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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by reason10, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. Zam-Zam

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    I posted a fact.

    You clearly do not like the fact, and it seems to have upset you. Perhaps you prefer it not be discussed.

    If that is the case, you probably shouldn't keep calling attention to it. If you do prefer that fact be discussed, then you're doing a wonderful job of highlighting it.
     
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  2. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius AMERICAN, as in United States of... Supporting Member

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    Translation: Obama's reasons for caging children were just, kind, fair and beyond reproach... while Trump's reasons were evil, malicious, and because he's a racist.

    ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  3. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius AMERICAN, as in United States of... Supporting Member

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    For the math challenged in this thread (you libturds know who you are)...


    Trump - 1900

    Obama - 89000

    1900/89000=.02134

    so, Trump has separated 2.134% of children from parents, compared to Obama.

    Dumbasses, the lot of you.
     
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  4. Dawg

    Dawg President Supporting Member

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  5. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    what would you do with kids caught crossing the border into this country by themselves, let them go and hope for the best? how is detaining them in temporary cages until they can be reunited with family members somehow be wrong or unfair or cruel? how can even edited trump voters compare that to a policy of purposely separating kids from parents caught crossing the border, a misdemeanor, while they are detained so they can be vetted and it can be determined what to do with them, keeping the kids with their parents like a sensible, moral human being would do? why are trump voters so edited they can't see the difference?
     
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  6. llovejim

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    there is no source for those dumbass numbers. good god. no wonder you are a trump voter. you will believe any dumbass bullshit some right wing media bends you over and fills you up with. hard to believe how silly and illogical you have to be, not to mention gullible as a damn catfish, to somehow still support lying ass con man trump.
     
  7. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius AMERICAN, as in United States of... Supporting Member

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    prove them wrong. That is the standard here among liberals....It's your job to prove I am wrong.
     
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  8. Zam-Zam

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    FWIW: Obama officials appear to have acknowledged the authenticity of the photos in question:

    Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same


    Several former Obama administration officials took to social media and news outlets last month to explain a gallery of years-old photos that showed immigrant children sleeping in shoddy conditions at a government-run holding facility in Arizona.

    The images, which the Associated Press first published in 2014, resurfaced recently for reasons that remain unclear, and quickly prompted viral outrage on Twitter. One particularly disturbing image showed two children sleeping on mattresses on the floor inside what appeared to be a cage.

    A number of prominent liberals — and even a former Obama administration official — shared the photos, mistakenly believing they depicted the Trump administration's treatment of immigrant children who were forcibly separated from their parents.


    Complete text: https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5
     
  9. reason10

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    I just know the truth. The program didn't start with President Trump, you idiot.

    Put that crack pipe down.
     
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  10. EatTheRich

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    Inaccurate. 1900 is an underestimate of 2342, the number of children known to have been separated from their parents with whom they arrived in the country as an intended consequence of a policy introduced by this administration. 89000 is the number of children who did not have parents with them when they arrived, of whom there have been about 144,000 under Trump.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-trump-child-separation-meme/
     
  11. EatTheRich

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    Not systematically. Only in cases of abuse or serious crimes.
     
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  12. EatTheRich

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    Where did you learn that thing you made up?
     
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  13. EatTheRich

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    The 89,000 for Obama weren’t children the government separated from their parents though.
     
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  14. llovejim

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    no, i do not believe your numbers are correct, for one thing. but that is not the point. you are changing the goalposts because you lied in your first post. are you huffing gasoline? why can't you understand a simple fact? here is what you stated in your first reply to the blatant fact I posted-


    llovejim said:
    nothing to spin. obama and bush did not have a program designed to separate kids from parents in all cases. only trump. what kind of herb are you smoking?

    QUOTE="Zam-Zam, post: 2504535, member: 8134" Per 'Snopes':


    Did Obama Admin Build Cages That House Immigrant Children at U.S.-Mexico Border?
    While under scrutiny for treatment of migrants, the Trump administration has been shifting blame to its predecessor.


    The Obama administration, not the Trump administration, built the cages that hold many immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

    [​IMG]

    True



    Complete text: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/

    The argument was not did both Bush and Obama build detention centers with "cages," if you call chainlink fenced enclosures "cages," for unaccompanied children caught crossing the border, everybody agrees with that, you denied that Trump and Trump alone started the policy of separating kids from their parents. That was what the first post of this thread claimed!! That Trump did not begin the policy of zero tolerance, all kids separated from parents, regardless of circumstances, Obama did. That is a lie. Of course both Bush and Obama held UNACCOMPANIED KIDS IN DETENTION CENTERS WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS, BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS WERE NOT WITH THEM...that is why they were called unaccompanied minors...duh.

