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Johns Hopkins: People are not born homosexual or transgender

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
So are you saying that humans have kids before saying they are gay?

All of them?

Surely some gay people were married with children before coming out because they were in denial, trying to be "normal".

What percentage of gay people do you suppose are in that group?
Re-read post #69 so you will not look so stupid...……..
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
The whole point of these anti-family statutes is an attempt to shove a perverted lifestyle down our throats and force us to accept unnatural behavior.
Ending traditional family as an institution has been a goal of Marxism from it's beginning.
The promotion of homosexuality as an open lifestyle and it's acceptance being forced upon society may seem like a recent development but it's actually been in the works for many years.

Tell me about when you chose to be straight.
Six years ago. Is there anything more you'd like to know.

(Though you haven't addressed the question to me, you asked it 3 times in this thread despite the original poster having already addressed it. Just thought you might be better satisfied with a more direct and simple answer.)
 

FakeName

Governor
Ending traditional family as an institution has been a goal of Marxism from it's beginning.
The promotion of homosexuality as an open lifestyle and it's acceptance being forced upon society may seem like a recent development but it's actually been in the works for many years.


Six years ago. Is there anything more you'd like to know.

(Though you haven't addressed the question to me, you asked it 3 times in this thread despite the original poster having already addressed it. Just thought you might be better satisfied with a more direct and simple answer.)
So you admit you are bisexual, could have gone either way, and chose to be straight?

I am not. I had no choice in being straight. I just was attracted to girls. Not a choice at all.
 

FakeName

Governor
If you had actually read my post on this subject you would know that I think some people are born that way but most gay people, I believe, choose to engage in that lifestyle.
Of course they choose to engage in that lifestyle, just like you choose to engage in the straight lifestyle. But you didn't choose to be attracted to females, you just were. Likewise gay men didn't choose to be attracted to men, they just were.

If you had a choice you are bisexual.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Of course they choose to engage in that lifestyle, just like you choose to engage in the straight lifestyle. But you didn't choose to be attracted to females, you just were. Likewise gay men didn't choose to be attracted to men, they just were.

If you had a choice you are bisexual.
Nope, you are wrong. Heterosexual is normal and the predominate way most people are born. Homosexual is an anomaly. Born homosexual happens less often and is abnormal. The majority of people, who engage in homosexual lifestyles, choose to do so for any number of reasons. That lifestyle is perversion, unhealthy and destructive. It is no different from a straight person who is born with a tendency toward adultery, lying, or child molesting. It's a sin that the individual must deal with and refrain from committing.
 

FakeName

Governor
The majority of people, who engage in homosexual lifestyles, choose to do so for any number of reasons.
They do so for one reason and one reason alone. They are attracted to members of the same gender.

It is as normal, though less common than, heterosexuality and has been with us just as long.
 

reason10

Governor
Nope, you are wrong. Heterosexual is normal and the predominate way most people are born. Homosexual is an anomaly. Born homosexual happens less often and is abnormal. The majority of people, who engage in homosexual lifestyles, choose to do so for any number of reasons. That lifestyle is perversion, unhealthy and destructive. It is no different from a straight person who is born with a tendency toward adultery, lying, or child molesting. It's a sin that the individual must deal with and refrain from committing.
Everything you said is 100 percent true, whether the libs like it or not.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Of course they choose to engage in that lifestyle, just like you choose to engage in the straight lifestyle. But you didn't choose to be attracted to females, you just were. Likewise gay men didn't choose to be attracted to men, they just were.

If you had a choice you are bisexual.
Appears you have much expertise of how gay males think!
Not surprised.
 

FakeName

Governor
You sure know much of how gays think...…….if the shoe fits, wear it.
I already said that I am straight and that it was not a choice, but calling me gay is not insult.

The fact that it is natural and not a choice is just common sense. If you could put your bigotry aside and actually think you would see it for yourself.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
I already said that I am straight and that it was not a choice, but calling me gay is not insult.

