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Nonviolence is a dead philosophy

EatTheRich

President
“Nonviolence is a dead philosophy and it was not the black people that killed it. It was the white people that killed nonviolence and the white racists at that.”-Floyd McKissick of the Congress of Racial Equality on the night of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This wasn’t the opinion of some fringe leftist either ... McKissick went on to endorse Nixon for president (even after Agnew cemented his place as Nixon’s running mate by blaming Blacks for the violence in the wake of King’s murder) and to enlist Nixon’s help building a black capitalist empowerment zone.

Rosa Parks, in her autobiography, contrasts the views of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X by saying that Malcolm “didn’t believe in nonviolence either” (when the other person who didn’t believe in nonviolence could only be herself) ... but she herself famously peacefully protested, and worked with Dr. King. In fact, Malcolm X himself spoke of the theoretical advisability of violence while never actually encouraging Americans to be violent (unless you count something like the Fruit of Islam chasing the drug dealers out of the Black neighborhoods or direct defense against a lynching attempt). Meanwhile, King preached nonviolence but owned a gun for personal protection. Why the apparent (in the minds of the most vulgar empiricists) contradiction? Because while violence is morally permissible (the social compact is not a suicide pact), the tactical advisability of it in this or that circumstance is another matter entirely.

In the wake of King’s assassination, many Blacks felt, with McKissick, that they had tried nonviolence and, well, white racists had violently rejected it. Angry Black communities lashed out at an America that valued material commodities so much more than Black lives by looting and destroying property. They were urged on by some ultraleftists (anarchists and Maoists) and, stolen and leaked documents show, by the FBI, which strong circumstantial evidence suggests arranged King’s assassination.

But the riots turned out to be disastrous for the Black community. There were deaths in Washington (D.C.), Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City (MO), Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Louisville. Many cities, including Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Trenton, faced major financial devastation, in particular in Black neighborhoods, as did Washington (D.C.) and Pittsburgh, where substantial Black middle-class investment was wiped out. Wilmington, Delaware suffered only minor property damage and no deaths in the riots, but subsequently was under martial law for 9 months, until newly elected Republican governor Russell Peterson replaced Democratic (or should I say Dixiecratic) governor Charles Terry.

Only a few big cities were spared major devastation:

Oakland: Oakland is perhaps the only city where there was no rioting; this is due almost entirely to the influence of the Black Panther Party, which had won the trust of the city’s large Black community, and which used its influence to urge calm. Of course this didn’t stop police from murdering unarmed 17-year-old Panther “Lil” Bobby Hutton.

Boston: Boston had one night of serious violence and vandalism, but averted violence the next night when the city paid to have Black Power advocate and popular musician James Brown perform a free televised concert, and many stayed at home to watch. Brown appealed for calm while his music gave a powerful voice to the voiceless. When Black crowds rushed the stage, and white police began to assault them, Brown successfully appealed to the police to calm down, then asked the crowd to show him as a Black man respect, saying he had asked the police to step back because he trusted the Black crowd to be responsible.

Memphis: the town in which the assassination took place was spared major unrest largely because the movement King went to Memphis to support, the sanitation workers’ strike, overshadowed King’s life in local political importance. When (perhaps hastened by King’s intervention and the assassination) the city backed down and the sanitation workers won, the Black working-class community knew it had scored a major victory. With the commitment of civil rights and labor leaders to help them follow through on that victory, they were naturally willing to employ the strategic patience needed to capitalize rather than to lash out in impotent rage.

Chicago (South Side): although Chicago was hit badly, this area of mostly working-class neighborhoods stayed relatively calm, because peace was kept by the dominant street gangs, the Blackstone Rangers and the Eastside Disciples, joined hands to keep the peace. The rival gangs had previously been recruited by King personally for nonviolent mass-lawbreaking (civil disobedience) campaigns for jobs and more anti-poverty spending.

Indianapolis: here news of King’s murder was broken to the public by Democratic presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy. Kennedy, who himself would be killed later that year, successfully appealed for calm, speaking movingly of the assassination of his own brother, John F. Kennedy, and pointing out that, like King, his brother had been killed by a white man. There was some unrest in Indianapolis, but Kennedy’s speech is credited with preventing major violence.

Los Angeles: here major violence was averted, again, mostly due to the strong local influence of the Black Panther Party. Republican police Chief Thomas Reddin, a pioneer of “community policing,” also helped maintain calm by reaching out to Black community leaders to help keep the peace rather than meeting small-scale violence with the repressive police response that in so many other cities led the violence to escalate.

