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Oil company profits humming right along

justoffal

Senator
http://www.journalnow.com/opinion/columnists/article_89c3074c-ff85-11e2-a563-001a4bcf6878.html

Gasoline prices are skyrocketing, as many news reports attest. The stories blame a variety of factors for the uptick — from unrest in Egypt to rising summer demand. But, like the absence of Pierre from Sartre’s café, the stories hold a gaping absence in which something ought to be. That something? The sinister implication that blame should fall on the president.

Such an implication — if not the outright accusation — was rarely out of public view throughout the eight years of President George W. Bush’s stay in the White House.

A few years ago, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi fumed that Americans were pay-ing a whopping $2.91 per gallon for gasoline. Denouncing the “record gas prices ... and record oil company profits,” she blamed “President Bush, Speaker (Dennis) Hastert and the Majority Congress. ... Big oil and gas companies wrote the Republican energy bill, and the American people paid the price.”

“(We) need a president who can stand up to Big Oil and big energy companies and say enough is enough,” declared Sen. Barack Obama.

“Today’s record-high gas prices are the price that the American people are paying for the Bush administration’s failed energy policies,” agreed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Democrats demanded hearings — and, once Pelosi became House majority leader, got them. “Congress Grills Oil Execs on Record Profits,” ran the headlines.

Gasoline prices certainly did rise under Bush, soaring 180 percent from the day he took office to their all-time peak in July 2008. They plunged after that and, after adjusting for inflation, stood 9 percent lower when he left the White House than when he entered it. Since Obama took office they have doubled: Gasoline prices stood at $1.72 per gallon in January of 2009 and last month averaged $3.48.

Oil company profits have been humming right along, too.

You can’t expect Democrats to blast their own president for any of this. But what about the press? The Business and Media Institute, an arm of the conservative Media Research Center, analyzed coverage for two comparable periods of gas-price increases, in 2008 and 2011. It found the big three networks did more than twice as many stories on gasoline sticker shock in 2008 as they did three years later.

Well, maybe other stories were competing for attention in 2011, right? Fair enough. Yet consider this: Stories about gasoline prices mentioned Bush, the government or the president 15 times as often in 2008 as they brought up Obama or the government in 2011.

This is particularly striking when you consider the two administrations’ policies. The rap against Bush held that all he wanted to do was drill, drill, drill — an approach that would increase the supply of gasoline and potentially lower prices. Obama, on the other hand, insists “we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices.” (Though he does say we can achieve the same result through proper tire inflation.) He has balked at approving the Keystone XL pipeline.

Before being appointed, Obama’s first Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, said, “We have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” Yet when gas prices rise, none of this seems to merit even a mention.

If you think that difference in treatment arises from partisan or ideological bias, you’re right. Last year, The Washington Post noted that “Democrats in 2006 were more inclined to blame Bush for high gas prices than Republicans are to blame Obama now.” And the difference is more than minor: “73 percent of Democrats thought Bush could do some-thing to reduce gas prices, while only 33 percent (of Democrats) think Obama could — a 40-point shift. By contrast, 47 percent of Republicans thought Bush could help bring gas prices down, compared with to the 65 percent who think Obama could — only an 18-point shift.”

In other words, if you ask someone whether the president can affect gasoline prices, Democrats are far more likely to change their answer depending on who occupies the Oval Office. And as everyone knows, liberal Democrats outnumber conservative Repub-licans in the media by a ratio of something like 8 gajillion to one.

Setting aside partisan politics, the truth is that the president really can’t do much to affect prices at the pump. More drilling — and good tire inflation — might make a marginal difference. Higher fuel-economy standards can help, too, although they create a boomer-ang effect (a lower marginal cost per mile encourages more driving).

On the whole, though, such policies don’t matter much when — as Obama has pointed out — the number of cars in China has tripled in just five years. The effect on global oil prices from soaring demand in China, India and other emerging economies will over-whelm just about anything the U.S. can do at home.

That’s Econ 101 — and a lesson the media seem to have grasped. We’ll see how good their retention is the next time a Republican moves into the White House.

A. Barton Hinkle is deputy editor of the editorial pages at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

bhinkle@timesdispatch.com
 

EatTheRich

President
So gas prices skyrocketed under Bush, then fell drastically when the economy collapsed. As the economy has recovered under Obama, they have risen to little more than half of the high set under Bush (adjusted for inflation). Sure, you can blame Obama, for not nationalizing the oil industry, for not pushing for a massive public transportation network, for not eliminating the gas tax. But are these passive failures really comparable to Bush's active role in invading Iraq in order to keep millions of barrels of Iraqi oil off the market?
 

justoffal

Senator
We can blame the office of the POTUS in general regardless of the person in that office. And BTW the economy has not recovered under Obama.....if you choose to buy that schtick then you are sadly possessed of willing stupidity.

Have the government number crunchers put out high sounding recovery reports that mangle the statistics and misrepresent the true state of affairs....why yes of course they do....they did it for Bush, they are doing it for Obama and they will probably do it for the next swinging dick ( Maybe Hillary ? ) that walks through that door.

What is very clear here is the stark role of the media in both of theses situations. While Bush was POTUS the press accused him of having a gas price button in his outhouse that he just liked to push whenever he felt like it. On the other hand now that Obama is in that position the press chooses to see that controlling something like the oil industry is much easier said than done and that the President may not be able to do it alone and maybe not even with the help of congress. They were never that understanding before so it is obvious that the press is not really the press, they are in fact an arm of the democratic party. Of course the President cannot control Opec or any of the other constituent commodities suppliers......

