New Posts
  • Hi there guest! Welcome to PoliticalJack.com. Register for free to join our community?

Outsourcing is the symptom, Government is the Disease.

everything evil and false "liberal"
EVERYTHING about Neo-liberalism is evil and false. And people who believe in it are either seeking maximum power over the individual, or are too stupid to realize they are supporting their own demise

That doesn't substaniate your claim that "Founders established right to own private property."
They sure as hell did in this country. Before that all property was owned by the crown.


As a matter of fact, because some states have a property tax on both private and real property, one can say that those taxes violate the spirit, if not the law, of private property ownership.
 

GordonGecko

President
EVERYTHING about Neo-liberalism is evil and false.
So God is a Republican, huh?

:D


BTW, Sarge, still waiting. Show where there was no private property ownership before 1776...especially since you are citing America and Britain, show were it didn't exist in the British Empire....

or did they "get it us from US later"??? :D
 

degsme

Council Member
Read Madison's biography sometime. Madison defined property, and also created, in the constitution, the protection of it and the right to own it.
Madison was not the only "founding father" and so he created nothing himself. In fact without Franklin there would be NO CONSTITUTION because Franklin brokered The Great Compromise and the bicameral structure of Congress so as to make the Constitution Ratifiable.

So you are saying that our Founding Fathers didn't have half a brain cell? Seriously dude
. Founders established right to own private property.
IOW if private property IS THE CREATION OF THE CONSTITUTION and the FFs, then as Frankling points out

Private Property therefore is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing;

its Contributions therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Publick, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or the Payment of a just Debt.​

Note also that WITHIN the Constitution, Private Property protections are SECONDARY to individual and political rights and protections. The Government can exercise Eminent Domain at any point in time, thereby taking away your private property, simply by paying you money to do so.

Not so with

  • Freedom of religious expression
  • Freedom of Speech
  • Freedom from Search and Seizure
  • freedom of the right to keep and arm bears
  • Freedom from torture
  • Due Process Rights
  • Equal Protection Rights
  • Protection from Slavery
  • Habeas rights

NOT ONE of those rights can be suspended simply by having the government pay you money.


But for property it can. That makes Private Property a SECONDARY and subserviant right to individual and POLITICAL rights.
 

degsme

Council Member
EVERYTHING about Neo-liberalism is evil and false.
Righttt cuz you say so..

That doesn't substaniate your claim that "Founders established right to own private property."
They sure as hell did in this country. Before that all property was owned by the crown.
Um not quite. All they established was that if you DID own private property, that the only way it could be taken from you is by paying you cash

that's a better deal than under the crown, but no final guarantee.
 
Top