Joe Biden: Man Who Stopped Texas Church Murder Spree Shouldn't Have Had That Gun

[The Sage of Main Street]

Obama had the Iraq army remade and had them do the ground fighting, with ISIS being trounced with minimal US casualties. A brilliant plan, well executed.

You should watch and learn and send your thanks to Obama.

"It Depends Upon What the Meaning of the Word IS IS"

But that original surge by the subhuman thrill-killers is the only thing that is remembered by their brothers in Muzzie Psycholand, not ISIS's eventual defeat. And their fans are still out there, ready to go out in a blaze of glory. And that was totally Obama's fault for not intervening and trusting the Iraqi cowards and mercenaries to nip the JVs in the bud. The overglorified Kurds also ran like rabbits.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

"It Depends Upon What the Meaning of the Word IS IS"

But that original surge by the subhuman thrill-killers is the only thing that is remembered by their brothers in Muzzie Psycholand, not ISIS's eventual defeat. And their fans are still out there, ready to go out in a blaze of glory. And that was totally Obama's fault for not intervening and trusting the Iraqi cowards and mercenaries to nip the JVs in the bud. The overglorified Kurds also ran like rabbits.

You wingers are such ingrates.

Obama honors GWB's troop withdrawal agreement, ISIS comes in and overruns the phony army formed under GWB, Obama oversees the creation of a real Iraq army, they oust ISIS with minimal US casualties, GWB's mess cleaned up by Obama - again - and all you ingrate wingers do is squawk about Obama.

Deplorable.

 

[freyasman]

I thought you were implying that he's a policeman. I don't care if he's a policeman, a dog catcher or a CEO....he shouldn't be leaving a gun like that in his TRUCK. That's what Trump obviously thought happened.

I belong to another message board that is about firearms. Over there for the past several days, many of us have been arguing about whether or not it's practical/safe/good or bad idea to keep a rifle in our vehicles. Most of the answers seem to break down along rural vs urban.... those of us who live in or near large cities aren't willing to risk theft of them, while folks in rural areas are less concerned about it. Most of us city-dwellers acknowledge that we would be very unlikely to have the opportunity to retrieve it in an emergency anyway, and that self-defense shootings are "come-as-you-are" events. People in rural communities, such as Sutherland Springs TX, know that LE are a long way off, and want the best possible tools available to deal with problems. For them, the possible benefits are enough to take the smaller risk of theft; for me in Houston, not so much.
What do you care where someone keeps their rifle anyway? And who are you to say whether someone should or shouldn't? You're ignorant about just about everything in regards to firearms; why do you think your opinion should matter to anyone about it?

 

[Sickofleft]

Wow...yes, Bush got one in place that you blame Obama for...unbef*ckinlievable....
The one he got in place was to withdraw all US troops from Iraq by the end of 2011...
If it was so damned dumb to do that, why did his team agree to it and why did he sign it on his way out the door? He should have left that to Obama since he only had 30 days to go.

1) We needed something in place that established the sovereignty of the Iraqi Government, and 4 years was the term the Iraqi Government agreed to.

2) He also wanted to prevent the next President from doing something stupid like packing up and leaving the first chance he got for something like a campaign slogan........

Oh wait........

Maliki wouldn't put it up for a vote precisely because of the issue of jurisdiction over US troops accused of a crime. DUH...
It seems you'd have let their courts hold our guys for trial...nice.

He could have signed it, he could have approved it. Obama Administration insisted it be ratified by the legislature, something Maliki and the White House knew was impossible.

Again, President Obama "ended" the Iraq war as irresponsibly as it was started.

Get used to reading that, because after gift wrapping nukes for the Mullahs in Iran that will be considered his second biggest strategic blunder. (Although the Iran Nuke deal will go down as one of the biggest blunders in history)

the North Koreans were better armed than the South and probably would have started another war as soon as they could get restocked from the soviet union.

Ohhhh so leaving prematurely would have led to another war then? Huh....Sooooo kinda like ISIS taking over half of Iraq after we left.........FUNNY HOW THAT [Unwelcome language removed] WORKS.....

