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Lukey

Senator
Marx's theories about society, economics and politics—collectively known as Marxism—hold that all societies progress through the dialectic of class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class which controls production and a lower class which produces the labour for such goods. Heavily critical of the current socio-economic form of society, capitalism, he called it the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie", believing it to be run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit, and predicted that, like previous socioeconomic systems, it would inevitably produce internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system, socialism.[4] He argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".[5][6] He believed that socialism would, in its turn, eventually be replaced by a stateless, classless society called communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

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Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
Marx's theories about society, economics and politics—collectively known as Marxism—hold that all societies progress through the dialectic of class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class which controls production and a lower class which produces the labour for such goods. Heavily critical of the current socio-economic form of society, capitalism, he called it the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie", believing it to be run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit, and predicted that, like previous socioeconomic systems, it would inevitably produce internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system, socialism.[4] He argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".[5][6] He believed that socialism would, in its turn, eventually be replaced by a stateless, classless society called communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

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Obsessive-compulsive disorder is an anxiety disorder in which people have unwanted and repeated thoughts, feelings, ideas, sensations (obsessions), or behaviors that make them feel driven to do something (compulsions).


Often the person carries out the behaviors to get rid of the obsessive thoughts, but this only provides temporary relief. Not performing the obsessive rituals can cause great anxiety.


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Lukey

Senator
Obsessive-compulsive disorder is an anxiety disorder in which people have unwanted and repeated thoughts, feelings, ideas, sensations (obsessions), or behaviors that make them feel driven to do something (compulsions).


Often the person carries out the behaviors to get rid of the obsessive thoughts, but this only provides temporary relief. Not performing the obsessive rituals can cause great anxiety.


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LOL! That describes you Obamabots to a fricking "t" Craig. And you know it...
 

Lukey

Senator
You'd be anxiety ridden were you not to come here every morning and make your quota of marxist posts...
Because I love rubbing the left's nose in it. You elected a Marxist President and you are supporting his Marxist agenda yet you won't accept that you are Marxists. I find it amusing that you support an agenda you refuse to overtly embrace...
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
Because I love rubbing the left's nose in it. You elected a Marxist President and you are supporting his Marxist agenda yet you won't accept that you are Marxists. I find it amusing that you support an agenda you refuse to overtly embrace...
You have been wrong the entire time...and you're wrong now. I have never advocated a worker's ownership society. You on the other hand...have embraced socialism...as you happily write off your speculative losses and mortgage deductions et al.

You've done this spiel for 4 years now. Every morning...Lukey pops up to write a few Marxist posts. And every day, you need to told that sorry...no...the forced worker's paradise you attribute to me isn't anything I've ever supported.

But...if a company wishes to go that route, I can't fault it either. Their decision as a company.
 

ITALIA

Mayor
Because I love rubbing the left's nose in it. You elected a Marxist President and you are supporting his Marxist agenda yet you won't accept that you are Marxists. I find it amusing that you support an agenda you refuse to overtly embrace...
Meanwhile since Obama took office that Marxist Wall Street S&P 500 has almost doubled. Go figure.
 

Lukey

Senator
You have been wrong the entire time...and you're wrong now. I have never advocated a worker's ownership society. You on the other hand...have embraced socialism...as you happily write off your speculative losses and mortgage deductions et al.

You've done this spiel for 4 years now. Every morning...Lukey pops up to write a few Marxist posts. And every day, you need to told that sorry...no...the forced worker's paradise you attribute to me isn't anything I've ever supported.

But...if a company wishes to go that route, I can't fault it either. Their decision as a company.
Marx argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".

That's the Obama agenda in bas relief. It's so clear you can reach out and touch it. And it is clearly Marx's teaching that it is a phase of implementing his principles. So, in this phase, not even MARX would be "advocating that the workers own the means of production." You have to "control" it first and that's behind everything Obama does.
 

ITALIA

Mayor
So has gasoline. It's the dollar going down, not the S&P 500 going up...
Gas was over $4.00 under Bush early 2008. The only reason it was lower when Obama took office was the world was on the edge of a Second Great Depression. I have made a ton of money since Obama has been in office. Love that Marxism.
 

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
Marx argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".

That's the Obama agenda in bas relief. It's so clear you can reach out and touch it. And it is clearly Marx's teaching that it is a phase of implementing his principles. So, in this phase, not even MARX would be "advocating that the workers own the means of production." You have to "control" it first and that's behind everything Obama does.
Like I said...and you do not dispute in the slightest....you're a socialist. I don't see Obama trying to institute such. I see just another Ivy League educated attorney...working with the Oligarchs...a tad less than did Bush. To you...it's marxism. Yes...OCD.

And again...I do dispute your notion that I seek a worker's paradise. I'm happy to admit that I do want good conditions for working people...but ownership is a different matter. Dude...we have 401K's and pensions and the gamut of investments to worry over just as you do.
 

