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EatTheRich

President
You mean like the ventilators they do not need yet? Seriously, why wasn't Cuomo raising a stink about this two months ago? He didn't because NOBODY saw it coming as bad as it is. Yet you and your 20/20 hind sight are acting like they were demanding these products in the early days of 2020 - they weren't!
EVERYONE except Trump and his sycophants saw it coming.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
We were out of masks long ago...masks the health care workers needed desperagtely. They were re-using their masks and other PPE and that is far from NOT NEEDED. They started hooking more than one person to one ventilator and that isnt' really safe.
And all that time there were 20,000 stockpiled.
Why didn't anyone think that it wouldn't get this bad when every other country WHO WERE BEING TESTED showed that it wasn't. We werren't testing people.....END OF STORY. Many had minor symptoms. NOW THAT WE'RE FINALLY TESTING more..watch the numbers grow. We should have been self quarantining ourselves much earlier. We had warning.....Trump sat it out, having parties at Mar a Lago and golfing while this was being spread.
Seriously, this is pretty simple - post the links to all of Cuomo's demands for ventilators and PPE from 2019. They don't exist! Everyone was caught off guard. You are simply using 20/20 hindsight and lying about the timeline on this thing.

They are NOT using one ventilator for two people (yet). They are exploring the feasibility of doing it, but they are not yet using all of the 4000 ventilators in New York hospitals, so why would they be "sharing" them?

And regardless, Cuomo had the opportunity to procure additional ventilators over the time he has been Governor - he didn't, but what he did was waste billions on (failed) green energy projects. If he was so prescient about needing ventilators, why wasn't he buying them instead of wasting taxpayer money on his "green" virtue signalling?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I addressed that idiotic “point” in the other thread.

Bottom line - medical workers and local officials have been begging for the required equipment for weeks. They have been predicting their imminent needs for weeks. And yet Trump just keeps bumbling along, yapping about “opening things up” by Easter.
WTF? do you think you can snap your fingers and create PPE and ventilators? We have been working on ramping up supplies, you just demand it be done "yesterday" even though nobody was asking for it "yesterday." And again New York is not yet using all of its existing hospital beds and ventilators, so they got additional beds and ventilators from the federal government BEFORE THEY WERE NEEDED. You just refuse to acknowledge the facts because you are nothing but a cheap propagandist!
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Seriously, this is pretty simple - post the links to all of Cuomo's demands for ventilators and PPE from 2019. They don't exist! Everyone was caught off guard. You are simply using 20/20 hindsight and lying about the timeline on this thing.

They are NOT using one ventilator for two people (yet). They are exploring the feasibility of doing it, but they are not yet using all of the 4000 ventilators in New York hospitals, so why would they be "sharing" them?

And regardless, Cuomo had the opportunity to procure additional ventilators over the time he has been Governor - he didn't, but what he did was waste billions on (failed) green energy projects. If he was so prescient about needing ventilators, why wasn't he buying them instead of wasting taxpayer money on his "green" virtue signalling?
Where did I suggest he requested them in 2019?? He didn't even know there was a virus in 2019.. Where do you get the idea he did that?? He "had the chance" no more than any other governor of any other state and your other BS is just that...BULLSHIT.
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
EVERYONE except Trump and his sycophants saw it coming.
Why would you even suggest 2019?? This is 2020 in case you have been in a coma. And TRUMP is the President. Not Cuomo. TRUMP missed gthe boat and now he's blaming the governors for his lack of action back in January and since.
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Sure

Watch.


Is the virus a hoax? Did Trump call it specifically a hoax?


Was the CDC in action as early as Jan 6?
What action did CDC take in as early as January 6? LINK???
Do you know how long it was before he closed the border (the only thing he has to brag about)....CHECK IT OUT!!! He kept saying he did it 'early on" but that's bullshit. He knew about the virus the whole month of January.
This article about shutting down the bordert was from FEBRUARY 2, 2020.

 

EatTheRich

President
No they didn't - show me Cuomo's request for ventilators in 2019. You can't because it doesn't exist.
I’m talking about in January, and February, and March, when everyone saw it coming, and Trump was saying everything was under control and people who might be sick should just go to work.
 

EatTheRich

President
WTF? do you think you can snap your fingers and create PPE and ventilators? We have been working on ramping up supplies, you just demand it be done "yesterday" even though nobody was asking for it "yesterday." And again New York is not yet using all of its existing hospital beds and ventilators, so they got additional beds and ventilators from the federal government BEFORE THEY WERE NEEDED. You just refuse to acknowledge the facts because you are nothing but a cheap propagandist!
Trump *started* “ramping up supplies” this week. The protocol given to him and followed by previous administrations would have had him starting in December.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
WTF? do you think you can snap your fingers and create PPE and ventilators? We have been working on ramping up supplies, you just demand it be done "yesterday" even though nobody was asking for it "yesterday." And again New York is not yet using all of its existing hospital beds and ventilators, so they got additional beds and ventilators from the federal government BEFORE THEY WERE NEEDED. You just refuse to acknowledge the facts because you are nothing but a cheap propagandist!
No one says the needed supplies can be created by snapping one’s fingers. But people have been begging for them for weeks now. During most of that time Trump was doing the opposite of getting such supplies made and distributed - he was calling the alarmed reactions to the virus a “hoax,” saying it “would just go away,” and similar idiocy.