How could our military have prevented the corruption of the Iraqi regime which destroyed the morale and ability of the Iraqi army?

It was working. Ask Joe Biden, he claimed Iraq would be the biggest accomplishment of the Obama Administration............then they pulled everyone out for a campaign slogan................................

 

[Sickofleft]

You wingers are such ingrates.

Translation: How dare you think for yourselves. The Liberal Fascist way is you can have your opinion after your betters have given it to you. AND you will thank them for it!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Translation: How dare you think for yourselves. The Liberal Fascist way is you can have your opinion after your betters have given it to you. AND you will thank them for it!

Hmm. I guess you didn't like the part of my post you edited out.

;-)

 

[middleview]

Like every member of congress who signed it...they were FOR the invasion of Iraq IF necessary to rid Iraq of its threat against US..(they were never a threat) To rid them of their WMD (which they didn't have). The president and other warmongers failed to find any WMD...kicked out the inspectors who they sent there to find them, and knew that Iraq was not a viable threat against us, unlike North Korea was/is.

Congressmen should never have signed that bill. GW was all hyped up on being the guy to take down Saddam. He was an idiot. Even his own father was against the attack. It caused the deaths of nearly 5,000 of our servicemen and gave the REAL terrorists a new home. We killed more Iraqi innocents than the devastating earthquake just did and what good did it do??

And remember...Bush did NOT take it to the UN like he promised to do. France was right not to get involved. French fries anyone?

The argument at the time was that Bush said he needed the AUMF to have a credible threat to get the inspectors back in and that war was the last alternative. Bush lied. It was the very next thing he did...he ordered the preparations for war to begin almost before the ink was dry. Nobody voted to go to war. They voted to give the president the authority to use military force...which could have been air strikes or special forces...aid to the Kurds and southern Shiia...

 

[middleview]

Translation: How dare you think for yourselves. The Liberal Fascist way is you can have your opinion after your betters have given it to you. AND you will thank them for it!

Project much?

 

[middleview]

1) We needed something in place that established the sovereignty of the Iraqi Government, and 4 years was the term the Iraqi Government agreed to.

2) He also wanted to prevent the next President from doing something stupid like packing up and leaving the first chance he got for something like a campaign slogan........

Oh wait........

He could have signed it, he could have approved it. Obama Administration insisted it be ratified by the legislature, something Maliki and the White House knew was impossible.

Again, President Obama "ended" the Iraq war as irresponsibly as it was started.

Get used to reading that, because after gift wrapping nukes for the Mullahs in Iran that will be considered his second biggest strategic blunder. (Although the Iran Nuke deal will go down as one of the biggest blunders in history)

Ohhhh so leaving prematurely would have led to another war then? Huh....Sooooo kinda like ISIS taking over half of Iraq after we left.........FUNNY HOW THAT [Unwelcome language removed] WORKS.....

It was working. Ask Joe Biden, he claimed Iraq would be the biggest accomplishment of the Obama Administration............then they pulled everyone out for a campaign slogan................................

Unreal....you read minds? So you know what Maliki and Bush were thinking? While you think Maliki would have simply signed a new Sofa without any approval I think that would have helped his enemies in an already very divided government.

Jesus...you still trying to make Iraq into Germany 1945? Give it up. The Soviet Union didn't have a massive army on the Iraqi border. The Iraqis had an army, Germany had a police force.

You accuse Obama of bailing out first chance...except that the date for the withdrawal wasn't set by Obama...it was set by Bush and Maliki...

While you think ISIS would have stayed in Syria and insist that we'll never know if US troops would have sustained casualties if they had remained in Iraq from 2011 to 2014..the opposite is true...

We know that if they'd have stayed they would have continued to be targets for the insurgency.

We know ISIS would have invaded Iraq when they were ready because the leadership of ISIS was Iraqis.

We also know that US troops would have been left to fight ISIS when the Iraqis ran away...we know this because the corruption of the Maliki government would not have been subject to any kind of oversight or prevention by the remaining US troops and to suggest otherwise is simply nuts.

