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Oh My, What To Do?

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Don't see where you got all of that out of my comment, however, knowing what a low IQ forum this is I doubt you even understand what I said. Unlike you I do understand the difference between capitalism, crony capitalism, corporatism, etc. However, as time will tell, it is not just "crony capitalism" that is destroying the country, it is also a greatly "unfettered capitalism" that Adam Smith warned against that is destroying the economy, and the country.

For some reason I doubt if you even know what Capitalism, is, or, for that matter, what Classical Liberalism is.
After twenty years on these forums, I have found that those who try to use faux intellectual superiority in an argument are usually trying to give their erroneous interpretations of reality more weight than they deserve. FWIW.

You obviously do not understand capitalism, because anyone who suggests that the capitalism we have now (or have had in the past 100 years for that matter) is "unfettered," is (quite frankly) full of shit.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I appreciate the reasons you don't like either party but if you don't choose between the only two possible future presidents, i.e. the lessor of two evils, then you are not participating in deciding who your next president is.
If you don’t vote outside of the existing dichotomy, you will remain trapped within it. I’m not playing that game.
 

OldTrapper

Council Member
After twenty years on these forums, I have found that those who try to use faux intellectual superiority in an argument are usually trying to give their erroneous interpretations of reality more weight than they deserve. FWIW.

You obviously do not understand capitalism, because anyone who suggests that the capitalism we have now (or have had in the past 100 years for that matter) is "unfettered," is (quite frankly) full of shit.
And I find it is the fools who cannot grasp what the comment was about that usually feel they are superior to all others. Where id d I say that the "capitalism" of today is unfettered? Did I not say "Greatly unfettered"? If it were otherwise we would not see the multi-corporations we see today that are smothering competition, and workers rights.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/2/18130630/american-capitalism-neoliberalism-steven-pearlstein

But I am sure you know better. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

FakeName

Governor
If you don’t vote outside of the existing dichotomy, you will remain trapped within it. I’m not playing that game.
If you do vote outside the existing dichotomy you will still remain trapped within it. The difference is that you aren't participating in choosing your next president in any real way. I am all for "third" parties but they need to start out at the city county and state levels and build support before a presidential run is viable. Voting for a third party in a presidential race is throwing your vote away. Far better to vote for the one you consider the lessor of two evils so you don't end up with the worse of the two.

But that was s just my opinion.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
If you do vote outside the existing dichotomy you will still remain trapped within it. The difference is that you aren't participating in choosing your next president in any real way. I am all for "third" parties but they need to start out at the city county and state levels and build support before a presidential run is viable. Voting for a third party in a presidential race is throwing your vote away. Far better to vote for the one you consider the lessor of two evils so you don't end up with the worse of the two.

But that was s just my opinion.
Actually you're the one you're throwing your vote away by voting for candidates who are barely different from each other. Rick and I are sending a clear message that we aren't happy with the choices.

The critical part is you have to actually vote third party. That says we care, and we aren't happy with the TwoParty choices. Not voting says you don't care. Voting for the parties just says you're their slave. Republicans and Democrats are like male and female stink bugs. You can tell each other apart, but no one else can
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
you angry old white men get your news from info wars?
You trust the news that only tells you your side. Now that's not a pursuit of "truth." For truth, you need to listen to all the news. Even things you disagree with. Blows your freaking mind, doesn't it?
 

FakeName

Governor
Actually you're the one you're throwing your vote away by voting for candidates who are barely different from each other. Rick and I are sending a clear message that we aren't happy with the choices.

The critical part is you have to actually vote third party. That says we care, and we aren't happy with the TwoParty choices. Not voting says you don't care. Voting for the parties just says you're their slave. Republicans and Democrats are like male and female stink bugs. You can tell each other apart, but no one else can
There was a huge difference between Trump and Hillary Clinton. A huge difference between Gore and George w Bush, a huge difference between bill Clinton and George H. W. Bush, etc.

Depending on your policy preferences one of each pair was a far better choice than the other.

Avoiding the actual choice by voting for someone who you know will not be president is illogical.
 

OldTrapper

Council Member
Capitalism is just economic freedom. Crony capitalism and corporatism are forms of socialism where government picks market winners.

Do you know that? How is economic freedom "destroying the economy?"
Because we are a capitalist society in name only.

Did you know that? Kind of like one claiming to be "conservative".
 

FakeName

Governor
So lets all join together and get the government out of capitalism and let it thrive.
There is not one single economy that is truly capitalist that has ever "thrived".

Every single successful economy in the world is what is defined as a "Mixed Economy" which combines elements of market economics with elements of socialism.

Facts matter.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
Because we are a capitalist society in name only.

Did you know that? Kind of like one claiming to be "conservative".
Disagreed. If we’re not capitalist, what are we? Certainly not socialist. IMO, the best society human beings are currently able to achieve is what most First World nations have: A Constitutional Republic with a regulated capitalist economy and a socialist safety net for the sick, elderly and minors.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
There is not one single economy that is truly capitalist that has ever "thrived".

Every single successful economy in the world is what is defined as a "Mixed Economy" which combines elements of market economics with elements of socialism.

Facts matter.
You are talking about a pure Yankee Trader form of capitalism. Yes, that has problems since honest people tend to tar and feather or hang snake-oil salesmen. We do have a regulated capitalist economy and, despite some faults, has made the US among the wealthiest nations in history.
 

FakeName

Governor
Disagreed. If we’re not capitalist, what are we? Certainly not socialist. IMO, the best society human beings are currently able to achieve is what most First World nations have: A Constitutional Republic with a regulated capitalist economy and a socialist safety net for the sick, elderly and minors.
We are by definition a mixed economy, like all successful economies are. Our economy combines elements of market economics with elements of socialism.
 

FakeName

Governor
You are talking about a pure Yankee Trader form of capitalism. Yes, that has problems since honest people tend to tar and feather or hang snake-oil salesmen. We do have a regulated capitalist economy and, despite some faults, has made the US among the wealthiest nations in history.
I am talking about definitions. Our economy, like all successful economies is by definition a "mixed economy". Niether capitalist or socialist but rather a hybrid of both.

There has never been a capitalist economy that didn't fail miserably if it didn't transition away from capitalism and become a mixed economy.
 

Max R.

On the road
Supporting Member
We are by definition a mixed economy, like all successful economies are. Our economy combines elements of market economics with elements of socialism.
Agreed, although Americans have less socialism than the Euros for several reasons. The main one being that Euros have a long history of monarchies or dictatorships (yes, even if it’s a communist dictatorship). Americans do not. It’s one reason why we are so different even than our closest neighbor with the world’s longest undefeated border.
 

redtide

Mayor
There is not one single economy that is truly capitalist that has ever "thrived".

Every single successful economy in the world is what is defined as a "Mixed Economy" which combines elements of market economics with elements of socialism.

Facts matter.
you left out that those with the least govt intrusion thrived the most and allowed the dirt floor poor to climb out of poverty on their own
 

FakeName

Governor
you left out that those with the least govt intrusion thrived the most and allowed the dirt floor poor to climb out of poverty on their own
Not true. All mixed economies allowed the dirt floor poor to climb out of poverty and the evidence shows that in just about every way of measuring it the quality of life and levels of happiness are higher in the countries with higher levels of gov. Involvement like those in northern Europe.
 
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