Looks like the case may be cracking

[PhilFish]

If he’s allowed to bring them. I think Trump will move to can him/replace him. It’s the banana republican move.

No worse a move than making shit up. Good luck...

 

[PhilFish]

I don't know what you think the Clinton campaign did that was illegal. There could well be reason to investigate the Clinton Foundation.

Bear in mind that Clinton's fee of $500k for a speech was paid by something like 12 different clients around the world...not just the Russian bank. That makes it somewhat less alarming that someone paid that fee.

There is info peripheral to the Russian purchase of the Uranium mine that should be investigated. I'm not sure where it leads, but it seems there was a concerted effort to control not just that asset but the ability to transport uranium around the US through intimidation and kickbacks.

So far there is no info that Hillary had anything to do with the sale of the mine. Let an investigation determine the facts.

I guess. But the mere notion that trump or anyone associated with who merely looks in the direction of Russia us suddenly cast as suspicious.

Look we're all adults here and if playing it out suits some, have at it. I think most of it is theater, and definitely lop sided and selective..

I say go for it. Hopefully trump will pass before the end of his second term

 

[Boca]

Pay attention, dipshit, he didn't say it was Obama. he said it was Obama's people, and it was. All of the dirty POS in this witch-hunt are Obama's people.

Yep...it's much easier to argue and divert with something that wasn't said. That was only two words....I guess you'd have to call it strawboy instead of strawman .

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

No worse a move than making shit up. Good luck...

Who made shit up, besides Trump?

 

[JackDallas]

Who made shit up, besides Trump?

How about the Russian/Trump Collusion thing? That's all made up.

 

[Dawg]

I presented it as-is, with no commentary. So, again, what makes you think I thought it was accurate?

You sure make MV Laugh..........

 

[Dawg]

I guess. But the mere notion that trump or anyone associated with who merely looks in the direction of Russia us suddenly cast as suspicious.

Look we're all adults here and if playing it out suits some, have at it. I think most of it is theater, and definitely lop sided and selective..

I say go for it. Hopefully trump will pass before the end of his second term

Of course it's lib Theater........more like 'Days Of Our Lives'..........boring and takes months to find out ho much coffee a cup will hold.........now the Russian Collusion is a Porn Star:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-stormy-daniels-saga-could-turn-into-a-big-deal-for-muellers-trump-probe-experts-say/ar-BBKryZU?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

It's a Pin-The-Tail-On-The-Donkey.............throw the damn Dart!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

How about the Russian/Trump Collusion thing? That's all made up.

Only in Trumplandia.

 

[EatTheRich]

The crime would have been collusion with the Russian government to put unfavorable information into the media to boost Trump's chances of election in return for a relaxation of sanctions or other pro-Russia or pro-Putin policies. Prior to the election Trump had talked about leaving Nato, relaxing sanctions, cooperating with Russia in Syria and walking away from any negative action related to the fighting in Ukraine.

Still think they are in search of a crime?

Sounds to me like you're trying to criminalize political disagreement with your own positions.

 

[Sickofleft]

Thank you for telling us what the Russians care or don't care about. Good to have a mind reader on PJ....although the evidence is that the Russians did not release email hacked from the RNC server or any of the volumes of material available about Trump.

As far as sowing doubt in the election process....what was Trump trying to do when he claimed he knew that there were 5 million fraudulent votes cast for Hillary? Was he helping the Russians along?

Obama's sanctions and efforts in Syria embarrassed Putin and cost him a ton of money.
Putin made a big deal of sending their only aircraft carrier to the Med to fly missions over Syria and had to follow it around with a tug incase it broke down....that was funny...and when the Brits spotted the carrier over the horizon from it's smoke...even funnier...then the Turks shoot down a Russian plane and he looks even more like a spineless ass....

Yeah, he was doing just great when Obama was in charge.

You are hopeless dead ender when it comes to the defense of Obama. One of the reasons the situation in Syria is such a [Unwelcome language removed] disaster is our dear former President did nothing about it in order to keep the Iranians at the Nuclear talks. His disappearing red line made him an international laughing stock, as Assad continued to gas people with Chlorine.

