NFL - reviving the kneeling controversy- by discussing a penalty

[georgephillip]

Its not necessarily patriotic. Its about respect. You stand because you are expected to stand because it shows respect to the people who pay you your salary. I don't care what your real opinion is. It matters not to me, as long as you keep it to yourself and don't bother me.

Who are the people who pay NFL players' salaries?

 

[connieb]

Who are the people who pay NFL players' salaries?

The Fans.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes the owners don't give a fvck what the players actually think. They will age out, get injured and be useless and there are lots of people to take their places. They are completely expendable and they play at the pleasure of the owners for the pleasure of the fans. Its about time they figured that out. They have been getting way too big for their britches.

Sorry. Your quaint notions of noblesse oblige aside, the players have had the space to protest during the anthem because its enshrined the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFLPA.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-real-reason-nfl-owners-want-to-punish-players-for-protesting-during-the-anthem/

"The union has already made clear in its collusion grievance on behalf of unsigned player Eric Reid that 'there is no League rule that prohibits players from demonstrating during the national anthem. The NFL has made it clear both publicly and to the NFLPA that they would respect the rights of players to demonstrate. The Collective Bargaining Agreement definitively states that League (NFL) rules supersede any conflicting club rules.'

"This is the union’s line in the sand."

Care to comment on the petty arrogance of billionaires proposing such an un-American fiat without consulting the players union first?

 

[connieb]

Sorry. Your quaint notions of noblesse oblige aside, the players have had the space to protest during the anthem because its enshrined the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFLPA.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-real-reason-nfl-owners-want-to-punish-players-for-protesting-during-the-anthem/

"The union has already made clear in its collusion grievance on behalf of unsigned player Eric Reid that 'there is no League rule that prohibits players from demonstrating during the national anthem. The NFL has made it clear both publicly and to the NFLPA that they would respect the rights of players to demonstrate. The Collective Bargaining Agreement definitively states that League (NFL) rules supersede any conflicting club rules.'

"This is the union’s line in the sand."

Care to comment on the petty arrogance of billionaires proposing such an un-American fiat without consulting the players union first?

So, the union has an opinion about the rule and the owners have a different opinion. I guess it will be for a judge to sort out.

Either way, the players should be grateful they have someone willing to pay them millions of dollars to play a sport. And STFU and do what they are told. The alternative is - not to play.

 

[georgephillip]

The Fans.

About 2/3 of NFL money come from TV.
The players get about 2/3 of team revenue.
Then there's the Department of Defense:

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/09/american-government-pays-nfl-tell-players-stand-national-anthem.html

"It turns out that from 2011-2014, the Department of Defense spent $5.4 million in contracts with 14 NFL teams for flag ceremonies.

"The National Guard got in on the action too, and gave $6.7 million to the NFL for the same kind of thing from 2013 to 2015.

"…Before 2009, football players standing for the national anthem wasn’t even a thing.

"The teams stayed in the locker room until after 'and the hoooome of the braaaave,' and then ran onto the field.

"No one was offended, and no one was on cable news eliciting tears from disrespected military families.

"But then, the Department of Defense and the National Guard got involved. They began to pay the NFL millions of dollars to have ostentatious flag ceremonies before games."

There is even a whole Senate report objecting to this entire practice, with John McCain as one of the most vocal critics. As I’ve suggested lately, maybe the ceremony really isn’t so patriotic after all."

 

[connieb]

About 2/3 of NFL money come from TV.
The players get about 2/3 of team revenue.
Then there's the Department of Defense:

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/09/american-government-pays-nfl-tell-players-stand-national-anthem.html

"It turns out that from 2011-2014, the Department of Defense spent $5.4 million in contracts with 14 NFL teams for flag ceremonies.

"The National Guard got in on the action too, and gave $6.7 million to the NFL for the same kind of thing from 2013 to 2015.

"…Before 2009, football players standing for the national anthem wasn’t even a thing.

"The teams stayed in the locker room until after 'and the hoooome of the braaaave,' and then ran onto the field.

"No one was offended, and no one was on cable news eliciting tears from disrespected military families.

"But then, the Department of Defense and the National Guard got involved. They began to pay the NFL millions of dollars to have ostentatious flag ceremonies before games."

There is even a whole Senate report objecting to this entire practice, with John McCain as one of the most vocal critics. As I’ve suggested lately, maybe the ceremony really isn’t so patriotic after all."

Yes, from revenue the TV networks make selling advertising.. so that the FANS can be sold products. None of which exists, if we don't watch.

Yes we are all well aware the DOD pays money for the NFL to pretend to be patriots. And why do they do that - because they recognize that the NFL audience is a recruitment rich environment.. now why would that be... oh yeah.. young men, who want to serve their countries are ALSO frequently NFL fans.. or were... anyway.

I am not sure why you continue to post this stuff - everyone already knows it.

 

[georgephillip]

Yes, from revenue the TV networks make selling advertising.. so that the FANS can be sold products. None of which exists, if we don't watch.

Yes we are all well aware the DOD pays money for the NFL to pretend to be patriots. And why do they do that - because they recognize that the NFL audience is a recruitment rich environment.. now why would that be... oh yeah.. young men, who want to serve their countries are ALSO frequently NFL fans.. or were... anyway.