 

[Sickofleft]

Unreal....you read minds? So you know what Maliki and Bush were thinking? While you think Maliki would have simply signed a new Sofa without any approval I think that would have helped his enemies in an already very divided government.

Jesus...you still trying to make Iraq into Germany 1945? Give it up. The Soviet Union didn't have a massive army on the Iraqi border. The Iraqis had an army, Germany had a police force.

You accuse Obama of bailing out first chance...except that the date for the withdrawal wasn't set by Obama...it was set by Bush and Maliki...

While you think ISIS would have stayed in Syria and insist that we'll never know if US troops would have sustained casualties if they had remained in Iraq from 2011 to 2014..the opposite is true...

We know that if they'd have stayed they would have continued to be targets for the insurgency.

We know ISIS would have invaded Iraq when they were ready because the leadership of ISIS was Iraqis.

We also know that US troops would have been left to fight ISIS when the Iraqis ran away...we know this because the corruption of the Maliki government would not have been subject to any kind of oversight or prevention by the remaining US troops and to suggest otherwise is simply nuts.

It is really funny to watch you defend Obama's mistake. Yes the date of the SOFA was set to end in 2011, it was Obama who purposefully did not get a new one in place and took off the first chance he got.

You don't know anything frankly speaking....

We know that if they'd have stayed they would have continued to be targets for the insurgency.


We know ISIS would have invaded Iraq when they were ready because the leadership of ISIS was Iraqis.

We also know that US troops would have been left to fight ISIS when the Iraqis ran away...we know this because the corruption of the Maliki government would not have been subject to any kind of oversight or prevention by the remaining US troops and to suggest otherwise is simply nuts.

We don't know any of that and we will never know because of Presidents Obama premature withdraw from the country. The chances of any of that happening were slim to none with a significant US presence in country. Former Iraqi Generals signing up to get their asses kicked again is [Unwelcome language removed] ridiculous.

Also (since you are failing to grasp the point as usual), the point is NOT that Iraq was like post WWII Europe or South Korea after the war, but that after investing in a war that was WON......you cannot just pack up and leave. There is such a thing as "losing the peace" thanks to Obama, we lost it.

 

[middleview]

"It Depends Upon What the Meaning of the Word IS IS"

But that original surge by the subhuman thrill-killers is the only thing that is remembered by their brothers in Muzzie Psycholand, not ISIS's eventual defeat. And their fans are still out there, ready to go out in a blaze of glory. And that was totally Obama's fault for not intervening and trusting the Iraqi cowards and mercenaries to nip the JVs in the bud. The overglorified Kurds also ran like rabbits.

Oh good, another county heard from....

Just when and where would Obama have sent US troops to intervene? How many US casualties would it have cost us?

The timing of our intervention in Iraq in 2014 was dependent on the request for help from the Iraqi government. The result was that ISIS got their asses handed to them by US airpower while giving the Iraqi army time to staff up and train to recover from the damage that their own government did to their morale and readiness.

 

[middleview]

It is really funny to watch you defend Obama's mistake. Yes the date of the SOFA was set to end in 2011, it was Obama who purposefully did not get a new one in place and took off the first chance he got.

You don't know anything frankly speaking....

We know that if they'd have stayed they would have continued to be targets for the insurgency.


We know ISIS would have invaded Iraq when they were ready because the leadership of ISIS was Iraqis.

We also know that US troops would have been left to fight ISIS when the Iraqis ran away...we know this because the corruption of the Maliki government would not have been subject to any kind of oversight or prevention by the remaining US troops and to suggest otherwise is simply nuts.

We don't know any of that and we will never know because of Presidents Obama premature withdraw from the country. The chances of any of that happening were slim to none with a significant US presence in country. Former Iraqi Generals signing up to get their asses kicked again is [Unwelcome language removed] ridiculous.

