LaVoy Finicum, speaking for himself.

[Queen Titania]

He is being called a jihadi terrorist, a thug, described as acting furtively as he was being shot - a devil 'Mormon' worshiper and etc and so on and worse ---- well this his him, telling people what he was protesting about.

 

[Spamature]

He is being called a jihadi terrorist, a thug, described as acting furtively as he was being shot - a devil 'Mormon' worshiper and etc and so on and worse ---- well this his him, telling people what he was protesting about.

He's wrong about the Constitution.

Federal lands are lands in the United States for which ownership is claimed by the U.S. federal government, pursuant to Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution.[1] The United States Supreme Court has repeatedly held that this section empowers Congress to retain federal lands, to regulate federal lands such as by limiting cattle grazing, and to sell such lands.[2] As of March 2012, out of the 2.27 billion acres in the country, about 28% of the total was owned by the Federal government according to the Interior Department.[3] The United States Supreme Court has upheld the broad powers of the federal government to deal with federal lands, for example having unanimously held in Kleppe v. New Mexico[4] that "the complete power that Congress has over federal lands under this clause necessarily includes the power to regulate and protect wildlife living there, state law notwithstanding."[1]

This seems to be about his personal gain not the constitutionality of the land's ownership.

 

[georgephillip]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleppe_v._New_Mexico

 

[resident_evil]

He's wrong about the Constitution.

Federal lands are lands in the United States for which ownership is claimed by the U.S. federal government, pursuant to Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution.[1] The United States Supreme Court has repeatedly held that this section empowers Congress to retain federal lands, to regulate federal lands such as by limiting cattle grazing, and to sell such lands.[2] As of March 2012, out of the 2.27 billion acres in the country, about 28% of the total was owned by the Federal government according to the Interior Department.[3] The United States Supreme Court has upheld the broad powers of the federal government to deal with federal lands, for example having unanimously held in Kleppe v. New Mexico[4] that "the complete power that Congress has over federal lands under this clause necessarily includes the power to regulate and protect wildlife living there, state law notwithstanding."[1]

This seems to be about his personal gain not the constitutionality of the land's ownership.

Much like upholding slavery or throwing a war protester in jail for telling people to avoid the WW1 draft (while stating you can't yell fire in a crowded theater) or upholding Obamacare, once again the Supreme Court is dead wrong and needs to be changed for the better.

 

[Spamature]

Much like upholding slavery or throwing a war protester in jail for telling people to avoid the WW1 draft (while stating you can't yell fire in a crowded theater) or upholding Obamacare, once again the Supreme Court is dead wrong and needs to be changed for the better.

It was decided to make them the final arbitrators of the Constitution. It does need to change for the better. Though I think we definitely disagree on definition of better in this case.

 

[Dawg]

He's wrong about the Constitution.

Federal lands are lands in the United States for which ownership is claimed by the U.S. federal government, pursuant to Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution.[1] The United States Supreme Court has repeatedly held that this section empowers Congress to retain federal lands, to regulate federal lands such as by limiting cattle grazing, and to sell such lands.[2] As of March 2012, out of the 2.27 billion acres in the country, about 28% of the total was owned by the Federal government according to the Interior Department.[3] The United States Supreme Court has upheld the broad powers of the federal government to deal with federal lands, for example having unanimously held in Kleppe v. New Mexico[4] that "the complete power that Congress has over federal lands under this clause necessarily includes the power to regulate and protect wildlife living there, state law notwithstanding."[1]

This seems to be about his personal gain not the constitutionality of the land's ownership.

ere

He's wrong about the Constitution.

Federal lands are lands in the United States for which ownership is claimed by the U.S. federal government, pursuant to Article Four, section 3, clause 2 of the United States Constitution.[1] The United States Supreme Court has repeatedly held that this section empowers Congress to retain federal lands, to regulate federal lands such as by limiting cattle grazing, and to sell such lands.[2] As of March 2012, out of the 2.27 billion acres in the country, about 28% of the total was owned by the Federal government according to the Interior Department.[3] The United States Supreme Court has upheld the broad powers of the federal government to deal with federal lands, for example having unanimously held in Kleppe v. New Mexico[4] that "the complete power that Congress has over federal lands under this clause necessarily includes the power to regulate and protect wildlife living there, state law notwithstanding."[1]

This seems to be about his personal gain not the constitutionality of the land's ownership.

