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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Nostra, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Emily

    Emily NSDAP Kanzler

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    But the idea was to implement them. That was the goal. But it never happened; every time, they became totalitarian regimes. Over & over again.
    So...
    maaaybe...
    there's something inherently wrong in the communist idea.
    Like that it's contrary to reality, incompatible with human nature, and/or unworkable on any large scale.
     
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  2. Spamature

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    Maybe there is something inherently wrong with it ? They say eventually Capitalism will turn into feudalism. I don't think we can devise a perfect system on a large scale because it will always be created and implemented by imperfect human beings.
     
  3. Emily

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    Some do, yes. My ideological compatriots say that Capitalism will inevitably turn into Communism. Looks to me that the US is right now proving both assessments correct.

    Yes, I agree.
    That said, and by your own words, every attempt to implement Communism on even a moderately large scale has always failed to implement and sustain Communism. Also, significantly, it has always brought much suffering and death in the name of Communism on the way to NOT implementing and sustaining the Communism.
     
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    Following Stalin’s counterrevolution ...
     
  5. Nostra

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    How many millions died under Stalin’s utopia?
     
  6. EatTheRich

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    Communism is not a ready-made utopia. It is a concrete struggle for workers’ power that like any other struggle is messy and full of contradictions. If communism is the new baby this world is giving birth to, the Soviet Union is the first labor pang and you are the quack physician advising an abortion because it hurts.
     
  7. Nostra

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    Soviet citizens living under it aborted it.
     
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  8. EatTheRich

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    Perhaps 9 million ... confirming Lenin and Trotsky who alone were against Stalin’s takeover of the Soviet Union when Stalin was supported against them by every capitalist political current.
     
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    They aborted the Stalinist regime in order to protect the workers’ revolution.
     
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    Even your fellow commie butt-boys don't believe that line. Is there any commie propaganda you won't swallow whole?
     
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  11. Nostra

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    Communism is awesome, huh?:D
     
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    Why do workers need a revolution under the utopia of communism?
     
  13. Spamature

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    No Capitalism serves capital, in the long run it leads to a great concentration of wealth, not a greater distribution.


    Yes.
     
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  14. EatTheRich

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    Fact: the workers who stopped the Litvinov coup and overthrew Gorbachev were protesting perestroika, a precursor of the capitalist “reforms” that could be pushed through only by the unbridled terror of the Putin regime.
     
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    Violent resistance to it does not prove otherwise.
     
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    Workers need an international revolution to make communism (which is not a utopia but an entirely real possibility) a reality. The Russian revolution which Stalin, Gorbachev, and Putin all did their best to stifle was one episode in that international revolution.
     
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  17. Nostra

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    Yeah, every great Government systematically executes anyone who speaks out against it.

    If your utopia existed here, you wouldn’t be around.
     
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    Most of those executed for speaking out against the Soviet Union were communists executed for speaking out against the anti communist course of Stalin.
     
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    That's true. In saying that capitalism leads eventually to communism, we're referring to the fact -- acknowledged by both of us -- that "communism" in practice, as opposed to in theory, has always become a totalitarian system with wealth concentrated among elites and the masses destitute both economically and spiritually.

    An international revolution hasn't ever worked because it defies human nature and the Natural Law that, ultimately, governs all life. National revolution by essentially homogeneous, united masses can and has worked. A nationalist socialism (note the lower case & phrasing) is realistic. It's been done -- under whatever appellation -- and it's worked, right up to the point when either war or globalism brought it down.
     
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    Stalin wasn’t a commie? That’s a new one.
     
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