The fact that it is natural and not a choice is just common sense. If you could put your bigotry aside and actually think you would see it for yourself.
LMFAO.so why did you ask if I was trying to "insult" you and then post it isn't an "insult"

you a strange boy and a whiner
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
The fact that it is natural and not a choice is just common sense.
A lot things are natural. Cancer is natural; should we not treat it? Poisonous plants are natural; should we consume them? Wildfires are natural; should we let them rage?

You will say: Those things hurt people while homosexuality harms no one.
But it does.
In a private relationship between consenting adults, one might argue there's no harm done.
The harm to society of condoning and sanctifying such relation, though? We're seeing that in America right now.
The breakdown of the family unit -- the foundation of every viable society.
The growing confusion and instability of our children and youth.
The calls to similarly condone and sanctify all manner of sexual relations, a consequence both inevitable and entirely predictable.
The further erosion of religious sensibilities -- so vital to upright living and to cultural cohesion.

It's not bigotry or hate that compels opposition to condoning and celebrating homosexuality as a normal and natural and equal lifestyle. It's awareness -- for some, such as myself, direct and intimate awareness -- of the cost.
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
George Gilder's science comes closes to reality. He maintains that an infant, a child, is basically a barbarian, a dangerous animal, especially if male. Living without a normal set of loving parent means that child will most likely grow up to be a monster, (with certain exceptions here and there.) Without a strong father to tame the barbarian, show the boy how to be a man, the son will be a criminal, a violent monster terrorizing the neighborhood. We've already seen plenty of evidence of that.

Without a loving set of parents providing an example of normal male female interaction, the child grows up in a vacuum, with sexual urges off the charts and no logical path for them to steer. There are boys who turn homosexual because they believe the path to normal sex is unavailable to them for whatever reasons: Their unattractive appearance, their strange ways, etc. These boys, or I should say their environment, passes this sick judgment on them before they reach puberty.

How does a priest wind up molesting boys? This again comes directly from the Gilder template. An adult man who has been told to completely reject all earthly urges, particularly sexual ones but nevertheless still feeling them, will become the monster that seeks out vulnerable boys to molest. Yes, the lifestyle of the priest (EVEN WITH YEARS OF SEMINARY INSTRUCTION ON GOOD AND EVIL) could lead to pedophelia. And the Catholic Church protected these monsters for many years, so there's no point in believing in organized religion to solve this problem.

And just when you think it couldn't get any more confusing, Gilder believes that lesbians are created in a completely different fashion.

Environment Environment Environment.

That's what human nature adapts to. Not limited to a seminary- or the like.


 

llovejim

Current Champion
this article from a conservative magazine, not a medical or scientific journal, has been debunked many times by many real experts. it really is a nothingburger from a few years ago being dredged up again for some reason. here is the real deal-

John Hopkins has hundreds of current faculty, and thousands upon thousands of former staff and faculty. Two of those collaborated on a report that goes against the vast majority opinions of peer-reviewed published reports concerning whether or not homosexuality is a congenital or a learned behavior pattern. Two out of thousands. Their report was not sponsored by John Hopkins, or connected to John Hopkins in any way, except the two bozos who wrote the report have ties to John Hopkins. Yesterday, it was alleged this bogus, easily debunked report was a "John Hopkins report," when it was not, it was a report by two homophobic bozos who happened to be associated with John Hopkins. Here is what the vast majority of faculty, staff and community connected to John Hopkins said about this bogus, bullshit report published in a very conservative magazine, not in a peer-reviewed journal:

Respect is the cornerstone of university life: respect for speech and a diversity of views; respect for students, colleagues and patients; and respect for science, which is our lifeblood as an institution.

As faculty at Johns Hopkins, a major educational, research and health institution, we are writing to express our concern about a recently published report that we believe mischaracterizes the current state of the science on sexuality and gender.

