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Oh, my. Et tu, Congress???

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
But the dictator is on your side. Schiff doesn't even want to allow the American people to choose their next president. :)
Schiff wants Trump ousted from the WH like all decent Americans do.
Then, he wouldn't be on the ballot, would he? How would that make Schiff a Dictator?
Enablers like you and others who vote for that traitorous, lying POS are the ones who seem to want a Dictator. And don't forget, Trump has mentioned being President forever. Dictator wanna-be and you're all his subjects.
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Of course. That’s the way our laws operate.

And then we have Trump, who withheld aid illegally, and surreptitiously, through skullduggery in order to obtain the personal/political objectives he demanded.
LOL NOW the President is the Congress. This has to be the dumbest thread ever.
 

Colorforms

Senator
Schiff wants Trump ousted from the WH like all decent Americans do.
Then, he wouldn't be on the ballot, would he? How would that make Schiff a Dictator?
Enablers like you and others who vote for that traitorous, lying POS are the ones who seem to want a Dictator. And don't forget, Trump has mentioned being President forever. Dictator wanna-be and you're all his subjects.
Right "Trump has mentioned being President forever". Are you really so socially challenged not to recognize mocking when you hear it?
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Right "Trump has mentioned being President forever". Are you really so socially challenged not to recognize mocking when you hear it?
I'm socially aware that Trump would like nothing better. Don't try to kid yourself and others. I'm sure he was "just joking" although he has mentioned it several times.
As he said...."jokingly" He could go out on 5th avenue and shoot someone and his base wouldn't care(not sure of his wording, but you and everyone else got the drift) You could call that joking, but you can't deny it's true...one of the FEW true statements he has made in his miserable life,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-election-president-four-terms-14-years-a9074451.html
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Found the answer to the withholding of funds issue.

Congress itself may order a hold on allocated funds. And has. Look...hundreds of times, without issue.

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ukraine-clearinghouse-letter_from_omb_gc_paoletta_to_gao_gc_armstrong-2019.12.11.pdf

Page 8.



In fiscal years 2017-2019 alone, 0MB is aware of Congressional committees directing that billions of dollars of funds appropriated to State and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USABD) be withheld 10 days or more beyond the statutory notice period:

• In FY 2017, Congressional committee holds of 10 days or more beyond the statutory notice period affected more than $6.7 billion in State and USAID funds. This included one hold of 321 days, one hold of 228 days, and three holds of more than 100 days past the statutory notice period. In total, there were at least 115 instances of Congressionally directed holds in foreign aid funds in FY 2017 that extended 10 days or more past the statutory notice period. 20 Id. See also B-221412 (Feb. 12, 1986). 0MB's position that programmatic delays, including programmatic delays that require the use of its apportionment authority, do not constitute deferrals is not new. That distinction was made in 2002. As a result, no President since that time has reported such actions as deferrals. 21478 U.S. 714 (1986). 22 462 U.S. 919 (1983). 23 As the Supreme Court has noted: [A]n agency's allocation of funds from a lump-sum appropriation requires "a complicated balancing of a number of factors which are peculiarly within its expertise": whether its "resources are best spent" on one program or another; whether it "is likely to succeed" in fulfilling its statutory mandate; whether a particular program "best fits the agency's overall policies"; and, "indeed, whether the agency has enough resources" to fund a program "at all." .. .Of course, an agency is not free simply to disregard statutory responsibilities: Congress may always circumscribe agency discretion to allocate resources by putting restrictions in the operative statutes (though not, as we have seen, just in the legislative history). .. And, of course, we hardly need to note that an agency's decision to ignore congressional expectations may expose it to grave political consequences. Lincoln v. Vigil, 508 U.S. 182, 193 (1993) (internal citations omitted). 24 0MB is aware of instances in which Members of Congress demanded that agencies withhold funds for months— and even years—beyond the period required by statute for reasons wholly unrelated to the purpose of the appropriation. 0MB respectfully suggests that GAO take an interest in this practice, as well. • In FY 2018, Congressional committee holds of 10 days or more beyond the statutory notice period affected more than $3.5 billion in State and US AID funds. This included one hold of 201 days and four holds of more than 100 days past the statutory notice period. In total, there were at least 148 instances of Congressionally-directed holds in foreign aid funds in FY 2018 that extended 10 days or more past the statutory notice period. • In FY 2019, Congressional committee holds of 10 days or more beyond the statutory notice period affected more than $762 million in State and USAID funds. In total, there were at least 31 instances of Congressionally-directed holds in foreign aid funds in FY 2019 that extended 10 days or more past the statutory notice period.
Unreal...the violation was that Trump did not notify congress...not that he put a hold on the funds. Are you now arguing that Congress failed to notify themselves of those holds?
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
Unreal...the violation was that Trump did not notify congress...not that he put a hold on the funds. Are you now arguing that Congress failed to notify themselves of those holds?

No, real. Are you saying no apportionment authority was exercised?
 
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