These facts must be very painful for you. Your cult leader has failed miserably, and he continues to fail. Calling such facts “propaganda” does not change things - they are facts nonetheless.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
No one says the needed supplies can be created by snapping one’s fingers. But people have been begging for them for weeks now. During most of that time Trump was doing the opposite of getting such supplies made and distributed - he was calling the alarmed reactions to the virus a “hoax,” saying it “would just go away,” and similar idiocy.

These facts must be very painful for you. Your cult leader has failed miserably, and he continues to fail. Calling such facts “propaganda” does not change things - they are facts nonetheless.
So pretty much as soon as you people started demanding the Trump administration do something, they did. But that isn't good enough for you. Got it.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Trump *started* “ramping up supplies” this week. The protocol given to him and followed by previous administrations would have had him starting in December.
Nobody - not even you - was demanding any "ramping up" in December. This is simply the left, who didn't recognize this threat any sooner than the rest of us, using 20/20 hindsight to act like Trump dithered in the face of certain doom. He did not - he shut down the borders to Chinese, while the Europeans, you know, the countries you lefties tell us we should be more like, didn't, they all got it and then brought it here. Why weren't the progressive utopian euro-zone nations prepping in December? Well, it's because no one saw the threat level until fairly recently. And the Trump administration has been on it ever since, and the American people have noticed:

 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
I’m talking about in January, and February, and March, when everyone saw it coming, and Trump was saying everything was under control and people who might be sick should just go to work.
The europeans didn't see it coming in January or even early February. It's the President's job to be reassuring (while working behind the scenes to make preparations). Lets face it, if he had went all "hair on fire" over it you'd be bitching about him scaring people.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Where did I suggest he requested them in 2019?? He didn't even know there was a virus in 2019.. Where do you get the idea he did that?? He "had the chance" no more than any other governor of any other state and your other BS is just that...BULLSHIT.
Stop this mindless harping about perceived shortcomings - for all of its "failings" (nobody was ready for Covid-19) the US was (and is) ranked number 1 for health security:


If all of the vaunted socialist countries you people keep praising were doing much better than us with coronavirus then you would have a point. As it is, nobody was ready but we were "readyest." So shut up and sit down and let the experts solve this problem. You aren't only not helping, you are actively hindering the Trump administration efforts to deal with it.
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Stop this mindless harping about perceived shortcomings - for all of its "failings" (nobody was ready for Covid-19) the US was (and is) ranked number 1 for health security:


If all of the vaunted socialist countries you people keep praising were doing much better than us with coronavirus then you would have a point. As it is, nobody was ready but we were "readyest." So shut up and sit down and let the experts solve this problem. You aren't only not helping, you are actively hindering the Trump administration efforts to deal with it.
Oh BTW. You didn’t provide a link to your “2019” blather but maybe you should go to this link and read how a stable genius ridiculed his “Better”. SAD. Huh? Yeah RIGHT!! We were the “readyest”. The EXPERTS say we were far from ready and still are. You must be listening to Bone Spurs. He was as ready for this as he was ready to fight in Vietnam
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
What action did CDC take in as early as January 6? LINK???
Do you know how long it was before he closed the border (the only thing he has to brag about)....CHECK IT OUT!!! He kept saying he did it 'early on" but that's bullshit. He knew about the virus the whole month of January.
This article about shutting down the bordert was from FEBRUARY 2, 2020.




"On January 6, we offered to send a CDC team to China that could assist with these public health efforts."

"I reiterated that offer when I spoke to China's Minister of Health on Monday, and it was reiterated again via the World Health Organization today."

..and then a whole list of preparedness points follow
..
In January.
Good luck.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Oh BTW. You didn’t provide a link to your “2019” blather but maybe you should go to this link and read how a stable genius ridiculed his “Better”. SAD. Huh? Yeah RIGHT!! We were the “readyest”. The EXPERTS say we were far from ready and still are. You must be listening to Bone Spurs. He was as ready for this as he was ready to fight in Vietnam
Yes, all nations were (unprepared). You are holding Trump to an unreasonable standard, in that none of the progressive euro-zone countries were better prepared, or are achieving anything close to approaching the results we are (from a death rate perspective). Yet here you are day after day after day bitching about that relatively good performance. Sad, huh?
 

EatTheRich

President
Nobody - not even you - was demanding any "ramping up" in December. This is simply the left, who didn't recognize this threat any sooner than the rest of us, using 20/20 hindsight to act like Trump dithered in the face of certain doom. He did not - he shut down the borders to Chinese, while the Europeans, you know, the countries you lefties tell us we should be more like, didn't, they all got it and then brought it here. Why weren't the progressive utopian euro-zone nations prepping in December? Well, it's because no one saw the threat level until fairly recently. And the Trump administration has been on it ever since, and the American people have noticed:

The left WAS demanding this be taken seriously from at least January. And health and national security experts were demanding Trump start taking it seriously in December. And he was still telling people it was no big deal to go to work with symptoms in March.
 
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