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Jobless Rate Falls

Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by MaryAnne, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. OldGaffer

    OldGaffer Governor

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    You do realize that every Japanese car maker is unionized in all their Japanese plants, right?
     
  2. Sgt Staples

    Sgt Staples Mayor

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    Yep, that's exactly why the built plants in the southern, no union right to work states. And that's why GM is moving some of their auto production to China.

    They've got to make a profit somewhere to stay in business.
     
  3. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    No they don't want to deal with unions and can get away with it. Doesn't change that GM's mfg labor costs were within 10% of what Toyota USA's were

    And in the GM Bankruptcy
    1. Bondholders were first in line
    2. Union contracts were restructured
    3. Pension and healthcare costs were reformed
    4. workers contribute more
    FACTS MATTER
    got any?
     
  4. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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  5. degsme

    degsme Council Member

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    REally? So a stimulus that met or exceeded predictions by between 100% and 150% is "doing nothing"?

    Keeping Acc'ts Rcv'ble lending from shutting down and adding an additional 5%-10% to the unemployment rate is "doing nothing"???

    Interesing definition you got there.
     
  6. zzigzzag

    zzigzzag Guest

    The irony is that you want to call those who hoarded and presided over a recession complete with record unemployment "job creators". Those who started no businesses that employ people are "entrepreneurs". And why? So that we can have a tax structure based on semantics and rhetoric instead of reality.
     
  7. Lukey

    Lukey Senator

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    Actually, the tax (and regulatory) structure is what gives entrepreneurs the incentives to build businesses without employees.
     
  8. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    No it didn't.

     
  9. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    Load of Horseshit ALERT

     
  10. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    HA, this from a man who claims his personal worth is 3 Million dollars.

     
  11. zzigzzag

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    Almost sounds like you get it....that they're not "job creators", even though that is your side's perennial characterization of them regardless of whether they create jobs in America or not. So I don't want to hear that "job creators" bullshit now that you've debunked it yourself.
     
  12. zzigzzag

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    Pretty small load from you this time. No need for the alert. Everyone has your number.
     
  13. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    thanks to Bush's policies, the dow tanked starting in 2006 and ended down 50%. It is back to 12,000 now. 'splain that.
     
  14. Sgt Staples

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    The Dow was REALLY driven down by Obama shouting "Great Depression" every time he made an appearance on TV after his election, which was every hour on the hour.

    Dow 12,000 is worth about the same as Dow 6,000 at the gas station and is worth about Dow 8,000 at the grocery story compared to when Obama took office. He's destroying the value of currency to prop up "Wall Street." 7.7trillion printed to date.
     
  15. degsme

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    Yeah right... after all institutional investors are completely incapable of seeing through political rhetoric to the underlying economics. These investors are so clueless in looking at a steady tramp tramp of 3 years of accelerating forclosures (look at chart #4 http://www.kansascityfed.org/publicat/econrev/pdf/4q07Edmiston.pdf ) yeah right

    Dow 12,000 is worth about the same as Dow 6,000 at the gas station[/quote]
    Really? So the DJIA is not a model of economic activity? Or is it your claim that economic activity has no affect on demand and hence price of oil?


    RIGHT... and the value of the US Dollar vs. WW Currencies is?
    http://www.indexmundi.com/blog/index.php/category/charts/

    Oh yeah INCREASING...


    FACTS MATTER
    got any?
     
  16. zzigzzag

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    "The Dow was REALLY driven down by Obama shouting "Great Depression" every time he made an appearance on TV after his election, which was every hour on the hour."

    Yeah...it wasn't the fact that that was where we were headed. It was Obama recognizing it and saying it out loud that got them to trade in their instincts and expertise for rhetoric by a Democratic candidate.

    Why did Wall Street need "propped up"? Too much regulation?
     
  17. Sgt Staples

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    All you gotta do is go to the grocery store or the gas station. The facts will stare you right in the face, for once.
     
  18. middleview

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    Hmmm, so the 750,000 jobs lost in Bush's last 30 days were because of Obama? The recession that officially started in December 2007 was because of Obama? The 8.2% unemployment that existed on February 2009 was because of Obama?

    Your are either dishonest or incredibly underinformed.....in my opinion, those are the only two alternatives to explain your detachment from reality.
     
  19. Sgt Staples

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    No, dishonesty is practiced by people who are trying to blame an additional 2 million net job losses on a president who hasn't been in office for 3 years, and who was replaced by a president who, even though he had vast majorities in congress, is a complete and utter failure.

    6 trillion in new debt and HIGHER unemployment, higher food prices, higher gas prices. A National debt that is greater than they ENTIRE GDP along with a credit downgrade And a brand new entitlement which will be impossible to pay for and will drive the debt up much higher.

    And if your going to blame the Republicans for blocking him when they only control one house of congress, then I might as well blame the Democrats for Blocking Bush when the took over both houses of Congress in 2007 and caused to financial crisis.
     
  20. middleview

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    You seem to think that the GM board was forced to accept the bailout. Why would the people running the company accept the deal if they knew it meant that the CEO would lose his jobs and their bonuses would suffer?

    No way that they'd have disappeared? What do you base that on? I guess you have experience with running major corporations?
    GM execs testified before congress on several occasions in 2008 and early 2009 stating that GM would cease to exist without government help. I guess they were lying, eh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_bailout
     

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