    Your snopes article CONFIRMS THAT FACT, as quoted here-

    As the well-being of immigrant children in U.S. detention remained a focal point of controversy surrounding the Trump administration in early summer 2019, so did attempts to deflect blame to Trump’s predecessor amid accusations of neglect and mistreatment.

    During the previous summer, the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy of separating immigrant parents from their children was so widely rejected by both political parties that even First Lady Melania Trump took the unusual step of repudiating it. In response to the backlash, U.S. President Donald Trump (falsely) pinned the blame for the child-separation policy on his predecessor, Barack Obama.

    One year later, amid an ongoing national crisis of conscience over immigrant children incarcerated in detention facilities at the U.S.-Mexico border, President Trump again attempted to pin the blame on his predecessor. During a contentious interview with Spanish-language network Telemundo, Trump wrongly stated that he had reunited families after they were separated by the Obama administration. (In fact, thousands of children were taken from their parents under the Trump administration’s 2018 zero-tolerance policy.)

    But then Trump also attempted to deflect outrage over photographs of immigrant children being kept in “cages” by asserting, “Obama built the cages. I didn’t build them. Obama built them”:

    That portion of Trump’s commentary was true. Pictures of children behind chain-link fencing were captured at a site in McAllen, Texas, that had been converted from a warehouse to an immigrant-detention facility in 2014. Social media users who defended Trump’s immigration policies also shared a 2014 photograph of Obama’s Homeland Security Secretary, Jeh Johnson, touring a facility in Nogales, Arizona, in 2014, in which the fencing could be seen surrounding migrants there as well. That picture was taken during a spike in the number of unaccompanied children fleeing violence in Central American countries.

    and then there is this from Fox-

    What Trump's 'zero-tolerance' immigration policy means ... - Fox News

    https://www.foxnews.com/.../what-trumps-zero-tolerance-immigration-policy-means-for...

    Jun 19, 2018 - After Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced a “zero-tolerance” policy ... Under the Obama administration, families were detained together in administrative ICE custody,

    and now, the coup de grace- from SNOPES...destroying that lie about Obama separating 89,000 kids from their parents-

    Under President Barack Obama, 89,000 children were separated from their immigrant parents at the United States border.

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    On 23 June 2018, the right-wing “Federalist Papers” Facebook page published a widely-shared meme which claimed that Obama had overseen the separation of 89,000 children from their parents at the United States border with Mexico, alleging a “double standard” and “media bias” against Trump.

    Compare:
    [Donald Trump] 1,900 children separated from parents at border. Result — MEDIA FRENZY.
    [Barack Obama] 89,000 children separated from parents at border. Result — SILENCE.

    This exposes the huge double-standard and media bias against Trump.


    The two figures included in the meme do not describe the same thing, and the meme is fundamentally compromised by a gross misrepresentation of the differing immigration policies of the Obama and Trump administrations.

    The administration of President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions introduced a new “zero tolerance” immigration policy in April 2018. Whereas previously, those found crossing the border into United States illegally were largely subjected to administrative proceedings, before being deported, the zero tolerance policy instructed border agencies and immigration courts to arrest immigrants for violating U.S. immigration laws, and subject them to criminal trial, prosecution and incarceration, before their eventual deportation.

    As a result of the new policy, 2,342 children were separated from their parents between 5 May and 9 June 2018, according to multiple news reports which cited official figures provided by a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson on 19 June 2018.

    That investigation did not refer to the number of children separated from their parents upon crossing the Mexican border into the United States. Instead, the Associated press tracked the fate of children who entered the United States on their own, a cohort known as “unaccompanied alien children” (UACs.) Therefore, any comparison between the figure of 89,000 and the figure of 1,900 is utterly spurious and grossly misleading.








     
  15. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    Strawman,

    Obama did not have a no exception policy of kidnapping children from their parents while legally seeking asylum in America
     
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  16. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    Like and quote for source ?!

    This is proof positive that MAGA Cultist are EXTREMELY GULLIBLE PEOPLE !!!

    Damn, they believe just any damn thing
     
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  17. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    We're not mad getting the rift raft out of America but Trump punishing small children from being brown is evil.
     
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  18. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    You didn't state any facts about Red Don's policy of Kidnapping children of immigrants even if they're legally immigrating to the US.
     
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  19. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    Inland did not have a no exceptions policy of kidnapping kids from people legally seeking help

    Benedict Donald Trump did
     
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  20. YouCantHandleDaTruth

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    Link and quote from credible source or did you pull these numbers out of your butt too?

    Thx
     
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