Bugsy McGurk
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This is a fine example of the horrendous GOP dishonesty that plagues the nation. They are not really dopey enough to think that Obama was arming ISIS. But they still say it.
Liberals you can thank obama and Clinton for this
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Once again...a factfree post straight out of the The Sphincter....
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad was created in 1999. It was a handful of fighters led by al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian. After 911 he and his group fled Jordan for Iraq.
By 2003, when the US invaded Iraq there were a hundred or so fighters. In 2004 he pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda, gaining resources, mostly money. Jamat became Al Qaeda in Iraq. The US disbanded the Iraqi army and put 250,000 trained soldiers out of work. Where do you think they went? The couldn't work for the government because we had limited government jobs to people who'd never belonged to the Baath party. Guess who was hiring? Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Try looking into the dramatic increase in the terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda in Iraq after 2003;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama'at_al-Tawhid_wal-Jihad#In_Jordan_.281999.E2.80.932001.29
Former US military adviser David Kilcullen says there would be no Isis without Iraq invasion
The group pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden in 2004 and changed its name to al-Qaeda in Iraq before Zarqawi was killed in 2006, when his members merged with other insurgent groups to form the Islamic State of Iraq.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-war-invasion-caused-isis-islamic-state-daesh-saysus-military-adviser-david-kilcullen-a6912236.html
The leader of ISIS is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi------He's Iraqi.
the top field commanders running the Islamist militant group known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) are from Iraq
The six individuals who have been at the helm of the terror group are from Iraq, Deputy Minister of Iraq's Interior Ministry Adnan al-Asadi told Al Arabiya in an exclusive interview to be aired on Friday.
At least three of them served in Saddam Hussein’s army while others were previously detained in Iraq and upon their release they joined the war in Syria.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/02/13/Exclusive-Top-ISIS-leaders-revealed.html
Bush invades Iraq in 2003. Al Qaeda in Iraq gains tens of thousands of trained and armed soldiers when Bush disbands the Iraqi army. They become ISIS by merging with other terrorist groups and take over large parts of Syria and Iraq. When the people of Libya overthrow Qaddafi in 2011 they send people to Libya and you blame Obama....
ISIS has been selling captives as slaves since 2011 or so...again, if the US had not invaded Iraq in 2003 there would be no ISIS.
Bugsy McGurk
President
A remarkable illustration of how far GOP cultists will go to avoid placing blame on their cult leaders.
No sensible person denies that the Iraq war lead to the creation and growth of ISIS, but GOP cultists see no need to be sensible.
;-)
No sensible person denies that the Iraq war lead to the creation and growth of ISIS, but GOP cultists see no need to be sensible.
;-)
Constitutional Sheepdog
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Wrong NATO DIDN'T TAKE CHARGE OF OPERATIONS UNTIL APRIL.
You think this happen a long time ago? Either you're a lying sinner or a confused sinner.
You're data is very inaccurate France had 29 aircraft flying 29 is not going to fly 6000 missions.
They have to do a fact check of their own information because they didn't get it right
FactCheck and revealed that the UK has conducted 12 per cent of all sorties overall. They said the UK did only 10%
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Constitutional Sheepdog
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What is remarkable is you have a lapse of memory and think this happen a long time ago. 2011 wasn't that long ago. I was calling for impeachment of obama for not getting congressional approval before NATO took control.
Are you really that dense? Nato taking charge would be the apple and Nato nations flying missions would be the Orange...
apple does not equal orange.
Constitutional Sheepdog
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only a Moslem would say
‘The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander the Prophet of Islam’
Constitutional Sheepdog
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No you're just that dense your source contradicts itself and has to have a fact check of itself. or didn't you read that part/
really? a difference of 2% is a big deal to you, while your information is from just a few weeks into the months long air campaign. You pretend your information is meaningful and get all huffy about a rounding error.
Constitutional Sheepdog
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You said
"The French were responsible for about 70% of the air strikes on Libyan troops. The US provided logistics for other Nato air forces."
You were wrong on both accounts., If the U.S. is only providing LOGISTICS why so many aircraft flying so many missions?
Really? "Only a Muslim"? It was clearly an attempt to point out to Muslims that ISIS and the terrorists were slandering the prophet of their religion and get moderates to see the damage being done to their religion.
You are one of the morons who think all we need to do is call them "Islamic Extremists" and the war would be over.
The French had
18 Mirage, 16 Rafaele, 6 Mirage F1, 6 Super Entendard, 3 Tigers, 16 Gazelle aircraft. On the Charles De Gaulle there were 28 Rafael fighter bombers.
By my math that makes it substantially more than 29 combat aircraft. I understand republican math is more convenient for you. I guess that is how you got to 6,000 missions....
Your own numbers showed by May 5th there were 29 French planes and they'd flown 1,200 missions and mine shows by August they'd flown another 1,000 with a good bump in aircraft as their aircraft carrier arrived and more planes were shifted to Corsica.
Ok, so either you are simply being dishonest or you are simply not smart enough to comprehend the facts.
Nato, which has run operations in Libya since the beginning of April, doesn't give out details of individual member's efforts so we went to each country's defence ministry direct to find out for ourselves.
And the U.S. started Air operations in early March. started air operation in early March.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/may/22/nato-libya-data-journalism-operations-country#data
Just thought I'd point out...your source says the US flew 2,000 sorties but dropped 455 bombs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-MRQdTRy8iUeBsbptkRDF92fL6Zd7oFbSGxUQUSuJ0/edit?hl=en_US&hl=en_US#gid=0
I'm not sure what their numbers actually represent. Are they counting flights to support the no fly zone as combat sorties even if they do not engage enemy forces?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-MRQdTRy8iUeBsbptkRDF92fL6Zd7oFbSGxUQUSuJ0/edit?hl=en_US&hl=en_US#gid=0
Constitutional Sheepdog
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Keep digging that hole sinner
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obama is already attacking libya even before a NATO agreement can be made
"No decision on anything." The United States has said it plans to turn over command within days.
http://news.trust.org//item/20110323220400-l4e0j/
Funny thing....looks to me like you are the one with some 'splainin' to do.
Did the Nato operation in Libya end on May 5th 2011? If not then why is that the data you used?
Constitutional Sheepdog
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Without obama there wouldn't be an ISIS.
Are you trying to say that only the US was flying missions over Iraq until Nato took command? I can't believe you don't think that ditch is deep enough.
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No the US WAS STILL FLYING AIR ATTACKS NOTHING ON France.
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