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Bugsy McGurk

President
Sorry, I simply could not read through that drivel in its entirety. But I got enough to know that it is just more of your (patented) run of the mill propaganda effort to spin the facts away from the, well, factual, into something that supports your relentless effort to destroy America through the progressive scourge that has us mired in this predicament.

Mindless harping, meandering logic and mendacious propaganda. It's quite obvious that the last thing you want is give the current efforts a fair evaluation, nor are you interested in mentioning any of the progress that has undeniably been made the past few weeks. What your post makes abundantly clear is that you are perhaps the very last person we should be looking to for advice on what to do about any aspect of this crisis.
If you actually read the post you’ll find that it’s not about the “current efforts.” It’s about planning for the next phase. But you seem determined to simply make noise instead of addressing the topic.
 

Days

Commentator
You can only make noise.
You don't seem to understand that this is exactly what is happening...

the government is not trying to save any lives, the only thing the government cares is to try and manipulate the spread of the disease so that the health care system keeps up with demand. The virus is not going to be stopped, everyone who would otherwise have caught it immediately will still come down with it.

After that is accomplished, it will be back to work; we will not be waiting for the pandemic to end, we are waiting for the curve to start to flatten, that's what they have been saying from the beginning. So Trump's not bucking the program... he is executing it. And he is placing guidelines for the return to an active economy, which you claim you want. I have my own selfish desires to see the economy recover this year... my kid is set to graduate UIC at year's end with a degree in industrial engineering.

As far as this truly being a flu virus; that's why the fear is it will abate with warm weather and then revive with winter's onset... because that's what flu viruses do.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Swine Flue:
60 million Americans infected. 275,000 hospitalized. 12,500 dead.
(D) POTUS ... No media-fueled panic. No travel ban. No lockdowns. No closure orders.
And no manipulative, partisan top posts like that.
You are comparing an entire epidemic that took place over a year to the current crisis which isn't over yet. During the Swine flu how many died in one week at the beginning of the epidemic vs how many died last week?

Statistics aren't your strength.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
You don't seem to understand that this is exactly what is happening...

the government is not trying to save any lives, the only thing the government cares is to try and manipulate the spread of the disease so that the health care system keeps up with demand. The virus is not going to be stopped, everyone who would otherwise have caught it immediately will still come down with it.

After that is accomplished, it will be back to work; we will not be waiting for the pandemic to end, we are waiting for the curve to start to flatten, that's what they have been saying from the beginning. So Trump's not bucking the program... he is executing it. And he is placing guidelines for the return to an active economy, which you claim you want. I have my own selfish desires to see the economy recover this year... my kid is set to graduate UIC at year's end with a degree in industrial engineering.

As far as this truly being a flu virus; that's why the fear is it will abate with warm weather and then revive with winter's onset... because that's what flu viruses do.
Cutting through your gobbledegook, your view seems to be that we need do nothing - that everyone will just go back to work when “the curve starts to flatten.” I explained in the top post why that won’t happen without doing the things that sound planning requires. You just ignore all that. So be it.

And once again - it is not a flu virus. Your refusal to accept that basic, undeniable fact is striking. And quite telling.
 

Days

Commentator
Cutting through your gobbledegook, your view seems to be that we need do nothing - that everyone will just go back to work when “the curve starts to flatten.” I explained in the top post why that won’t happen without doing the things that sound planning requires. You just ignore all that. So be it.

And once again - it is not a flu virus. Your refusal to accept that basic, undeniable fact is striking. And quite telling.
Incredible.
It seems you are hell bent on unrelenting idiocy in the face of all reason....

But, I guess that's your MO.

FYI, this was not my concept, this is what the doctors and government are saying. I'm repeating the doctors and you are simply calling them wrong. I'm repeating what the government is doing and you are claiming it just ain't so... cuz, you say so... and then pretending that I'm confused.