Also (since you are failing to grasp the point as usual), the point is NOT that Iraq was like post WWII Europe or South Korea after the war, but that after investing in a war that was WON......you cannot just pack up and leave. There is such a thing as "losing the peace" thanks to Obama, we lost it.

How do you know Maliki would have signed the agreement without getting a vote in parliament?

After we defeated Iraq in the first Gulf War did we occupy Iraq or did we pack up and leave? At the end of WWI did we occupy Germany forever or did we pack up and come home?

Just keep saying that it was the US responsibility to defend Iraq and that it would have been worthwhile, no matter how many US troops were killed doing it...and all Obama had to do was agree to let US soldiers stand trial in Iraqi court if accused of a crime.

What is funny is your attempt to deflect all of the blame from the catastrophic success of the Bush administration onto Obama. So it was a great Status of Forces Agreement when Bush signed it and totally f*cked up when Obama implemented what Bush had agreed to.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

this is THE question. there is no immediate answer as to who, in 2020.

I would be shocked if it was biden. in 2008, in the primaries, he didn't even carry his home state of Delaware.

democrats need a candidate with gravitas, and impeccable ethics. that's a tall order in either party.

My guess?

They'll dig up another Manchurian candidate like Obama, but this one would fit every single victim-class standard... a gay, black woman who sometimes identifies as a man.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The bottom line of this thread, despite the misdirection towards Biden's history, is that the left refuses to give the man who saved lives by using his *gasp* gun any credit or praise. If anything, I've only heard insults hurled his way.

 

[middleview]

The bottom line of this thread, despite the misdirection towards Biden's history, is that the left refuses to give the man who saved lives by using his *gasp* gun any credit or praise. If anything, I've only heard insults hurled his way.

There are a lot of people on PJ who have referred to the guy as a hero...are you just not paying attention?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

There are a lot of people on PJ who have referred to the guy as a hero...are you just not paying attention?

I'm talking about leftist media, leftist politicians, etc. Also, I haven't seen even liberal PJ posters praise the guy, but I might have missed it.

 

[middleview]

My guess?

They'll dig up another Manchurian candidate like Obama, but this one would fit every single victim-class standard... a gay, black woman who sometimes identifies as a man.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah but where will you guys dig up another Mussolini like character with orange hair?
Trump will be a tough act to follow...I wonder of Ronald McDonald would like a new gig.

 

[middleview]

Bush did not fail to get a new SOFA in place, Obama did.
It was the Obama Administration that forced Maliki into that decision because they knew he could not deliver what he was requesting. It's how they got the out they wanted for the campaign.
You wish. You are desperately defending a miserably failed President Obama......just like the rest of your party.
My guess is they were still tied down in Syria but ask them. I mean reading back through this thread you seem to have intimate knowledge of every decision they ever made.

1. Bush got a SOFA that you think was a great idea when Bush negotiated it with Maliki and signed it...but not such a great idea when it was implemented...and that is Obama's fault?

2. Maliki refused the new one after a year of negotiations....It was Maliki's country to defend, not Obama's. Why you think otherwise is just an example of how odd you are.

3. Why in hell would we want to have an agreement that the parliament wouldn't support?

So here you are defending Bush and the mess that he created out of whole cloth from start to finish. The fact is that Obama cleaned it up and defeated ISIS by the use of American air and Iraqi troops....and that was the strategy that saved American lives...but you would have been in favor of American troops getting killed instead of Iraqi boys...and I still don't get that...

 

[Deleted member 21794]

I thought you were implying that he's a policeman. I don't care if he's a policeman, a dog catcher or a CEO....he shouldn't be leaving a gun like that in his TRUCK. That's what Trump obviously thought happened.

Who are you to tell people whether they can keep a gun in their truck or not?

 

[middleview]

The bottom line of this thread, despite the misdirection towards Biden's history, is that the left refuses to give the man who saved lives by using his *gasp* gun any credit or praise. If anything, I've only heard insults hurled his way.

How many quotes do you want?

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-11-06/2-men-in-truck-chase-down-texas-church-shooter-lets-go

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/us/church-shooting-heroes-reunite-trnd/index.html