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It’s official – California proves tax and spend is a failure

jammer

Mayor
Where did you get the idea that California's income tax rate was 15%? This says that it's 1% to 13.3%, with 13.3% only being on income over $1 million:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=406

As for the claim that they have the highest state debt levels in the nation, California is, by far, the most populous state, and so should be expected to have the most pretty much anything you want to measure in flat terms. However, in per-capita terms, it isn't even in the top five, according to this:

http://www.statebudgetsolutions.org/publications/detail/state-debt-more-than-37000-per-private-worker-13000-per-capita

Alaska has the highest per capita state debt of any state.

Sorry to be picky, but facts matter.
Not to the right, no sireee.
 

jammer

Mayor
i stand corrected - thank you. on a recent visit to a buick dealership the sales manager assured us that all buicks were built in china - evidently the notion of anything made on a UAW assembly line is a deal breaker, lol.

thanks for your update.

So you have something against "Made in America" and American workers ASOTV? You would rather buy something made by slave labor in China? Nice...
 

Doubter

Council Member
Stockton is in bankruptcy and underwater on its assets for the same reason many Americans are, and it has nothing to do with profligate spending or taxation. It was the 44% decline in the value of the citys real estate which collapsed the cities revenues. Being squarely in the rural red part of the state your critique seems pretty far off it's mark.
 

Friday13

Governor
They thought Clinton's surplus was dire straights, too...so they had Shrub installed...now look where we are...
 
Stockton is in bankruptcy and underwater on its assets for the same reason many Americans are, and it has nothing to do with profligate spending or taxation. It was the 44% decline in the value of the citys real estate which collapsed the cities revenues. Being squarely in the rural red part of the state your critique seems pretty far off it's mark.
stockton's own explanation for its bankruptcy - 44% of its budget spent on retiree benefits. leaving barely half for salaries for currrent workers, infrastructure repair/maintenance; vehicles and fuel for first responders; etc

until last year, you could "retire" from the city of stockton after 6 months service, and get a pension for the rest of your life.
 

NCmusicman

Governor
California "invested" heavily in illegal aliens... even violated Federal law to hide and harbor them. The just thing to do is deport the illegals ... yes, even if there are 2 million on them (Ike proved it can be done with Operation Wetback in 1954) and return California to The United States where it belongs.
 
California "invested" heavily in illegal aliens... even violated Federal law to hide and harbor them. The just thing to do is deport the illegals ... yes, even if there are 2 million on them (Ike proved it can be done with Operation Wetback in 1954) and return California to The United States where it belongs.
nc - i don't thing they "invested" in the sense of a conscious movement toward this goal. like other border states they found themselves inundated by job seekers and those fleeing violence and corruption in mexico.

that said, california's government has been eager to test the limits of public patience on this topic. the state grants drivers licenses without proof of identy/legal residency - and a drivers license is sufficient to satisfy most identification aspects of homeland security. illegal aliens get equal access in public schools, health care clinics, etc - benefits which even England doesn't afford.

texas is walking a more nuanced line, but it also has a larger, longer resident population of hispanics from uncertain origins. they can afford to, because they have much higher employment rates, and apparently can offer jobs to most illegal immigrants as well as bona fide citizens arriving from states in decline. texas is also demonstrably tougher on crime, and ethnic drug and criminal gangs don't operate as freely there as they do in california. there are dozens of movies featuring latino violence in LA, but the only notable one set in texas is "no country for old men", which is actually set in 1978, before illegal immigration became the so called "crisis" it is today.

in most locales, illegal immigrants are only unwelcome to the extent that they become violent offenders or welfare recipients. oddly enough, california doesn't seem to object to these outcomes as vigorously as neighboring states.
 

NCmusicman

Governor
Excellent overall analysis - I am basing the "investing" tactic based on City Councils and Supervisors purposely voting to protect the illegal aliens and welcome them to their towns even thought heir actions were against Federal Law .... they did it for the medicaid and welfare money and based in on The Pelosi Principle that welfare and food stamps are a good "investment".

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nc - i don't thing they "invested" in the sense of a conscious movement toward this goal. like other border states they found themselves inundated by job seekers and those fleeing violence and corruption in mexico.

that said, california's government has been eager to test the limits of public patience on this topic. the state grants drivers licenses without proof of identy/legal residency - and a drivers license is sufficient to satisfy most identification aspects of homeland security. illegal aliens get equal access in public schools, health care clinics, etc - benefits which even England doesn't afford.

texas is walking a more nuanced line, but it also has a larger, longer resident population of hispanics from uncertain origins. they can afford to, because they have much higher employment rates, and apparently can offer jobs to most illegal immigrants as well as bona fide citizens arriving from states in decline. texas is also demonstrably tougher on crime, and ethnic drug and criminal gangs don't operate as freely there as they do in california. there are dozens of movies featuring latino violence in LA, but the only notable one set in texas is "no country for old men", which is actually set in 1978, before illegal immigration became the so called "crisis" it is today.

in most locales, illegal immigrants are only unwelcome to the extent that they become violent offenders or welfare recipients. oddly enough, california doesn't seem to object to these outcomes as vigorously as neighboring states.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member
cerulean - i thought i made it pretty clear that stockton was less important even than oakland, and that the real problem was califorinia's 15% income tax rate and its highest in the nation levels of state debt.

i apologize if this continues to elude anyone.
California isn't highest in terms of state debt. In fact, California will run a surplus this year, so your assertion is false. Maybe you should look somewhere else, Texas perhaps.
 

BitterPill

The Shoe Cometh
Supporting Member
California "invested" heavily in illegal aliens... even violated Federal law to hide and harbor them. The just thing to do is deport the illegals ... yes, even if there are 2 million on them (Ike proved it can be done with Operation Wetback in 1954) and return California to The United States where it belongs.
Hey, if Ike solved the problem, why are there so many in the country today?
 
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