You are the biggest ball of confusion on the internet. You couldn't care less about reality, all you care is push your talking points for the day and collect your pay for doing that... politics is anything but rational.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
If you actually read the post you’ll find that it’s not about the “current efforts.” It’s about planning for the next phase. But you seem determined to simply make noise instead of addressing the topic.
I don't really have to read your posts, as they are all the same - republicans are evil and democrats will deliver us all to the promised land. Even this one - you aren't interested in actually exploring plans or next steps here at all. You simply use it to snipe at what the republicans are doing, and promote the propaganda that they do not have a clue about what to do next. Fortunately for America, the American people aren't buying your bullshit:

 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I don't really have to read your posts, as they are all the same - republicans are evil and democrats will deliver us all to the promised land. Even this one - you aren't interested in actually exploring plans or next steps here at all. You simply use it to snipe at what the republicans are doing, and promote the propaganda that they do not have a clue about what to do next. Fortunately for America, the American people aren't buying your bullshit:

You put your finger on why wingers refuse to address the thread topic.

The topic suggests what the feds should be doing to prepare for the next phase. Hoping that things “open up” is not a plan. For the reasons discussed in the top post, opening things up to get the economy back on track to the extent possible will not just happen on its own. Plans have to be made and supplies have to be produced in mass quantities.

Why do wingers hate this topic? Because you do not place any demands on your cult leader Trump. You know he wasted two precious months already with his “hoax”/“it will just go away” idiocy, you know our medical workers STILL do not have what they need, and you know he cannot possibly see down the road and do what is required for the next phase. So, you just ignore the topic and make noise. All “politics,” you have been programmed to say.

Bottom line - wingers’ compulsion to maintain fealty to the buffoon-in-chief is more important to them than the future well being of the nation. That’s nothing short of remarkable.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
You put your finger on why wingers refuse to address the thread topic.

The topic suggests what the feds should be doing to prepare for the next phase. Hoping that things “open up” is not a plan. For the reasons discussed in the top post, opening things up to get the economy back on track to the extent possible will not just happen on its own. Plans have to be made and supplies have to be produced in mass quantities.

Why do wingers hate this topic? Because you do not place any demands on your cult leader Trump. You know he wasted two precious months already with his “hoax”/“it will just go away” idiocy, you know our medical workers STILL do not have what they need, and you know he cannot possibly see down the road and do what is required for the next phase. So, you just ignore the topic and make noise. All “politics,” you have been programmed to say.

Bottom line - wingers’ compulsion to maintain fealty to the buffoon-in-chief is more important to them than the future well being of the nation. That’s nothing short of remarkable.
Thanks for admitting that YOU "hope" that things DO NOT "open up." That is your goal here - sow maximum fear of any suggestion that we start exploring a return to normal. And we all know why - you are being paid to be here to stoke anti-Trump sentiments in an effort to give your employer (DNC) a return to power in 2020.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Thanks for admitting that YOU "hope" that things DO NOT "open up." That is your goal here - sow maximum fear of any suggestion that we start exploring a return to normal. And we all know why - you are being paid to be here to stoke anti-Trump sentiments in an effort to give your employer (DNC) a return to power in 2020.
And again you prove the point - you lie about what I said instead of addressing the top post.

Think about that - your fealty to your cult leader is so powerful that you refuse to even discuss things he should do to save the nation.

Remarkable.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
And again you prove the point - you lie about what I said instead of addressing the top post.

Think about that - your fealty to your cult leader is so powerful that you refuse to even discuss things he should do to save the nation.

Remarkable.
What he should do to "save the nation" is what he's been doing - exposing the hackery of leftists like you whose every effort is designed to produce one thing - expansion of the power of the (Marxist) DNC.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
What he should do to "save the nation" is what he's been doing - exposing the hackery of leftists like you whose every effort is designed to produce one thing - expansion of the power of the (Marxist) DNC.
Nope. The virus cares not one whit about such political idiocy. Such idiocy will not do a thing to make the “reopen” phase as successful as possible.

You should just admit it - your fealty to Trump precludes you from even discussing the things he should be doing. In other words, you have nothing of value to say.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Nope. The virus cares not one whit about such political idiocy. Such idiocy will not do a thing to make the “reopen” phase as successful as possible.