But here's what he can do....he CAN...take the US off of the International commodities market by exploiting homegrown supplies of gas and oils and getting the EPA out of the smokestacks and back into the economy. Bush wouldn't do it because he had too many friends in the Oil industry who liked the high prices just the way they were and Obama will not do it for the Very same Goddamned reason. Granted they both hid behind different rocks but the result to the American Public is the same.
 
We can blame the office of the POTUS in general regardless of the person in that office. And BTW the economy has not recovered under Obama.....if you choose to buy that schtick then you are sadly possessed of willing stupidity.

Have the government number crunchers put out high sounding recovery reports that mangle the statistics and misrepresent the true state of affairs....why yes of course they do....they did it for Bush, they are doing it for Obama and they will probably do it for the next swinging dick ( Maybe Hillary ? ) that walks through that door.

What is very clear here is the stark role of the media in both of theses situations. While Bush was POTUS the press accused him of having a gas price button in his outhouse that he just liked to push whenever he felt like it. On the other hand now that Obama is in that position the press chooses to see that controlling something like the oil industry is much easier said than done and that the President may not be able to do it alone and maybe not even with the help of congress. They were never that understanding before so it is obvious that the press is not really the press, they are in fact an arm of the democratic party. Of course the President cannot control Opec or any of the other constituent commodities suppliers......

But here's what he can do....he CAN...take the US off of the International commodities market by exploiting homegrown supplies of gas and oils and getting the EPA out of the smokestacks and back into the economy. Bush wouldn't do it because he had too many friends in the Oil industry who liked the high prices just the way they were and Obama will not do it for the Very same Goddamned reason. Granted they both hid behind different rocks but the result to the American Public is the same.
I read somewhere that the Federal govt. makes more money per gallon of gas than the oil companies make. Isn't that money supposed to be earmarked for the infrastructure everybody screams about?
 

EatTheRich

President
We can blame the office of the POTUS in general regardless of the person in that office. And BTW the economy has not recovered under Obama.....if you choose to buy that schtick then you are sadly possessed of willing stupidity.

Have the government number crunchers put out high sounding recovery reports that mangle the statistics and misrepresent the true state of affairs....why yes of course they do....they did it for Bush, they are doing it for Obama and they will probably do it for the next swinging dick ( Maybe Hillary ? ) that walks through that door.

What is very clear here is the stark role of the media in both of theses situations. While Bush was POTUS the press accused him of having a gas price button in his outhouse that he just liked to push whenever he felt like it. On the other hand now that Obama is in that position the press chooses to see that controlling something like the oil industry is much easier said than done and that the President may not be able to do it alone and maybe not even with the help of congress. They were never that understanding before so it is obvious that the press is not really the press, they are in fact an arm of the democratic party. Of course the President cannot control Opec or any of the other constituent commodities suppliers......

But here's what he can do....he CAN...take the US off of the International commodities market by exploiting homegrown supplies of gas and oils and getting the EPA out of the smokestacks and back into the economy. Bush wouldn't do it because he had too many friends in the Oil industry who liked the high prices just the way they were and Obama will not do it for the Very same Goddamned reason. Granted they both hid behind different rocks but the result to the American Public is the same.
Are you seriously saying that we'd be doing more domestic drilling and dirty refining if not for the oil companies' influence?

I read somewhere that the Federal govt. makes more money per gallon of gas than the oil companies make. Isn't that money supposed to be earmarked for the infrastructure everybody screams about?
Citation needed.
 

ElGringo

Mayor
Citation needed.
This article claims that while the federal government gets 18.4 cents per gallon while oil companies profit 7 cents per gallon:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563383982418536.html

But then we have this which states that the 7 cents figure doesn't include profits from the sale and refining of crude oil, whatever that means:

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/05/playing-politics-with-gasoline-prices/

I guess we all can go ahead and believe whatever we want to believe on this one.
 

justoffal

Senator
This article claims that while the federal government gets 18.4 cents per gallon while oil companies profit 7 cents per gallon:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563383982418536.html

But then we have this which states that the 7 cents figure doesn't include profits from the sale and refining of crude oil, whatever that means:

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/05/playing-politics-with-gasoline-prices/

I guess we all can go ahead and believe whatever we want to believe on this one.
Greetings and Salutatoins sir...

It can be daunting to draw the line between conspiracy and fact at times.
The price of Gasoline is a very complex number that has literally hundreds of input variables. One that many people are just totally unaware of is dollar adjustment. As the dollar devalues the things you buy with it change the price numbers up to compensate......something the average consumer never really sees.

On the flip side I find it amazing in the extreme that huge conglomerates like Exxon or Shell are allowed to buy up their own commodities products. Exxon can use it's massive cash hedge to drive up the price of oil by entering the market and purchasing huge contracts almost directly from itslef! Something that should be patently illegal........So yes the big boys can and do screw us when they can.

While I am generally opposed to government inteference in these things this is one thing that could use a little inteference. The US Government could pressure the oil companies to be a little more fair simply by threatening to release parts of the strategic reserve to the refineries. This would spank the quick turnover speculators who are constatnly adding that next nickel per gallon to the price.

In the long run however it's not a permanent fix .

JO
 

Mr. Friscus

Governor
Yet consider this: Stories about gasoline prices mentioned Bush, the government or the president 15 times as often in 2008 as they brought up Obama or the government in 2011.
Pretty much all you need to know...

It's not about the actual numbers, it's about who is in office. Typical petty political games. Pelosi has nothing to stand on as far as her record.
 
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