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Obama takes a page from Nixon

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Days, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. Days

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    Except Nixon spied for his own re-election. Obama had nothing to lose, he was out either way, so he spied for Clinton. But it was the exact same thing that Nixod did; they spied on the other party's campaign.

    Because the whole collusion with the Russians gambit is a big Lie that's supposed to cover up Obama's illegal spying on the Trump campaign. So they keep pushing that Lie and pretending Obama wasn't spying. See that? wire tapping Manafort wasn't spying on Trump it was investigating non-existant collusion with the Russians to throw the election.

    The whole problem with this Lie is the idea that there was anything to investigate in the first place... they keep trying to find that. Well, jesus-stupid-christopher, the whole point is, they never had it to begin with, so it was never a legal investigation, it was always illegally spying on the Trump campaign, exactly the same as what Nixon's gang did.
     
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    Still no answer from anyone on this.


    Manafort was fired from the Trump campaign in August 2016. They had since said that he had nothing to do with the campaign after that. The wiretapping of Manafort didn't start until after the election. So how can it be that they were spying on the Trump campaign if he was not part of the Trump campaign at the time he was wiretapped ?
     
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    ohhh, stupid me, there was no spying during the election, that all started up after the election... oh man, was I ever stupid. Everyone knows you start spying after the election is over, what was I thinking?

    pow... got me.

    seems the same old Dirty tricks and Lying never change
     
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    They state when the wiretap began. The FBI investigation into the Trump campaign was started long before that. Now if you want to call that spying. Then I guess all law enforcement investigation operations have to be called spying.
     
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    WHO states when the wire tap began?

    Trump said they were spying on him, I doubt seriously he said that out of thin air. Your cover up is pointless. Basically you just say, oh no, it never happened.

    yes it did

    Obama used law enforcement to spy on Trump.
     
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    The FBI in regards to their FISA warrant.

    Trump says a lot of things that are not true out of thin air. There are plenty of examples of that. Anyway he is the head of the Federal branch. He could have anything he wants released to the public.

    Funny how he hasn't released the information formally. Why do you think that is ?
     
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    1. The Trump/Kushner meeting with Kremlin representatives, described to Trump as part of Russia's efforts to get his father elected, are an example of collusion.
    2. Is your position that the U.S. government shouldn't be able to spy on political campaigns but the Russian government should?
     
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    Well, let's see, maybe because it was all performed by the deep state under Obama? ya think?

    the way you guys act stupid is amazing.
     
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    Obama was spying on Trump. He used a well known method of "back door spying" ... he spied on all of Trump's foreign connections to spy on all of Trump's conversations with those connections. Then to cover it up, Obama investigated Russian tampering with the election. Only problem: there was no evidence of said tampering to initiate said investigation. You guys just talk in circles saying the exact same thing I said in the top post... you are not going to admit Obama was spying on Trump no matter how obvious it gets. we all know that. you are fighting for one side or the other, you are wingnuts, you care nothing for the truth, only your spin on it... I care nothing for your spin, I'm only interested in what really happened.
     
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    Yeah there was evidence of the Russian tampering with the elections. Comey testified that they were investigating the Trump Campaign by the spring of 2016. Also you are ignoring that foreign intel agencies picked up on it long before the US and warned us about what Russia was up to. So if you want to call our law enforcement investigating possible illegal activities as spying then I guess all cops are spying for the govt. federal state and local.
     
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    The U.S. has been routinely spying on Russian government folks and their U.S. agents for decades. That wasn't an attempt to surreptitiously record the Trump campaign when it fortuitously made contact with those agents ... it was business as usual.
     
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    It was business as usual in the main, but in the case of Trump, it was performed on specific contacts of Trump in order to spy on him during the campaign.
     
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    "tampering with the election" implies messing with the vote. Russia didn't do that.

    what you really had was Russian contact with Trump; contacts that Trump had from long before. Obama jumped on that to do some back door spying... which he performed via an investigation into tampering that never happened and alleged hacking that they had no proof for. IOW, he had no probable cause to issue the FISA warrants, hence, it was illegal spying, it was the same thing Nixon did, he just had judges in his corner who were willing to license the whole activity.

    Obama will never get caught, there is no way to catch him, he covered all his tracks, he did it the right way, but at the same time, it is soooooooo obvious he did it, especially when they wire tapped Trump's campaign manager. November 8th, all proof of spying during the election was deleted. Information is easy to dispose of when you are careful how you handle it.
     
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    Now if you are talking about REAL spying as in our intelligence agencies. It is their DUTY to spy on people with contacts and connections with Russia. Russia is not our friend. We might never know that part of it. So that is not what I am talking about.

    But as far as if these people committed a crime or were flirting with espionage involving another country. Those possibilities have to be looked into when you are talking about someone who is going to lead our nation. The job has too few qualifications as it is. But you just don't turn a blind eye to a possible threat like that because it's an election and it might look bad. But claiming that there was no evidence when a warrant was issued by a judge is pulling facts out of nowhere. You're basically calling the judge crooked with no evidence at all.

    HE WAS NO LONGER THE CAMPAIGN MANAGER AND HAD NOT BEEN FOR A LONG TIME !

    Either you're wrong that or the Trump people are wrong about that.
     
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    If so, the people responsible should be fired and prosecuted and the powers of the agencies involved limited. In fact, those powers should be limited, whatever we find.
     
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    spin spin spin

    Obama used the FBI and the CIA and the NSA to spy on Trump's campaign. No I can't prove it... but yes we know it happened, as sure as we know Nixon knew his inner circle was breaking into WaterGate.

    they delete the evidence, but you know it happened, I know it happened, everyone knows it happened.
     
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    ask me, we should dissolve the CIA altogether. It was always a sinister operation of covert activity, everything they do breaks laws, it is what they do. they spy, they murder, they run covert wars, they run drugs, they are the face of evil. Presidents swear by them, go figure.
     
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    Yeah he did. But that is something completely different than this. I posted about that months ago.

    http://www.politicaljack.com/thread...-our-secret-warriors-another-bombshell.99436/
     
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    Spam this is really right down your alley, I'm not crazy about pure politics. I'm sure the simple notion in my mind conjures up an entire hue and range of ideas in your mind.

    This presidency attacked the status quo, and the status quo attacked back. It's been a sticky battle of intrigue at the highest levels of government. I'm sure all kinds of things are happening behind the scenes. Obama using the agencies to spy on Trump is just the tip of the iceberg.

    some day, if we ever find out all the poop, this is going to make a really good movie
     
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    I certainly hope this is true, and can be proven true. It could severely limit or all together eliminate FISA courts. At the least it could improve transparency and establish much more strict guidelines.
     
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