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Leftist violence has the nation on edge

Colorforms

Senator
A handful of people who show up for anti fascist demonstrations are important to you but not the extremists who are rioting on the other side of the street because they are on your side....

One bad actor? You ignore the thousands of bad actors who showed up to march behind a Nazi flag and stand under torch lite and give the Nazi salute...or carry a banner "DIVERSITY = WHITE GENOCIDE"...because you certainly can't keep up the façade that the "left" is violent and the right is not.
I ignore them because they aren't engaging in violence, they are engaging in free speech. I know the left hates free speech, but counter to popular leftist dogma, free speech does not equate to violence.
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
59% fear violence from the anti-Trump left. The DNC/media complex's official support for violence is throwing gasoline on the fire. It will get worse...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-59-fear-violence-from-trump-haters-31-predict-civil-war

There are some on the left who wish to incite violence and cause trouble - This is nothing new. The vast, vast majority of them, however, have zero intention of actively participating. They may (or may not) cheer when a glass window gets broken, but they won't be stooping to pick up a rock of their own.

For this reason, when push comes to shove, those who intend to do harm ultimately get crushed. For example:

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/07/03/protests-turn-violent-as-demonstrators-arrested-in-front-of-philadelphia-ice-building/

All that ended up happening was about thirty arrested. No violent overthrow, no change in policy, no one seriously hurt.

Most people don't sympathize with these folks, which is why they feel the need to get violent. And the more they do this sort of thing, the more they are likely to repulse, not attract, supporters.

So fret not. Let them have their tantrum - That's how they lose.
 

BobbyT

Governor
59% fear violence from the anti-Trump left. The DNC/media complex's official support for violence is throwing gasoline on the fire. It will get worse...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-59-fear-violence-from-trump-haters-31-predict-civil-war
Kind of an interesting 180 from the usual "liberals are all pussys" who will get wiped out in the "coming civil war" because they're afraid of guns. But if you're skeered, you're skeered, I won't try to talk you out of it.
 

freyasman

Senator
I ignore them because they aren't engaging in violence, they are engaging in free speech. I know the left hates free speech, but counter to popular leftist dogma, free speech does not equate to violence.
They sure do....
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/01/williams-why-liberals-have-flip-flopped-on-free-speech/
From the link;
"In a remarkably honest exposé, the New York Times acknowledged Saturday that “liberals who once championed expansive First Amendment rights are now uneasy about them” ever since conservatives realized they should apply to them as well.
The Times cites First Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams who noted that whereas the left once led support for First Amendment protections, they are now “at least skeptical and sometimes distraught at the level of First Amendment protection which is being afforded in cases brought by litigants on the right.”

The difference between then and now? Many of the ideas currently being protected by free speech rights run contrary to progressive ideology. Over the last 13 years, the Supreme Court “has been far more likely to embrace free-speech arguments concerning conservative speech than liberal speech,” the Times said."
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
There are some on the left who wish to incite violence and cause trouble - This is nothing new. The vast, vast majority of them, however, have zero intention of actively participating. They may (or may not) cheer when a glass window gets broken, but they won't be stooping to pick up a rock of their own.

For this reason, when push comes to shove, those who intend to do harm ultimately get crushed. For example:

https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/07/03/protests-turn-violent-as-demonstrators-arrested-in-front-of-philadelphia-ice-building/

All that ended up happening was about thirty arrested. No violent overthrow, no change in policy, no one seriously hurt.

Most people don't sympathize with these folks, which is why they feel the need to get violent. And the more they do this sort of thing, the more they are likely to repulse, not attract, supporters.

So fret not. Let them have their tantrum - That's how they lose.
Pretty much all of that applies to the violent groups on the right as well....and while some of the right wingers here will cheer at some MAGA hat wearing Nazis beating someone on the ground in a parking garage...most will not.
 

freyasman

Senator
Kind of an interesting 180 from the usual "liberals are all pussys" who will get wiped out in the "coming civil war" because they're afraid of guns. But if you're skeered, you're skeered, I won't try to talk you out of it.
People who actually know something about violence, work pretty damn hard to not have to use it. Because we actually know what it's like.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Kind of an interesting 180 from the usual "liberals are all pussys" who will get wiped out in the "coming civil war" because they're afraid of guns. But if you're skeered, you're skeered, I won't try to talk you out of it.
that's a fact jack
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I ignore them because they aren't engaging in violence, they are engaging in free speech. I know the left hates free speech, but counter to popular leftist dogma, free speech does not equate to violence.
You are not paying attention....the tiki torch crowd confronted and roughed up a much smaller group in Charlottesville the night before the Unite the Right rally...and the counter demonstrators had the same right to free speech as the Nazis and white supremacists did...funny you don't seem to agree with that....But the right wingers clearly showed up to fight.



If you look carefully there is a small group of counter protestors at the base of the statue

 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
You are not paying attention....the tiki torch crowd confronted and roughed up a much smaller group in Charlottesville the night before the Unite the Right rally...and the counter demonstrators had the same right to free speech as the Nazis and white supremacists did...funny you don't seem to agree with that....But the right wingers clearly showed up to fight.



If you look carefully there is a small group of counter protestors at the base of the statue

while you hid in CO
 

BobbyT

Governor
People who actually know something about violence, work pretty damn hard to not have to use it. Because we actually know what it's like.
Then why all the fear of the "leftist violence" coming from the right? Shouldn't the right simply be bemused? or amused? The right seems to want to paint the left as passive do-nothings on the one hand, and out-of-control raging violent people on the other. It surely can't be both.
 

Colorforms

Senator
You are not paying attention....the tiki torch crowd confronted and roughed up a much smaller group in Charlottesville the night before the Unite the Right rally...and the counter demonstrators had the same right to free speech as the Nazis and white supremacists did...funny you don't seem to agree with that....But the right wingers clearly showed up to fight.



If you look carefully there is a small group of counter protestors at the base of the statue

The Tiki Torch crowd was confronted by people who were asked not to be there and showed up to cause trouble anyway. The protest was peaceful until the left incited violence, like they usually do.
 

freyasman

Senator
Then why all the fear of the "leftist violence" coming from the right? Shouldn't the right simply be bemused? or amused? The right seems to want to paint the left as passive do-nothings on the one hand, and out-of-control raging violent people on the other. It surely can't be both.
It's not. I have brought this up several times, especially to @middleview . The tricky part, is not letting the crazies drag the rest of us into a shitstorm. Kinda like when you stopped going out drinking with certain guys back when you were young, because they were always getting you into a brawl..... except it's not going to be just street brawls, it's going to be bullets flying. Because even if you don't respect a group in the traditional sense of the word, you need to respect the fact that they will shoot back. And the left especially, has lost sight of that critical survival trait. Many of them, like @middleview , for example, seem to think they will be able to dictate our response...... that's a type of stupidity that is usually fatal. That's actually Darwin Award level stupid.
 
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