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Obama and his two birth certificates

Discussion in 'That's JACKED UP!' started by Days, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. Days

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    How many birth certificates does a hospital print for each birth?

    answer: one

    exceptions: none

    So how did president Obama come up with 2 certificates? Well, there was the certificate that he possessed all his life, which he posted on his website... and then there was a 2nd forged certificate that he posted after being confronted about the first certificate not completely proving he was a naturalized citizen.

    The "short form" birth certificate is issued by the hospital for a "witness birth" ... that's when one of the natives comes to the hospital and reports a birth somewhere out on the island. Any resident of Hawaii can witness a birth to the hospital. While, the "long form" birth certificate is issued by the hospital for a birth at the hospital.

    When Obama posted his short form birth certificate - that was genuine - it precluded him being born at the hospital and the existence of any long form birth certificate. The hospital doesn't print up both certificates for one birth, it only prints up one certificate for each birth. Obama either got a short form birth certificate or a long form certificate, he didn't get both, no one gets both, no one gets 2 birth certificates.

    So, look at the blatant forgery of the long form certificate. Once Obama posted a genuine short form certificate; that was his birth certificate, no one gets 2 birth certificates. Forensics proved the long form was a forgery, but common sense tells you it had to be a forgery because Obama had already posted his birth certificate... no one gets 2 birth certificates, not even Obama.
     
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  2. Jen

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    Obama is and always has been a phony. We don't know in how many ways he has been defrauding us, but that he has been doing it is not up for question. His own records (that he attended college as a foreign student for one) prove he is a fraud.
     
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    And the extent to which posters on this forum will blindly pretend he was legit... proves how fraudulent this pushing of propaganda gets. No one is being honest here.

    When dealing with something as obvious as the guy actually pretended to have 2 birth certificates, I still can't get a single poster around here to come clean and admit the 2nd certificate was a forgery. It had to be a forgery, unless Obama was the only human being on the planet to be given 2 birth certificates... from the same hospital, no less.

    I pointed out the oddity of the hospital sending a different certificate and no one found that strange.... nothing to see here, hospitals always have a couple of different birth certificates on file for the same birth, right? It is such outlandish lying, and they do it with a straight face. Either Obama was born in the hospital and was given a long form certificate, or he wasn't born in the hospital but someone reported his birth to the hospital and he was given a short form certificate. The hospital never gave both certificates to the same birth, birth certificates happen exactly once per baby, no exceptions. Obama was not, could not have been the only baby in the history of America to receive 2 birth certificates, especially when one is recording a birth that happened in the hospital and the other is recording a birth that didn't happen in the hospital.

    The truth is, Obama was not born in Hawaii. There's no way in living hell, a stateside government man brought his 18 year old daughter to Hawaii and let her immediately give natural birth to a baby somewhere outside of a hospital. The witness birth certificate was the same as the marriage; on paper only. There was no marriage and there was no baby. That was a paper trail that was built only after the real mother in Indonesia was pregnant. The paper marriage in Hawaii wasn't recorded until the real mother was in her 5th month of pregnancy. The real Obama from Kenya never lived a single day with and might not even have ever met the paper mother in Hawaii... at least not until they filed the paper work together at the court house. Obama was no doubt paid a lot of money and never cared again about the girl... he might not have been informed about the real baby being born or he might have known the whole charade.

    Barry Soetoro is an Indonesian. Not Kenyan, not white. He was not born in Hawaii and he sure as hell does not own 2 birth certificates recording 2 different types of birth from the same hospital in Hawaii.
     
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  4. Puzzling Evidence

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    The hospital has the only long form, the parents go home with a similar copy. Its only slightly different, they both have footprints.

    When you need a copy later on, you write them a letter and get sent a "short form version." It doesn't have footprints and it normally says something like 'certificate of live-birth.'

    Obama was able to procure a copy of the Hospital's original copy of its own records. It was unprecedented - I have never even heard of a situation where it was ever necessary. Even still, some people will not except the truth. Unreal.
     
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  5. Puzzling Evidence

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    Please MAKE IT STOP.
     
