Is this sustainable?

[PhilFish]

53 % of the nation lives in a household that pays federal income tax.

47% does not.

While just about every worker has taxes withheld, many people have the entire amount refunded at tax time. With child tax credits and earned income tax credits, some people get more money from filing a return than they paid in.

30 % of Americans live in households that receive some sort of public assistance that is means tested.

92 million people are on public assistance in one or more of its forms.

That includes 33 million children – or 45 percent of all the people under 18.

74 million people receive Medicaid. That is nearly one in four Americans.

34 million Americans receive food stamps or one in nine people.

Almost 20 million people live on cash welfare and 11 million live in public housing.


The data is from the U.S. Census Bureau for 2009. Today these are higher..

 

[Zarathustra]

Was the former Soviet Union sustainable?

Was Mao Zedong's China sustainable?

Is Greece sustainable?

Was Argentina circa 2001 sustainable?...................I think you get the idea.

 

[OldGaffer]

So the solution is to do away wth all those programs, lower taxes on the 1%, raise taxes on the poor and set up hobo jungles and workhouses around the country. Winger heaven!

 

[anti.reptile]

The Dems have worked hard to get here. Their base are the takers. Liberal social policy ruined the family. When I grew up almost all the black families in my hood were married couples. Now 70 % of black kids are born to single parent households. But hey at least they vote for the same dumb asses that put them where they are at.

 

[Cicero]

Yes, it is sustainable if you concede that the United States is gradually going to slip out of first nation status as its various socialism-based systems bog down the economy and cripple the capitalism-based economic machinery.

The thing is that it seems to be inevitable at this point. As technology advances machines and computer programs are able to do more work in all areas of human endeavors, meaning that more an more people are going to be permanently out of work even as the over all population continues to increase. You either feed, clothe, entertain, and give health benefits at government [taxpayer's] expense or you kill off the majority of them [unlikely] or you let them starve and so forth [unlikely].

Good news? I ain't got no stinkin' good news. Still it was a nice run as a superpower while it lasted.

 

[Dino]

Your party is working this angle, if you didn't already realize it. The propagation of the Democratic party relies on the growing dependency class.

Wake up!

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

53 % of the nation lives in a household that pays federal income tax.

47% does not.

While just about every worker has taxes withheld, many people have the entire amount refunded at tax time. With child tax credits and earned income tax credits, some people get more money from filing a return than they paid in.

30 % of Americans live in households that receive some sort of public assistance that is means tested.

92 million people are on public assistance in one or more of its forms.

That includes 33 million children – or 45 percent of all the people under 18.

74 million people receive Medicaid. That is nearly one in four Americans.

34 million Americans receive food stamps or one in nine people.

Almost 20 million people live on cash welfare and 11 million live in public housing.


The data is from the U.S. Census Bureau for 2009. Today these are higher..

I know a guy, friend of my co-worker, who spends 50 large once on average purchasing different art at auctions at least 5-6 times a year. Became 65 last month and going on Medicare.
So after some adjustments and eliminating lies and demagoguery , yes it is sustainable...

 

[PhilFish]

who said that? zzzzzz...

 

[PhilFish]

I am happy to engage where it makes sense... this makes no sense..
What does 50 large at an art auction have to do with anything?

 

[Zarathustra]

The Anasazi Indian culture of the Chaco Canyon period circa 1200 of the American Southwest disappeared before Columbus.

Anthropolgists have cited excessive taxation and government spending as one of the main causes of Anasazi collapse.

You people think America is "exceptional".....and "different"...............but history will have the last word.

 

[Doc]

53 % of the nation lives in a household that pays federal income tax.

47% does not.

While just about every worker has taxes withheld, many people have the entire amount refunded at tax time. With child tax credits and earned income tax credits, some people get more money from filing a return than they paid in.

30 % of Americans live in households that receive some sort of public assistance that is means tested.

92 million people are on public assistance in one or more of its forms.

That includes 33 million children – or 45 percent of all the people under 18.

74 million people receive Medicaid. That is nearly one in four Americans.

34 million Americans receive food stamps or one in nine people.

Almost 20 million people live on cash welfare and 11 million live in public housing.


The data is from the U.S. Census Bureau for 2009. Today these are higher..

Not in the long term.

Simple Math is non-partisan.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

I am happy to engage where it makes sense... this makes no sense..
What does 50 large at an art auction have to do with anything?

why would the person of the great means need to get on medicare? he can pay for his treatments out of his own resources. Did not buy two pictures =pay for hip replacement yourself.
See, the point now, means testing. .

 

[anti.reptile]

why would the person of the great means need to get on medicare? he can pay for his treatments out of his own resources. Did not buy two pictures =pay for hip replacement yourself.
See, the point now, means testing. .

Gladly, I won't take Medicare and the government can stop taxing me for it. Deal? Same with SS.( oh I forgot how much the left loves welfare)

 

[PhilFish]

What does it have to do with my question...on sustainability...

 

[PhilFish]

they also cite drought, influx of immigration, an influx different religion...and forces similar to thaose which brought Mayan culture down.. so, kinda hard to say...

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

What does it have to do with my question...on sustainability...

so you did not finish reading my first answer:
I know a guy, friend of my co-worker, who spends 50 large once on average purchasing different art at auctions at least 5-6 times a year. Became 65 last month and going on Medicare.
So after some adjustments and eliminating lies and demagoguery , yes it is sustainable..




the story about the guy at art auction using medicare got you distracted from finishing reading?

 

[PhilFish]

no, i read fully and responded in kind... it makes no sense. what next?

i.e. what does it have to do with what I posted... (i believe someone else answered succinctly....what the issue if he paid his taxes in to it?

 

[bdtex]

+1 to you. You are the only responder who gave a non-partisan reply.

 

[degsme]

53 % of the nation lives in a household that pays federal income tax.

47% does not.

Not true. Since all federal taxation FICA included, is based in Am 16 and under the Internal revenue code FICA is a Federal income tax.

While just about every worker has taxes withheld, many people have the entire amount refunded at tax time. With child tax credits and earned income tax credits, some people get more money from filing a return than they paid in.

Again FICA doesn't get refunded.

30 % of Americans live in households that receive some sort of public assistance that is means tested.

no 100% of the population gets some level of public benefit from the taxes paid

92 million people are on public assistance in one or more of its forms.

No, about 300 million receive some level of benefit from The Government.

The data is from the U.S. Census Bureau for 2009. Today these are higher..

and none of that has bearing on the question of "sustainability".

Germany for example, has almost 50% of the population receiveing some form of contribution to their income or subsidy for housing, and yet their GDP growth rate outperformed the USA's by 35% over the last decade.

 

[degsme]

no, i read fully and responded in kind... it makes no sense. what next?

i.e. what does it have to do with what I posted... (i believe someone else answered succinctly....what the issue if he paid his taxes in to it?

What you posted leaves out large and important segments of data - such as ROI of those payments, historic track record of such payments, other subsidies that the rest of the population gets. etc etc.