Which land has a Fort/Port/Armory________________

 

[Spamature]

ere


Which land has a Fort/Port/Armory________________

The Constitution has spoken. Those gang bangers calling themselves a militia need to accept it or find a new country to live in.

 

[resident_evil]

It was decided to make them the final arbitrators of the Constitution. It does need to change for the better. Though I think we definitely disagree on definition of better in this case.

SCOTUS has taken on powers and privileges never intended for it. We need a SCOTUS with a rotating body of judges that are chosen round robin from all states and having 3 year tenures. It is beyond the pale that so many states have ZERO representation on the high court. All the Harvard, Yale, and Columbia judges need to go.

 

[Spamature]

SCOTUS has taken on powers and privileges never intended for it. We need a SCOTUS with a rotating body of judges that are chosen round robin from all states and having 3 year tenures. It is beyond the pale that so many states have ZERO representation on the high court. All the Harvard, Yale, and Columbia judges need to go.

Who would choose these judges ?

 

[resident_evil]

Who would choose these judges ?

Random lottery draw pulling from state supreme court justices.

 

[Spamature]

Random lottery draw pulling from state supreme court justices.

So we will leave the fate of the nation up to random chance ?

 

[Spamature]

ere


Which land has a Fort/Port/Armory________________

Any land owned by the federal govt where congress wants to put should it decide to do so.

 

[resident_evil]

So we will leave the fate of the nation up to random chance ?

Hopefully from well chosen state supreme court justices, right? The current bunch of SCOTUS justices are not acceptable to me. The idea that they are so long lived as justices is repugnant. That they hold on tooth and nail goes to show just how much outsized their contribution to this elected representative constitutional republic really is.

I can't stand a single one of them anymore really. Only Yale, Harvard and Columbia narcissists burden us with their lifelong presence in the public arena.

 

[Spamature]

Hopefully from well chosen state supreme court justices, right? The current bunch of SCOTUS justices are not acceptable to me. The idea that they are so long lived as justices is repugnant. That they hold on tooth and nail goes to show just how much outsized their contribution to this elected representative constitutional republic really is.

I can't stand a single one of them anymore really. Only Yale, Harvard and Columbia narcissists burden us with their lifelong presence in the public arena.

It's a lottery there is no choosing. We get who the lottery says we get.

 

[georgephillip]

"Despite the local opposition and the arrest of the leaders, the standoff supporters have shown no signs of backing down.

"On Monday, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, the father of jailed occupation leader Ammon Bundy, sent a certified letter to Ward giving notice that 'We the People of Harney County and also We the People of the citizens of the United States ... we will retain possession of the Harney County Resource Center.' That's what the armed militants renamed the refuge during the occupation.

"The Bundy patriarch, who led a standoff at his own ranch in 2014 with federal authorities over cattle grazing fees, requested removal of all federal and state police from Harney County and a county sheriff guard post at the refuge entrance road."
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/oregon_standoff_opposing_demonstrations_divide_harney_county_locals.html

 

[Craig]

It's a lottery there is no choosing. We get who the lottery says we get.

It appears there are some "conservatives" who wish to fundamentally change the nation. They wish this because they don't like the current crop of judges.

This is, of course, the opposite of conservative, trying to maintain the status quo, and is, in reality, extremely radical.

 

[resident_evil]

It's a lottery there is no choosing. We get who the lottery says we get.

Do you have a point?

 

[as seen on tv]

who called him a jihadi terrorist? I never heard that.

 

[Spamature]

Do you have a point?

Depending on random chance rather than deliberation and input for the representatives of all Americans for a court whose decisions affect all Americans.

Sound a lot worse than what we have.

 

[Dawg]

Any land owned by the federal govt where congress wants to put should it decide to do so.

Yet, gov owns land that by law they should only own for the above...........if none of those present the law has been broken.