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    "When Obama posted his short form birth certificate - that was genuine - it precluded him being born at the hospital and the existence of any long formbirth certificate."

    Completely untrue. Not even worth debating.

    If you have ever sent off for a copy of your birth certificate, you are not sent a copy of your original BC - Instead, you are sent a verification of the hospital's electronic records.
     
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    Also, Obama was created in a secret laboratory by none other than George Soroes himself. He was schooled in the ancient arts of Glanscapeing (healthcare for the poor paid for by rich folks) and Accubeating (death by Socialisim).
    He smokes crack and worships Lady GaGa while pretending to be married to a man.
     
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  8. Days

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    I wonder how close you are to reality... maybe closer than you think. Obama is a strange cat, anyone raised by the CIA is going to be a mysterious deal to check out. In Chicago we inherited his chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel; this guy is strange too, his mom was Mossad and he has duel citizenship with Israel and the US. These two grew up with underground connections that propelled their careers, there is more to see behind closed doors than there is in public, that's for sure.
     
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    What does that have to do with the state of Hawaii's witness certificate?

    The short form is the hospital record of a witness birth. In Hawaii, and only in Hawaii, no other state has this, you can witness a birth to the hospital. That's the state's way of keeping track of citizens not born in their hospitals. The native culture is alive and well in Hawaii, there is a civilization there that is very old.

    The long form hospital record is a different birth certificate. Hawaiian hospitals produce a long form birth certificate for babies born in their hospitals.

    No one gets both. Babies born out on the island are supposed to be witnessed to the state and they get a short form birth certificate. Babies born in the hospitals get the long form birth certificate.

    Obama had the short form birth certificate. So Trump said, whoa, someone could have lied to obtain that type of birth certificate. We don't have the testimony of the hospital in the short form certificate, what we have is the testimony given to the hospital. So who gave that testimony? Certainly not Obama's mother, eh? (If she had been there, he would have had a long form certificate).

    The press refused to report the truth about the issue... as usual... and covered it up. And then we have propagandists who try to intimidate those of us who look beyond mainstream network news reporting. Obama never came clean, never told us the truth. He lied and said he was born in the hospital and then forged a long form certificate. Unbelievable behavior for a president of the United States.
     
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    This is completely uninformed. Learn about Hawaiian birth certificates. The short form is not a copy of the long form, it is a witness to the state, of a birth that didn't happen in the hospital, and obviously, it has no footprints... because there was no baby present to get those from.

    You made this shit up... obviously. We smell out bullshit pretty fast here. Why would a copy of the long form not be an exact copy of the long form? How could a copy of the long form become a short form? They are two different forms, a copy reproduces the same form, a copy doesn't generate a different form... do you know what a copy is? A copy is exactly that, it reproduces the exact record that is on file at the hospital.
     
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    Right on.
    Man o man, these birthers buffoons keep dreaming newer fables for our amusement.
    ROTFLMAO
    Best Regards
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    . ROTFLMAO.
     
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    what fables?

    Explaining the Hawaiian birth certificate is a fable? Hawaii doesn't have a short form birth certificate?
    like these? (Link)

    Hawaii doesn't have a long form birth certificate?
    like these? (Link)

    what fables? WTH are you laughing about?
     
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  13. Puzzling Evidence

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    Yes, Hawaii does have both long and short....like everyone else.
     
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    The only reason Obama releaded his long form, was all he heard all day long was" but why won't he release his long form BC?" /sad face

    There was no end to it. Obama had his birth cert and Days, i have no earthly clue why you are saying that Hawaii has no short form - you must have not checked in order to be saying that.

    This issue is as dead as Honest Abe Lincoln. I have no earthly idea why you are pressing it after it has been repeatedly debunked.
     
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    Okay, as far as what the long and short form are...