Science, and particularly the fields of psychiatry and psychology, has made major advances in our understanding of the complex issues of sexual orientation and gender identity. For instance, accumulating data support the concept that gender identity is not strictly a binary phenomenon. And scientific evidence clearly documents that sexual and romantic attractions to people of the same and/or different sexes are normal variations of the diversity of human sexuality.

Homosexuality is no longer considered an illness by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association or any of the other mainstream professional organizations in the health field. These organizations have come to affirm what LGBTQ people and their loved ones have known for years: that being gay or transgender is perfectly consistent with being healthy and well.

As faculty at Johns Hopkins, we are committed to serving the health needs of the LGBTQ community in a manner that is informed by the best available science — a manner that is respectful and inclusive and supports the rights of LGBTQ people to live full and open lives without fear of discrimination or bias based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is why the recent report, released by one current and one former member of our faculty on the topic of LGBTQ health, is so troubling. The report, "Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological and Psychological and Social Sciences," was not published in the scientific literature, where it would have been subject to rigorous peer review prior to publication. It purports to detail the science of this area, but it falls short of being a comprehensive review.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-lgbtq-hopkins-20160928-story.html

and this:

Nearly 700 members of the Johns Hopkins community have formally called for the Baltimore-based university and health system to distance themselves from “a misguided, misinformed attack on LGBT communities.”

In August, Johns Hopkins psychiatry professor Paul McHugh and biostatistician Lawrence Mayer published a 116-page “special report” on gender and sexual orientation in The New Atlantis, a conservative bioethics magazine. The report made a number of claims that have long been rejected by gender and sexuality researchers. It falsely implies that children are “encouraged to become transgender” and that young transgender children undergo medical interventions as part of affirming their gender identities. In addition, it suggests that:

  • Being lesbian, gay, bisexual or queer is caused by childhood sexual abuse
  • LGBTQ people have inherent psychological difficulties
  • Sexual orientation is a choice and can be changed
Gender and sexuality researchers, including some of those cited in the report, have called out its serious flaws. Among them is distinguished geneticist and scientist emeritus at the National Institutes of Health, Dean Hamer. Hamer, whose career has included key publications on the relationship between genes and sexual orientation, says McHugh and Mayer “twisted and misinterpreted” legitimate research to their own ends. Those ends may include the $400-an-hour fee Mayer collected for defending North Carolina’s deeply discriminatory HB2 law in a federal civil rights lawsuit.

While the report’s falsehoods attack the entire LGBTQ community, McHugh’s history reflects particular animus toward transgender people, collaborating with an organization designated a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center to attack trans kids and penning opinion articles mocking people who transition as “caricatures,” “counterfeits,” “impersonators,” “confused” and “mad.”

Because McHugh and Mayer lack research experience on gender and sexuality, and since the report was published in a magazine rather than a peer-reviewed scientific journal, it would normally be ignored beyond the authors’ fringe anti-LGBTQ circles. However, McHugh and Mayer have drawn on the Johns Hopkins name to persuade readers to take them seriously, leading numerous reporters to describe the article as a “Johns Hopkins study.”

When scholars try to brand unscientific opinions in this way, universities and hospitals often clarify that individual faculty members’ opinions do not represent them. In 2014, in response to a deeply flawed study used to attack LGBTQ families, the University of Texas at Austin announced that the author’s “opinions are his own” and “do not reflect the views of the university.” Johns Hopkins Medicine has a similar history: It responded to a 2013 article questioning the effectiveness of flu shots, stating that it “in no way endorses” the findings and detailing its own commitment to vaccination. These statements pose no threat to academic freedom. They clarify the record without limiting researchers’ ability to promote their work.