Hundreds of thousands of people dead in order for President Hope and Change could get a "deal" with the Iranians that is not worth the paper it is written on. The fact is Obama's mishandling of Syria had allowed the Russians back into the Middle East as a major power broker. You think Putin gives a shit about money? He has billion dollar contracts to build shiny new nuclear reactors in Iran, he still controls a large portion of the gas supply to the rest of Europe.......and lets not forget they still have a nuclear arsenal that could end life as we know it on this planet. Somehow you think because on of there Navy ships is smoky they are somehow harmless, planes get shot down in war zones....it's not an indictment of the collective strength of any military power on the planet.

FACT: LIFE under Obama was wonderful for Putin, he didn't give a shit who won the election. (Obama even got rid of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe because it upset Putin and got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN FOR ENDING IT PER THE RUSSIANS REQUEST).....

Worst President since the close of WWII... President Barrack Hussein Obama...hands down.

 

[EatTheRich]

You are hopeless dead ender when it comes to the defense of Obama. One of the reasons the situation in Syria is such a [Unwelcome language removed] disaster is our dear former President did nothing about it in order to keep the Iranians at the Nuclear talks. His disappearing red line made him an international laughing stock, as Assad continued to gas people with Chlorine.

Hundreds of thousands of people dead in order for President Hope and Change could get a "deal" with the Iranians that is not worth the paper it is written on. The fact is Obama's mishandling of Syria had allowed the Russians back into the Middle East as a major power broker. You think Putin gives a shit about money? He has billion dollar contracts to build shiny new nuclear reactors in Iran, he still controls a large portion of the gas supply to the rest of Europe.......and lets not forget they still have a nuclear arsenal that could end life as we know it on this planet. Somehow you think because on of there Navy ships is smoky they are somehow harmless, planes get shot down in war zones....it's not an indictment of the collective strength of any military power on the planet.

FACT: LIFE under Obama was wonderful for Putin, he didn't give a shit who won the election. (Obama even got rid of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe because it upset Putin and got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN FOR ENDING IT PER THE RUSSIANS REQUEST).....

Worst President since the close of WWII... President Barrack Hussein Obama...hands down.

Syria gave up large stocks of chemical weapons in response to Obama's threats. And Clinton's politics were more russophobic than Obama 's ever were.

 

[Sickofleft]

Syria gave up large stocks of chemical weapons in response to Obama's threats. And Clinton's politics were more russophobic than Obama 's ever were.

Yep, Assad was soooooooooooooo afraid of Obama he kept gassing people with Chlorine......... pretty much tells the world just how "afraid" Obama made him.

 

[middleview]

You are hopeless dead ender when it comes to the defense of Obama. One of the reasons the situation in Syria is such a [Unwelcome language removed] disaster is our dear former President did nothing about it in order to keep the Iranians at the Nuclear talks. His disappearing red line made him an international laughing stock, as Assad continued to gas people with Chlorine.

Hundreds of thousands of people dead in order for President Hope and Change could get a "deal" with the Iranians that is not worth the paper it is written on. The fact is Obama's mishandling of Syria had allowed the Russians back into the Middle East as a major power broker. You think Putin gives a shit about money? He has billion dollar contracts to build shiny new nuclear reactors in Iran, he still controls a large portion of the gas supply to the rest of Europe.......and lets not forget they still have a nuclear arsenal that could end life as we know it on this planet. Somehow you think because on of there Navy ships is smoky they are somehow harmless, planes get shot down in war zones....it's not an indictment of the collective strength of any military power on the planet.

FACT: LIFE under Obama was wonderful for Putin, he didn't give a shit who won the election. (Obama even got rid of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe because it upset Putin and got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN FOR ENDING IT PER THE RUSSIANS REQUEST).....

Worst President since the close of WWII... President Barrack Hussein Obama...hands down.

Their one and only aircraft carrier, followed by a tug in case of breakdowns, smoking like a harbor tug and with about 10 working toilets for 2,000 sailors...lost two planes when they tried to land on the carrier...had to turn around and go home. Gives new meaning to the "poop deck".



So the claim that somehow Putin really showed the US with his successful use of military resources and that he defeated ISIS is pretty silly.

The missile defense system would have been a fart in a windstorm if the Russian launched an attack. How many troops did Obama put into the Baltics and Poland to provide training and assistance to their military? Why is Putin so pissed about it?

How much money did the sanctions cost Putin?