    Long Form Vs Short Form Birth Certificates. ... A long-form birth certificate is the copy of the actual certificate of birth on file with the locality where the birth took place. The short-form birth certificate is a notarized document stating that the long form certificate exists and is on file. (Link_)

    So I got this messed up, as far as what exactly is happening with the long and short forms, but hey, so did you... you didn't get the short form correct, it isn't a copy of the long form, it is a witness to the long form, that's why it is notarized. It could be very possible that Hawaii uses the short form as a witness to the long form or as a witness to natural births on the island, for which cases, there is no long form on file. And if that is what is going on, and Obama didn't have a long form on file, which he didn't, because he forged the supposed copy sent him... it certainly appears his short form was a witness to a birth that didn't happen in the hospital.

    Hawaii wasn't made a US state until 1959, Obama was born in 1961, and there was definitely a program in place where we joined the natives there, we didn't push them off their islands or set up reservations, as was typical in the lower 48 states. So I haven't seen any proof from you or Lobato that there is no such thing as using the short form as a witness to a natural birth - outside the hospital - in Hawaii. And it still seems logical to me that such a program exists.
     
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    So, understand why Trump asked for the long form certificate. In the lower 48 states, the short form certificate is a witness to the long form certificate on file... but in Hawaii, the short form is also used as a witness to a birth that happened somewhere in Hawaii, but not in the hospital. Hawaiian law recognizes the natives as citizens of the US, so it is important that they witness their births to the state... and the way they do that is to go to the nearest hospital and witness the birth to the hospital. Hawaii is the only state where you can get a witness birth certificate for a baby not born in the hospital.

    Now, in Obama's case, that witness was not made by the natives; you know damn well it wasn't made by the natives, because neither his supposed mother nor his supposed father were natives of Hawaii, so, unless Obama has a long form birth certificate on file at that hospital, you know the witness to his birth was a lie, because Obama sure as hell wasn't born among the natives. And since his grandpa was a spook, working for the CIA, and because there was no marriage, just a paper marriage and it wasn't filed until the 5th month of pregnancy... yeah, it looks like the birth witness was part of a paper trail for a baby that wasn't even born in Hawaii. But if Obama could produce proof of a long form certificate on file, then he was born at the hospital, no problem.

    Obama refused to provide proof of the long form certificate and so did the hospital, until finally, after it was getting a lot of press, he forged a long form certificate - a terrible forgery - and then I got on board, because then it was obvious something was up. I haven't done hardly any research on this one, Obama was already leaving office before I realized that there was a serious question about his birth certificate; like most Americans, I figured the short form settled the matter; I didn't know that Hawaii had more than one use for the witness certificate.

    But this place won't honestly discuss the issue, they just push propaganda and lies. Same goes for voter fraud.
     
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    I never stated that the short form is a copy of the long form. Please reread what i wrote. The parents take home a version of the long form, this is generally not considered a "short form" rather it was made at the same time and is very similar to the hard copy that the hospital keeps.

    As I already indicated, a short form is just an official copy of the hospitals electronicly stored information.
     
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    "Obama refused to provide proof of the long form certificate and so did the hospital, until finally, after it was getting a lot of press, he forged a long form certificate - a terrible forgery..."

    No one and I mean NO ONE ever gets a copy of the hospitals version Birth Certificate - the act was unprecedented in the US. The person in charge of the hospitals records had already verified it for the masses, yet there is no end to the off-kilter conspiracy nutters who refuse to see what's right in front of their faces.
     
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    I don't know if you are twisting up the meaning of the word "copy" on purpose - to muddle the issue - or if you are like myself, just popping in here from time to time and rush these posts and make mistakes.

    The short form is its own certificate, it is not a copy of the long form certificate, it is a witness to the long form certificate, hence, it is notarized.

    Hawaii also uses the short form to witness a birth that happened in the state but not in the hospital. Hence, the question arose, how was Obama's short form obtained?
     
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    There was a perfectly legit reason for wanting to see the long form certificate on file. And the Democrats are more than willing to lie, so what was so hard about taking a scan and sending it to the president? Turned out, there was no long form to scan, that was the real problem. The president posted a forgery on the white house website and I believe Trump left it up there. The long form the president posted was a composite document, not a scan, and all sorts of US citizens were making videos taking the nine layers apart that formed the document... FAKE, just like the president that posted it. I still didn't notice, I only woke up when the police forensics verified it was a forgery, I didn't pay it any attention before that.
     
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