Johns Hopkins students, faculty, staff and alumni are calling on their university and hospital to issue a similar statement about the New Atlantis article. Signatories on a formal petitioncoordinated by Johns Hopkins School of Medicine alumnus, physician and researcher, Carl Streed, Jr., include 264 Hopkins alumni, 200 current students, 30 faculty members, and more than 100 staff, medical interns, medical residents and fellows. In addition, last week, three Hopkins professors published a Baltimore Sun op-ed raising questions about the New Atlantis report’s credibility and concerns that it “could further stigmatize and harm the health of LGBTQ communities."

https://www.hrc.org/blog/johns-hopkins-community-calls-for-disavowal-of-misleading-anti-lgbtq-report
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
Hide the sharp silverware. Nazis are going to be suicidal after hearing this.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/23/johns-hopkins-research-no-evidence-people-are-born-gay-or-transgender/?fbclid=IwAR0pPmJtL_n_X5fHL3AHhRqAvQDCJx0yqFk63tow-m2bFJ3D8lYZF8-jhwc
Johns Hopkins Research: No Evidence People Are Born Gay or Transgender
Scholars at Johns Hopkins University released a new report on Monday which argues that there is not sufficient evidence to suggest that lesbian, gay, or transgender people are born with this sexual orientation or gender identity.


"The idea there that sexual orientation is fluid, that people change as people grow," Lawrence Mayer, a co-author of the report and a scholar-in-residence at Johns Hopkins University's psychiatry department, as well as a professor of statistics and biostatistics at Arizona State University, told The Christian Post. "There are probably some people that identify as hetrosexual [sic] that then later on identified as homosexual, so it goes both ways. The importance there is the fluidity and flexibility that these things change in time."

See that, liberals. It's not an inborn trait, (not like your total lack of brains). There is NO EVIDENCE of a homosexual gene.

The study breaks down in three parts: First, Mayer and McHugh examined whether homosexuality is an inherited trait, and concluded that people are not simply "born that way." Second, they looked at the causes of the poor mental health associated with gay and transgender people, concluding that social stress does not explain all of it. Finally, they studied transgenderism, concluding that it is not innate and that transgender "treatments" are associated with negative outcomes.

This is so funny. I can just see liberals reading this and banging their melon heads against the wall.
Not entirely true because some people are born to be retarded

Rachel madcow Rosie o fartel

Seriously any person who knows that killing children is the most important thing in life was born retarded
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
this article from a conservative magazine, not a medical or scientific journal, has been debunked many times by many real experts. it really is a nothingburger from a few years ago being dredged up again for some reason. here is the real deal-

John Hopkins has hundreds of current faculty, and thousands upon thousands of former staff and faculty. Two of those collaborated on a report that goes against the vast majority opinions of peer-reviewed published reports concerning whether or not homosexuality is a congenital or a learned behavior pattern. Two out of thousands. Their report was not sponsored by John Hopkins, or connected to John Hopkins in any way, except the two bozos who wrote the report have ties to John Hopkins. Yesterday, it was alleged this bogus, easily debunked report was a "John Hopkins report," when it was not, it was a report by two homophobic bozos who happened to be associated with John Hopkins. Here is what the vast majority of faculty, staff and community connected to John Hopkins said about this bogus, bullshit report published in a very conservative magazine, not in a peer-reviewed journal:

Respect is the cornerstone of university life: respect for speech and a diversity of views; respect for students, colleagues and patients; and respect for science, which is our lifeblood as an institution.

As faculty at Johns Hopkins, a major educational, research and health institution, we are writing to express our concern about a recently published report that we believe mischaracterizes the current state of the science on sexuality and gender.

Science, and particularly the fields of psychiatry and psychology, has made major advances in our understanding of the complex issues of sexual orientation and gender identity. For instance, accumulating data support the concept that gender identity is not strictly a binary phenomenon. And scientific evidence clearly documents that sexual and romantic attractions to people of the same and/or different sexes are normal variations of the diversity of human sexuality.

Homosexuality is no longer considered an illness by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association or any of the other mainstream professional organizations in the health field. These organizations have come to affirm what LGBTQ people and their loved ones have known for years: that being gay or transgender is perfectly consistent with being healthy and well.