I am not sure why you continue to post this stuff - everyone already knows it.

Don't forget the contribution of the heroic moron in the White House:

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-real-reason-nfl-owners-want-to-punish-players-for-protesting-during-the-anthem/

"This is a very dishonest analysis. Owners are wringing their hands because in sportswriter Mike Freeman’s words, they are 'terrified' of Donald Trump, even though, as surreptitiously recorded meetings tell us, they think he is a dolt.

"If NFL owners actually knew what they were doing, they wouldn’t be having these Hamlet-esque meetings about how to clamp down on protest and would instead merely assert the basic truth: Players hold the right to protest, and fans should respect that right."

 

[connieb]

Don't forget the contribution of the heroic moron in the White House:

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-real-reason-nfl-owners-want-to-punish-players-for-protesting-during-the-anthem/

"This is a very dishonest analysis. Owners are wringing their hands because in sportswriter Mike Freeman’s words, they are 'terrified' of Donald Trump, even though, as surreptitiously recorded meetings tell us, they think he is a dolt.

"If NFL owners actually knew what they were doing, they wouldn’t be having these Hamlet-esque meetings about how to clamp down on protest and would instead merely assert the basic truth: Players hold the right to protest, and fans should respect that right."

They have the right to protest. And the fans, have the right to fvck off with their whining.

And they must be doing so at a level the NFL finds concerning.

 

[Dawg]

The only reason they will stand now is because THE BOSS is threatening them with a fine. It isn't a genuine display of patriotism. It's just pointlessly going through the motions.

well, they can do beat their wife and mistress, they seem better at that than kneeling.............now they can deal with all the NFL criminals........

some people just can't handle being RICH........retire broke and deep in debt

 

[Dawg]

Wow that was clever. Did you think of it on your own ?

I didn't post it

You did

 

[Dawg]

That's what the players have been saying all along. Some people think the country is so f*cked up its not worth honoring.

then they need take their ass to a country of their choice to honor

Try Iraq, Iran or Syria..........you libs would last until lunch next day!!

 

[ObamacareForever]

then they need take their ass to a country of their choice to honor

Try Iraq, Iran or Syria..........you libs would last until lunch next day!!

So foreigners who think their native country is broken should stay and fix it, but Americans who think their country is broken should leave? Talk about an intellectual incongruence.

 

[ObamacareForever]

Yes, from revenue the TV networks make selling advertising.. so that the FANS can be sold products. None of which exists, if we don't watch.

Yes we are all well aware the DOD pays money for the NFL to pretend to be patriots. And why do they do that - because they recognize that the NFL audience is a recruitment rich environment.. now why would that be... oh yeah.. young men, who want to serve their countries are ALSO frequently NFL fans.. or were... anyway.

I am not sure why you continue to post this stuff - everyone already knows it.

If you think appeasing your boss is the right reason to stand for the national anthem then you have lost track of why people should stand for the national anthem.

 

[Spamature]

I didn't post it

You did

Exactly, copying my posts is about as close as you will ever get to an original thought.

 

[Dawg]

So foreigners who think their native country is broken should stay and fix it, but Americans who think their country is broken should leave? Talk about an intellectual incongruence.

Have you not seen all those leaving their countries, illegals, refugees and such?

American isn't broken, other than for liberalism..............get

 

[Dawg]

If you think appeasing your boss is the right reason to stand for the national anthem then you have lost track of why people should stand for the national anthem.

You must have missed lib MV's post of his employees and his rules.......they must have to call him Massa MV

 

[Dawg]

Exactly, copying my posts is about as close as you will ever get to an original thought.

reposting your Ebonics were not thought, just pure unadulterated ignorance..........

"start stop"

 

[connieb]

If you think appeasing your boss is the right reason to stand for the national anthem then you have lost track of why people should stand for the national anthem.

I think that appeasing ones boss is what employees should do who want to keep working.

It has nothing to do with the anthem or not. Feel free to not stand when you are merely a spectator because your insubordinate ass is cut.

 

[EatTheRich]

I seethe left latest attempt at redefining a word is to label anything g where whites are the majority by number as white supremacy versus what it actually means that someone believes that whites are actually evolutionarily better than blacks. That tactic is disgusting and dishonest. Yes, white owners created the sport we call football and white players played it. Blacks forced their way in. If you couldn't hack the rules or the expectations don't join. Don't piss and moan and be disruptive cause you don't like it. Start your on league and compete and then people will figure which league is supreme.

Anyhoo, placating the fan base gets it off the news. Or so they thought. I guess they underestimated how many players wanted to be unemployed.

White supremacy isn't a belief at all ... it's a pattern of unequal treatment.

 

[ObamacareForever]

I think that appeasing ones boss is what employees should do who want to keep working.

It has nothing to do with the anthem or not. Feel free to not stand when you are merely a spectator because your insubordinate ass is cut.

Fan's don't want the players to stand because they want the owners to squash labor. They want them to stand out of respect for the country.

Sure, It's legal for businesses to compel speech, but it's wrong thing for the same reasons it wrong for government's to compel speech.When speech is compelled, it's neither genuine nor honest. Disingenuous and dishonest displays of patriotism are not respectful at all.