You should just admit it - your fealty to Trump precludes you from even discussing the things he should be doing. In other words, you have nothing of value to say.
Funny, it occurs to me that I have been saying an awful lot "of value." You just want to pretend it doesn't exist because it does such a superb job of deconstructing your propaganda.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Funny, it occurs to me that I have been saying an awful lot "of value." You just want to pretend it doesn't exist because it does such a superb job of deconstructing your propaganda.
Nope. Yapping about me is of no value in planning for the reopening phase. None.

Again, your fealty to Trump precludes you from offering anything of value. Like most Trump cultists, you never suggest concrete steps he should take. You wait until he does something, or doesn’t do something, and you then support that decision, whatever it is. That has always been the case with Trump cultists, and it remains the case even in the throes of a horrifying epidemic. Again, you value your fealty to Trump over the interests of the nation.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Nope. The virus cares not one whit about such political idiocy. Such idiocy will not do a thing to make the “reopen” phase as successful as possible.

You should just admit it - your fealty to Trump precludes you from even discussing the things he should be doing. In other words, you have nothing of value to say.
Cuomo dropped the ball for ventilators in 2015 and instead went for Solar Panels and said the hell with 'what happens next.'


Your fealty for Cuomo is sic.
 

JuliefromOhio

Senator
Supporting Member
No. You just don't like what I'm saying. The fact of the matter is everywhere you look cities towns municipalities etc or all preparing, are all practicing social distancing, venues are closed, people are washing their hands, covering their faces, millions upon millions of masks are on order, it is flowing everywhere you look. Not sure what more you would like me to say. Although I imagine it is something to the effect of despite all that it is all Trump's fault. Does that make you feel better?
Why are you still so defensive for Trump?
He refused to take the lead to battle this virus.
Any other president would've accepted the January warnings and put a federal plan in place. He didn't.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Nope. Yapping about me is of no value in planning for the reopening phase. None.

Again, your fealty to Trump precludes you from offering anything of value. Like most Trump cultists, you never suggest concrete steps he should take. You wait until he does something, or doesn’t do something, and you then support that decision, whatever it is. That has always been the case with Trump cultists, and it remains the case even in the throes of a horrifying epidemic. Again, you value your fealty to Trump over the interests of the nation.
Trump is taking concrete steps. He's issuing guidelines for everyone to follow, directing FEMA distribution of millions of PPE items, using the Defense Production act to get manufacturers moving to produce everything from masks to ventilators, putting military hospitals into various hot spots, moving heaven and earth to reduce or eliminate red tape obstructions for new testing and treatment regimes, and gathering and monitoring data that will help shape these efforts and inform the planning for reopening the nation for business. But because he doesn't ask "how high" when Cuomo says "jump" he's doing nothing in your view. Frankly, "nothing" is all you have to offer...
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Why are you still so defensive for Trump?
He refused to take the lead to battle this virus.
Any other president would've accepted the January warnings and put a federal plan in place. He didn't.

The man is an idiot.. I don't know what more you need from me.

Does not mean I have to agree with the bs spewed here. Facts are facts

And I certainly don't have to stand for the made up shit heaped on me
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Why are you still so defensive for Trump?
He refused to take the lead to battle this virus.
Any other president would've accepted the January warnings and put a federal plan in place. He didn't.
I know. I’m amazed at the effort put intodefending Trump by ihose who claim they HATE him.

Trump knew about this virus in early Jan and even as our numbers grew, he did NOTHING to prepare for it. Worst testing worldwide. Our numbers are much larger than what is being put out there. How many people had this virus, wasn’t tested, and went around spreading it before they finally start getting the testing started. And it still isn’t up to par. People are begging to be tested and they still aren’t. Why? This administration does not want the numbers to show because the Numbers prove what a shitty job they have done in protecting Americans. And Mr. bone spurs, what does he do? He puts it on the governors it’s the governor’s responsibility.
 
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