As faculty at Johns Hopkins, we are committed to serving the health needs of the LGBTQ community in a manner that is informed by the best available science — a manner that is respectful and inclusive and supports the rights of LGBTQ people to live full and open lives without fear of discrimination or bias based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

That is why the recent report, released by one current and one former member of our faculty on the topic of LGBTQ health, is so troubling. The report, "Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological and Psychological and Social Sciences," was not published in the scientific literature, where it would have been subject to rigorous peer review prior to publication. It purports to detail the science of this area, but it falls short of being a comprehensive review.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-lgbtq-hopkins-20160928-story.html

and this:

Nearly 700 members of the Johns Hopkins community have formally called for the Baltimore-based university and health system to distance themselves from “a misguided, misinformed attack on LGBT communities.”

In August, Johns Hopkins psychiatry professor Paul McHugh and biostatistician Lawrence Mayer published a 116-page “special report” on gender and sexual orientation in The New Atlantis, a conservative bioethics magazine. The report made a number of claims that have long been rejected by gender and sexuality researchers. It falsely implies that children are “encouraged to become transgender” and that young transgender children undergo medical interventions as part of affirming their gender identities. In addition, it suggests that:

  • Being lesbian, gay, bisexual or queer is caused by childhood sexual abuse
  • LGBTQ people have inherent psychological difficulties
  • Sexual orientation is a choice and can be changed
Gender and sexuality researchers, including some of those cited in the report, have called out its serious flaws. Among them is distinguished geneticist and scientist emeritus at the National Institutes of Health, Dean Hamer. Hamer, whose career has included key publications on the relationship between genes and sexual orientation, says McHugh and Mayer “twisted and misinterpreted” legitimate research to their own ends. Those ends may include the $400-an-hour fee Mayer collected for defending North Carolina’s deeply discriminatory HB2 law in a federal civil rights lawsuit.

While the report’s falsehoods attack the entire LGBTQ community, McHugh’s history reflects particular animus toward transgender people, collaborating with an organization designated a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center to attack trans kids and penning opinion articles mocking people who transition as “caricatures,” “counterfeits,” “impersonators,” “confused” and “mad.”

Because McHugh and Mayer lack research experience on gender and sexuality, and since the report was published in a magazine rather than a peer-reviewed scientific journal, it would normally be ignored beyond the authors’ fringe anti-LGBTQ circles. However, McHugh and Mayer have drawn on the Johns Hopkins name to persuade readers to take them seriously, leading numerous reporters to describe the article as a “Johns Hopkins study.”

When scholars try to brand unscientific opinions in this way, universities and hospitals often clarify that individual faculty members’ opinions do not represent them. In 2014, in response to a deeply flawed study used to attack LGBTQ families, the University of Texas at Austin announced that the author’s “opinions are his own” and “do not reflect the views of the university.” Johns Hopkins Medicine has a similar history: It responded to a 2013 article questioning the effectiveness of flu shots, stating that it “in no way endorses” the findings and detailing its own commitment to vaccination. These statements pose no threat to academic freedom. They clarify the record without limiting researchers’ ability to promote their work.

Johns Hopkins students, faculty, staff and alumni are calling on their university and hospital to issue a similar statement about the New Atlantis article. Signatories on a formal petitioncoordinated by Johns Hopkins School of Medicine alumnus, physician and researcher, Carl Streed, Jr., include 264 Hopkins alumni, 200 current students, 30 faculty members, and more than 100 staff, medical interns, medical residents and fellows. In addition, last week, three Hopkins professors published a Baltimore Sun op-ed raising questions about the New Atlantis report’s credibility and concerns that it “could further stigmatize and harm the health of LGBTQ communities."

https://www.hrc.org/blog/johns-hopkins-community-calls-for-disavowal-of-misleading-anti-lgbtq-report

Human Rights Campaign.

Ah nothing like a lefty web site to back up your lefty beliefs.

Way to go base member !
 
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