 

[middleview]

Yep, Assad was soooooooooooooo afraid of Obama he kept gassing people with Chlorine......... pretty much tells the world just how "afraid" Obama made him.

From the time that the weapons were destroyed, how long was it before there was another incident? Years?

 

[middleview]

You are hopeless dead ender when it comes to the defense of Obama. One of the reasons the situation in Syria is such a [Unwelcome language removed] disaster is our dear former President did nothing about it in order to keep the Iranians at the Nuclear talks. His disappearing red line made him an international laughing stock, as Assad continued to gas people with Chlorine.

Hundreds of thousands of people dead in order for President Hope and Change could get a "deal" with the Iranians that is not worth the paper it is written on. The fact is Obama's mishandling of Syria had allowed the Russians back into the Middle East as a major power broker. You think Putin gives a shit about money? He has billion dollar contracts to build shiny new nuclear reactors in Iran, he still controls a large portion of the gas supply to the rest of Europe.......and lets not forget they still have a nuclear arsenal that could end life as we know it on this planet. Somehow you think because on of there Navy ships is smoky they are somehow harmless, planes get shot down in war zones....it's not an indictment of the collective strength of any military power on the planet.

FACT: LIFE under Obama was wonderful for Putin, he didn't give a shit who won the election. (Obama even got rid of a missile defense system in Eastern Europe because it upset Putin and got ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN FOR ENDING IT PER THE RUSSIANS REQUEST).....

Worst President since the close of WWII... President Barrack Hussein Obama...hands down.

1. The worst president since 1929 was George W. Bush.
- 4,500 American soldiers killed in a war in which the US had nothing at all to gain.
- hundreds of thousands dead because Bush destabilized both Iraq and Syria.
- world wide terrorism increased exponentially after Bush disbanded the Iraqi army.
- GDP dropped by nearly 9% in Bush's last year.

Don't worry though, Trump is showing great promise and may just make it to the bottom, as well.

2. Assad killed his own people. You'd like to make Obama responsible for the civil war in Syria, but what would president Sicko have done? Would you have committed US troops to fighting in Syria? You've criticized Obama for providing weapons and training to some of the Anti-Assad forces, but the fact is that identifying the people we wanted to do business with was an impossible task and the effort ended in failure. I do not blame Obama for that, it was just an impossible task. You do blame him because it is a symptom of your ODS.

Why hasn't Trump thrown out the Iran treaty? Why do

3. Yes, I think Putin gives a shit about money....especially the money that belongs to his network of cronies.

Again...what would you have done in Syria to end the fighting and save all those lives?

 

[Sickofleft]

1. The worst president since 1929 was George W. Bush.
- 4,500 American soldiers killed in a war in which the US had nothing at all to gain.
- hundreds of thousands dead because Bush destabilized both Iraq and Syria.
- world wide terrorism increased exponentially after Bush disbanded the Iraqi army.
- GDP dropped by nearly 9% in Bush's last year.

Don't worry though, Trump is showing great promise and may just make it to the bottom, as well.

2. Assad killed his own people. You'd like to make Obama responsible for the civil war in Syria, but what would president Sicko have done? Would you have committed US troops to fighting in Syria? You've criticized Obama for providing weapons and training to some of the Anti-Assad forces, but the fact is that identifying the people we wanted to do business with was an impossible task and the effort ended in failure. I do not blame Obama for that, it was just an impossible task. You do blame him because it is a symptom of your ODS.

Why hasn't Trump thrown out the Iran treaty? Why do

3. Yes, I think Putin gives a shit about money....especially the money that belongs to his network of cronies.

Again...what would you have done in Syria to end the fighting and save all those lives?

YAWN.

President Sicko would have put as much pressure on the Assad regime as possible. Unlike Obama who did not do that because he apparently wanted to make sure Iran got their nukes before he left office. President Sicko would have never had a red line, if I had a red line it would not have magically disappeared the minute someone like Putin offered to take care of things for us. President Sicko would not have withdrawn from Iraq unless it was in our strategic interest and not for a [Unwelcome language removed] campaign slogan.

President Sicko would have never in a million years agreed to something as [Unwelcome language removed] lopsided as the "Iran Nuclear Deal", never would have paid them ransom money, never would have lifted the sanctions, never would have returned billions in frozen assets. Would have never created an echo chamber in the press to lie to the American people about the deal, any deal at all would have been treated as a treaty and sent to the Senate instead of running around Congress and going right to the UN.