New York: there was some violence and property damage, mostly in Harlem and Brooklyn, but far less damage than in many other cities. This has in large part been credited to the personal and political courage of liberal Republican Mayor John Lindsay, who went into the Black community, listened sympathetically to an angry public, and promised to boost spending on anti-poverty programs.

A fitting reminder for those decrying the riots in Minneapolis, Louisville, Los Angeles, and so on today:

“ White America killed Dr. King last night. She made it a whole lot easier for a whole lot of black people today. There no longer needs to be intellectual discussions, black people know that they have to get guns. White America will live to cry that she killed Dr. King last night. It would have been better if she had killed Rap Brown and/or Stokely Carmichael, but when she killed Dr. King, she lost.”-Stokely Carmichael (later Kwame Ture)
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
When and where Whites and blacks don't live together, the number of people dying plunges.
 

Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Like where? Nazi Germany? Rwanda? Maoist China?
Distorting the post (as usual) & cherry-picking facts (as usual). Fine -- How many White cops brutalize blacks in Rwanda annually? What's the black-on-White murder rate in China?
Here, I'll change my post for you: "When and where Whites and blacks don't live together, the number of people dying plunges, except in Communist countries." Happy?
 

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EatTheRich

President
Distorting the post (as usual) & cherry-picking facts (as usual). Fine -- How many White cops brutalize blacks in Rwanda annually? What's the black-on-White murder rate in China?
Here, I'll change my post for you: "When and where Whites and blacks don't live together, the number of people dying plunges, except in Communist countries." Happy?
I named two places that weren’t by any stretch “communist countries.”
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
“Nonviolence is a dead philosophy and it was not the black people that killed it. It was the white people that killed nonviolence and the white racists at that.”-Floyd McKissick of the Congress of Racial Equality on the night of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This wasn’t the opinion of some fringe leftist either ... McKissick went on to endorse Nixon for president (even after Agnew cemented his place as Nixon’s running mate by blaming Blacks for the violence in the wake of King’s murder) and to enlist Nixon’s help building a black capitalist empowerment zone.

Rosa Parks, in her autobiography, contrasts the views of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X by saying that Malcolm “didn’t believe in nonviolence either” (when the other person who didn’t believe in nonviolence could only be herself) ... but she herself famously peacefully protested, and worked with Dr. King. In fact, Malcolm X himself spoke of the theoretical advisability of violence while never actually encouraging Americans to be violent (unless you count something like the Fruit of Islam chasing the drug dealers out of the Black neighborhoods or direct defense against a lynching attempt). Meanwhile, King preached nonviolence but owned a gun for personal protection. Why the apparent (in the minds of the most vulgar empiricists) contradiction? Because while violence is morally permissible (the social compact is not a suicide pact), the tactical advisability of it in this or that circumstance is another matter entirely.

In the wake of King’s assassination, many Blacks felt, with McKissick, that they had tried nonviolence and, well, white racists had violently rejected it. Angry Black communities lashed out at an America that valued material commodities so much more than Black lives by looting and destroying property. They were urged on by some ultraleftists (anarchists and Maoists) and, stolen and leaked documents show, by the FBI, which strong circumstantial evidence suggests arranged King’s assassination.

But the riots turned out to be disastrous for the Black community. There were deaths in Washington (D.C.), Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City (MO), Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Louisville. Many cities, including Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Trenton, faced major financial devastation, in particular in Black neighborhoods, as did Washington (D.C.) and Pittsburgh, where substantial Black middle-class investment was wiped out. Wilmington, Delaware suffered only minor property damage and no deaths in the riots, but subsequently was under martial law for 9 months, until newly elected Republican governor Russell Peterson replaced Democratic (or should I say Dixiecratic) governor Charles Terry.

Only a few big cities were spared major devastation:

Oakland: Oakland is perhaps the only city where there was no rioting; this is due almost entirely to the influence of the Black Panther Party, which had won the trust of the city’s large Black community, and which used its influence to urge calm. Of course this didn’t stop police from murdering unarmed 17-year-old Panther “Lil” Bobby Hutton.

Boston: Boston had one night of serious violence and vandalism, but averted violence the next night when the city paid to have Black Power advocate and popular musician James Brown perform a free televised concert, and many stayed at home to watch. Brown appealed for calm while his music gave a powerful voice to the voiceless. When Black crowds rushed the stage, and white police began to assault them, Brown successfully appealed to the police to calm down, then asked the crowd to show him as a Black man respect, saying he had asked the police to step back because he trusted the Black crowd to be responsible.