Lukey

Senator
Gas was over $4.00 under Bush early 2008. The only reason it was lower when Obama took office was the world was on the edge of a Second Great Depression. I have made a ton of money since Obama has been in office. Love that Marxism.
That was because of two wars in the middle east. The wars are over now. It's the dollar:

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Lukey

Senator
One war is over one isn't. Now you have Iran, Syria and China, India eating up gobs of oil. This Marxism stuff is BS.
Sure it is...

Frank Marshall Davis, seeking out the Marxist professors, the "career" as a "community organizer," the tight relationships with the unions, Van Jones, Anita Dunn with her "favorite philosopher" Chairman Mao, demonizing the wealthy, putting "fairness" in taxation over economic growth and federal revenue. None of that is BS - it's all fact. Marx's theory features the following:

Marx argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".

ANY unbiased appraisal would note that there is not a lot of daylight between that part of Marx's theory and Obama's agenda.
 

wobblies

Mayor
Marx's theories about society, economics and politics—collectively known as Marxism—hold that all societies progress through the dialectic of class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class which controls production and a lower class which produces the labour for such goods. Heavily critical of the current socio-economic form of society, capitalism, he called it the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie", believing it to be run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit, and predicted that, like previous socioeconomic systems, it would inevitably produce internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system, socialism.[4] He argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".[5][6] He believed that socialism would, in its turn, eventually be replaced by a stateless, classless society called communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

Sound like anybody you know?
That's not a bad summary of Marx's economic views of social evolution, but it fails to explain what he meant by a dictatorship. He believed that working people would have to take power by force because the owning class held all political power and used it to violently suppress efforts by working people to struggle for their rights. If you are objective about 19th century European history, you know that efforts by working people to speak out or organize were crushed by private goons or the state. As you also quote, he anticipated the evolution of society to a point where all would participate and benefit from the economic system.

Let me also remind you that all 18th and 19th century Socialists and Communist, including Marx, along with other then progressive groups were the strongest advocates of Democratic reforms. Most Socialists and Communists in America are and have always been struggled for the rights of working people.

Getting back to Marx, he was the greatest social scholar of the last Millennia. He systematically laid out how Capitalism works as an economic system. I highly recommend that you read Capital.

Unfortunately, most Democrats today have neither an understanding of Marx, nor do they support his general views of Capitalism. Most, however, do recognize that the wealthy among us are using their political power to influence policies to the exclusive benefit. I applaud them for that and hope that they expand their position after November.
 

Lobato1

Mayor
You LIE

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Lobato1

Because I love rubbing the left's nose in it. You elected a Marxist President and you are supporting his Marxist agenda yet you won't accept that you are Marxists. I find it amusing that you support an agenda you refuse to overtly embrace...
 
I am reminded of a joke told in Russia during the 90s...Everything Marx told us about communism was wrong but everything he said about capitalism was right. Lukey just parrots right wing lines without any deeper understanding of the issues or the history he so often uses to justify his unfounded views. Marx continues to be one of the most influential voices in economics, nothing Lukey or Rush or anyone else says will diminish his statue in history. The way he used "socialism" in that quote is far different than the way we "socialize" certain national tasks here in the West. But let Lukey do all the mouth breathing, panting is a form of exercise to folks on the right.
 

Lapcat

Governor
Sounds exactly like what Obama and the SocialcRats are trying to accomplish. With them as the "ruling elite" dictators over the rest of us peons.

Marx's theories about society, economics and politics—collectively known as Marxism—hold that all societies progress through the dialectic of class struggle: a conflict between an ownership class which controls production and a lower class which produces the labour for such goods. Heavily critical of the current socio-economic form of society, capitalism, he called it the "dictatorship of the bourgeoisie", believing it to be run by the wealthy classes purely for their own benefit, and predicted that, like previous socioeconomic systems, it would inevitably produce internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system, socialism.[4] He argued that under socialism society would be governed by the working class in what he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat", the "workers state" or "workers' democracy".[5][6] He believed that socialism would, in its turn, eventually be replaced by a stateless, classless society called communism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

Sound like anybody you know?
 

Lukey

Senator
I am reminded of a joke told in Russia during the 90s...Everything Marx told us about communism was wrong but everything he said about capitalism was right. Lukey just parrots right wing lines without any deeper understanding of the issues or the history he so often uses to justify his unfounded views. Marx continues to be one of the most influential voices in economics, nothing Lukey or Rush or anyone else says will diminish his statue in history. The way he used "socialism" in that quote is far different than the way we "socialize" certain national tasks here in the West. But let Lukey do all the mouth breathing, panting is a form of exercise to folks on the right.
Right! I'm sure his idea of using "socialism" as a means to get to communism has NOTHING to do with convincing the people that "we’re all in it together and [that] I’m my brother’s keeper and [my] sister’s keeper, that’s a value,” and that “America’s not just looking out for yourself, it’s not just about greed, it’s not just about trying to climb to the very top." And about making everything from higher education to contraception and access to a doctor for everyone who has a sniffle to a new green car a "basic" right, that must be subsidized by those "greedy" people who strive to climb to the top.

Yes, if I was trying to implement a Marxist agenda, that's just the sort of things I'd be trying to get people to believe all right. But Wooly says it ain't so - who are you going to believe - Wooly or your lying eyes???
 
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