A fifth grader would have been a better President when it came to this stuff then Obama.

Ps. Trump will end that deal once and for all now that Tillerson is gone and THANK GOD, it's a suicide pact.

 

[Sickofleft]

From the time that the weapons were destroyed, how long was it before there was another incident? Years?

what difference does it make...........

Is that what helps you sleep at night? Sad

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-syria-chemicalweapons/

There have been dozens of chlorine attacks and at least one major sarin attack since 2013, causing more than 200 deaths and hundreds of injuries. International inspectors say there have been more than 100 reported incidents of chemical weapons being used in the past two years alone.

 

[middleview]

YAWN.

President Sicko would have put as much pressure on the Assad regime as possible. Unlike Obama who did not do that because he apparently wanted to make sure Iran got their nukes before he left office. President Sicko would have never had a red line, if I had a red line it would not have magically disappeared the minute someone like Putin offered to take care of things for us. President Sicko would not have withdrawn from Iraq unless it was in our strategic interest and not for a [Unwelcome language removed] campaign slogan.

President Sicko would have never in a million years agreed to something as [Unwelcome language removed] lopsided as the "Iran Nuclear Deal", never would have paid them ransom money, never would have lifted the sanctions, never would have returned billions in frozen assets. Would have never created an echo chamber in the press to lie to the American people about the deal, any deal at all would have been treated as a treaty and sent to the Senate instead of running around Congress and going right to the UN.

A fifth grader would have been a better President when it came to this stuff then Obama.

Ps. Trump will end that deal once and for all now that Tillerson is gone and THANK GOD, it's a suicide pact.

Yeah...Obama didn't put any pressure on Assad... Where in hell have you been?

The civil war in Syria started in 2011. The negotiations have been going on for decades. Iran was far closer to a breakout before the agreement than they are now. So there was no progress under HW Bush, Clinton or "W". Since the agreement the Iranians have disabled the reactor that would have produced weapons grade material. They have dismantled 2/3rds of their centrifuges.

We would not be better off without the agreement and the negotiators of 6 countries disagree with you.

You should read the timeline.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheet/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

The "ransom money" as you call it was their money. It was released.

 

[Sickofleft]

Yeah...Obama didn't put any pressure on Assad... Where in hell have you been?

The civil war in Syria started in 2011. The negotiations have been going on for decades. Iran was far closer to a breakout before the agreement than they are now. So there was no progress under HW Bush, Clinton or "W". Since the agreement the Iranians have disabled the reactor that would have produced weapons grade material. They have dismantled 2/3rds of their centrifuges.

We would not be better off without the agreement and the negotiators of 6 countries disagree with you.

You should read the timeline.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheet/Timeline-of-Nuclear-Diplomacy-With-Iran

The "ransom money" as you call it was their money. It was released.

Horseshit:

When you have people you are holding on an air strip that will not be released until a certain amount of money arrives that is a Ransom. I don't care if was "theirs", I am sure the Mafia has money that is legitimately owed to them.....are you for making sure they get it?

Iran was far closer to a breakout before the agreement than they are now.

Says who?

“We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”




Since the IAEA can't inspect anything worth inspecting you seem awfully confident that this deal has prevented them from doing anything......but don't worry when the World wakes up to Mullahs with Nukes..... i will be here to shove this down the throat of every Obama supporter I can find...........sleep well you will need it.

 

[middleview]

what difference does it make...........

Is that what helps you sleep at night? Sad

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mideast-crisis-syria-chemicalweapons/

There have been dozens of chlorine attacks and at least one major sarin attack since 2013, causing more than 200 deaths and hundreds of injuries. International inspectors say there have been more than 100 reported incidents of chemical weapons being used in the past two years alone.

In persuit of your ODS, you seem to think there was no value in the destruction of thousands of tons of chemical weapons. Nobody at the time said it would keep Assad from ever gaining more weapons. Some are dual use, like chlorine or the materials to make mustard gas.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/apr/05/revisiting-obama-track-record-syrias-chemical-weap/

How many more would have died following your limp writed "pressure" on Assad.

What would have happened if Trump were in charge? At the time he said "let them fight it out, why do we care"....