Memphis: the town in which the assassination took place was spared major unrest largely because the movement King went to Memphis to support, the sanitation workers’ strike, overshadowed King’s life in local political importance. When (perhaps hastened by King’s intervention and the assassination) the city backed down and the sanitation workers won, the Black working-class community knew it had scored a major victory. With the commitment of civil rights and labor leaders to help them follow through on that victory, they were naturally willing to employ the strategic patience needed to capitalize rather than to lash out in impotent rage.

Chicago (South Side): although Chicago was hit badly, this area of mostly working-class neighborhoods stayed relatively calm, because peace was kept by the dominant street gangs, the Blackstone Rangers and the Eastside Disciples, joined hands to keep the peace. The rival gangs had previously been recruited by King personally for nonviolent mass-lawbreaking (civil disobedience) campaigns for jobs and more anti-poverty spending.

Indianapolis: here news of King’s murder was broken to the public by Democratic presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy. Kennedy, who himself would be killed later that year, successfully appealed for calm, speaking movingly of the assassination of his own brother, John F. Kennedy, and pointing out that, like King, his brother had been killed by a white man. There was some unrest in Indianapolis, but Kennedy’s speech is credited with preventing major violence.

Los Angeles: here major violence was averted, again, mostly due to the strong local influence of the Black Panther Party. Republican police Chief Thomas Reddin, a pioneer of “community policing,” also helped maintain calm by reaching out to Black community leaders to help keep the peace rather than meeting small-scale violence with the repressive police response that in so many other cities led the violence to escalate.

New York: there was some violence and property damage, mostly in Harlem and Brooklyn, but far less damage than in many other cities. This has in large part been credited to the personal and political courage of liberal Republican Mayor John Lindsay, who went into the Black community, listened sympathetically to an angry public, and promised to boost spending on anti-poverty programs.

A fitting reminder for those decrying the riots in Minneapolis, Louisville, Los Angeles, and so on today:

“ White America killed Dr. King last night. She made it a whole lot easier for a whole lot of black people today. There no longer needs to be intellectual discussions, black people know that they have to get guns. White America will live to cry that she killed Dr. King last night. It would have been better if she had killed Rap Brown and/or Stokely Carmichael, but when she killed Dr. King, she lost.”-Stokely Carmichael (later Kwame Ture)
Thank you, EatTheRich, for this very informative post. Concerning the Black Panthers: When Ronald Reagan was Governor of California he created a law making it illegal to openly carry guns. Why? Because the Black Panthers had started carrying guns to protect themselves and their communities from police brutality. That law was never protested by the NRA. I'm sure if a segment of the White community had been barred from carrying their guns, all heck would have broke loose.
 
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Emily

NSDAP Kanzler
Hi Emily. Are you advocating for White and African- American ethnostate?
Yes, i am. For others, as well. Whether it's possible for the US is a distinct issue but ethno-states -- what states always were until relatively recently -- would be better for both groups. If you look into your heart, my guess is there's a good chance you'll agree.
 
Thank you, EatTheRich, for this very informative post. Concerning the Black Panthers: When Ronald Reagan was Governor of California he created a law making it illegal to openly carry guns. Why? Because the Black Panthers had started carrying guns to protect themselves and their communities from police brutality. That law was never protested by the NRA. I'm sure if a segment of the White community had been barred from carrying their guns, all check would have broke loose.
The law Reagan passed applied to all California residents. Duh.
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
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Yes, i am. For others, as well. Whether it's possible for the US is a distinct issue but ethno-states -- what states always were until relatively recently -- would be better for both groups. If you look into your heart, my guess is there's a good chance you'll agree.
I doubt seriously if the USA would ever allow ethnostates to become a reality.
 
He was trying to leave the entire Black community defenseless. There is no other explanation for his actions. Governor Evans (R) of Washington did the same thing at the same time.
Then you need to ask yourself why you support measures like those when they're enacted by Democrats. I know the reason. Do you?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
“Nonviolence is a dead philosophy and it was not the black people that killed it. It was the white people that killed nonviolence and the white racists at that.”-Floyd McKissick of the Congress of Racial Equality on the night of the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This wasn’t the opinion of some fringe leftist either ... McKissick went on to endorse Nixon for president (even after Agnew cemented his place as Nixon’s running mate by blaming Blacks for the violence in the wake of King’s murder) and to enlist Nixon’s help building a black capitalist empowerment zone.

