you think that change of .3% was what cost Romney the job? At what point in 2012 was Romney polling ahead of Obama?
Again, I would simply say - take it up with the experts:

There are two models I know of that employed multiple economic indices and no approval ratings: Bob Erikson and Chris Wlezien's leading economic indicator model and Nate Silver's economic index. Erikson and Wlezien's model simply takes into account continued quarter growth for elections since 1952, and uses the 10 leading economic variables (which are shown to be representative of overall strength in the economy), with quarters closer to the election weighted more heavily. Silver's model takes into account rolling averages of a month to a year of seven economic variables, which range from personal income growth to forecasted GDP to the stock market for elections since 1968.

The results of these models were remarkably similar: small Obama victories. Erikson and Wlezien, who authored the great book The Timeline of Presidential Elections: How Campaigns Do (and Do Not) Matter, actually overshot Obama's 3.9pt win by about a point, calling for a 5pt Obama victory. Silver's model slightly undershot it by having Obama take the election by about 3pt. The average of their results equals a 4pt Obama victory, or for Romney to hit the infamous 47%, which is pretty much where the numbers fell.

The average of the two most thorough economic models nailed the election results. This clearly indicates that given the economy, Obama should have won in 2012. A one or seven point victory would still indicate that 2012 was mostly about the economy – precision is more luck than anything else.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/mitt-romney-lost-election-because-of-economy

Note Silver's uses FORECASTED GDP - and the mostly Keynesian economic establishment was quite unanimous in their "predictions" that Obama's big government agenda would create the growth that never arrived. You are also arguing against perhaps the most astute political animal in our lifetimes:

Screenshot 2019-11-30 at 7.40.48 PM.png

Yes, I know it was actually James Carville's advice - but Clinton was smart enough to take that ball and run with it.
 

EatTheRich

President
Who said 'threat' ? No one here. But you.
The role of the Secretary of State’s office was to advise the president not to approve the sale only if the sale represented a threat to American diplomatic interests. Otherwise, the office was legally obligated to approve the sale, as the assistant to the assistant to Clinton’s assistant did, as a matter of routine, with no input from higher up.
 
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