Rosa Parks, in her autobiography, contrasts the views of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X by saying that Malcolm “didn’t believe in nonviolence either” (when the other person who didn’t believe in nonviolence could only be herself) ... but she herself famously peacefully protested, and worked with Dr. King. In fact, Malcolm X himself spoke of the theoretical advisability of violence while never actually encouraging Americans to be violent (unless you count something like the Fruit of Islam chasing the drug dealers out of the Black neighborhoods or direct defense against a lynching attempt). Meanwhile, King preached nonviolence but owned a gun for personal protection. Why the apparent (in the minds of the most vulgar empiricists) contradiction? Because while violence is morally permissible (the social compact is not a suicide pact), the tactical advisability of it in this or that circumstance is another matter entirely.

In the wake of King’s assassination, many Blacks felt, with McKissick, that they had tried nonviolence and, well, white racists had violently rejected it. Angry Black communities lashed out at an America that valued material commodities so much more than Black lives by looting and destroying property. They were urged on by some ultraleftists (anarchists and Maoists) and, stolen and leaked documents show, by the FBI, which strong circumstantial evidence suggests arranged King’s assassination.

But the riots turned out to be disastrous for the Black community. There were deaths in Washington (D.C.), Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City (MO), Detroit, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Louisville. Many cities, including Baltimore, Kansas City, Cincinnati, and Trenton, faced major financial devastation, in particular in Black neighborhoods, as did Washington (D.C.) and Pittsburgh, where substantial Black middle-class investment was wiped out. Wilmington, Delaware suffered only minor property damage and no deaths in the riots, but subsequently was under martial law for 9 months, until newly elected Republican governor Russell Peterson replaced Democratic (or should I say Dixiecratic) governor Charles Terry.

Only a few big cities were spared major devastation:

Oakland: Oakland is perhaps the only city where there was no rioting; this is due almost entirely to the influence of the Black Panther Party, which had won the trust of the city’s large Black community, and which used its influence to urge calm. Of course this didn’t stop police from murdering unarmed 17-year-old Panther “Lil” Bobby Hutton.

Boston: Boston had one night of serious violence and vandalism, but averted violence the next night when the city paid to have Black Power advocate and popular musician James Brown perform a free televised concert, and many stayed at home to watch. Brown appealed for calm while his music gave a powerful voice to the voiceless. When Black crowds rushed the stage, and white police began to assault them, Brown successfully appealed to the police to calm down, then asked the crowd to show him as a Black man respect, saying he had asked the police to step back because he trusted the Black crowd to be responsible.

Memphis: the town in which the assassination took place was spared major unrest largely because the movement King went to Memphis to support, the sanitation workers’ strike, overshadowed King’s life in local political importance. When (perhaps hastened by King’s intervention and the assassination) the city backed down and the sanitation workers won, the Black working-class community knew it had scored a major victory. With the commitment of civil rights and labor leaders to help them follow through on that victory, they were naturally willing to employ the strategic patience needed to capitalize rather than to lash out in impotent rage.

Chicago (South Side): although Chicago was hit badly, this area of mostly working-class neighborhoods stayed relatively calm, because peace was kept by the dominant street gangs, the Blackstone Rangers and the Eastside Disciples, joined hands to keep the peace. The rival gangs had previously been recruited by King personally for nonviolent mass-lawbreaking (civil disobedience) campaigns for jobs and more anti-poverty spending.

Indianapolis: here news of King’s murder was broken to the public by Democratic presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy. Kennedy, who himself would be killed later that year, successfully appealed for calm, speaking movingly of the assassination of his own brother, John F. Kennedy, and pointing out that, like King, his brother had been killed by a white man. There was some unrest in Indianapolis, but Kennedy’s speech is credited with preventing major violence.

Los Angeles: here major violence was averted, again, mostly due to the strong local influence of the Black Panther Party. Republican police Chief Thomas Reddin, a pioneer of “community policing,” also helped maintain calm by reaching out to Black community leaders to help keep the peace rather than meeting small-scale violence with the repressive police response that in so many other cities led the violence to escalate.

New York: there was some violence and property damage, mostly in Harlem and Brooklyn, but far less damage than in many other cities. This has in large part been credited to the personal and political courage of liberal Republican Mayor John Lindsay, who went into the Black community, listened sympathetically to an angry public, and promised to boost spending on anti-poverty programs.

A fitting reminder for those decrying the riots in Minneapolis, Louisville, Los Angeles, and so on today:

“ White America killed Dr. King last night. She made it a whole lot easier for a whole lot of black people today. There no longer needs to be intellectual discussions, black people know that they have to get guns. White America will live to cry that she killed Dr. King last night. It would have been better if she had killed Rap Brown and/or Stokely Carmichael, but when she killed Dr. King, she lost.”-Stokely Carmichael (later Kwame Ture)

I disagree.

All that is required is to be a better thinker than Floyd McKissick.
 
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