Question for Arkady and his fellow progressive 'thinkers':

[Barbella]

If the Northeast (like Massachusetts, for example) is so great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....

why is it that people keep leaving it? Moving in droves to the 'backward, unenlightened' South?

Hmmmm......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/the-states-that-are-seeing-a-boom-in-population-and-the-states-that-arent/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na

 

[bdtex]

If the Northeast (like Massachusetts, for example) is so great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....

why is it that people keep leaving it? Moving in droves to the 'backward, unenlightened' South?

Hmmmm......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/the-states-that-are-seeing-a-boom-in-population-and-the-states-that-arent/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na

Your own source answers your question:

"Several long-term trends dating as far back as the 1960s are behind this larger pattern. The rise of air conditioning and interstate highways have made once-sleepy (and sweltering) Southern cities more appealing. And, over the same time, the decline of industrial jobs in the Midwest and Northeast have pushed people out. Cheap housing during the boom years also drove growth in states such as Arizona and Nevada."

You're welcome.

 

[Barbella]

Your own source answers your question:

"Several long-term trends dating as far back as the 1960s are behind this larger pattern. The rise of air conditioning and interstate highways have made once-sleepy (and sweltering) Southern cities more appealing. And, over the same time, the decline of industrial jobs in the Midwest and Northeast have pushed people out. Cheap housing during the boom years also drove growth in states such as Arizona and Nevada."

You're welcome.

Doesn't answer my question how and why people still laud the Northeast as so "great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....", when apparently the opposite is true.... which is why so many people move away.

Does it?

 

[bdtex]

Doesn't answer my question how and why people still laud the Northeast as so "great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....", when apparently the opposite is true.... which is why so many people move away.

Does it?

Your own source once again answers your question. The movement is for practical reasons not the ones you chummishly imply.

 

[Barbella]

Your own source once again answers your question. The movement is for practical reasons not the ones you chummishly imply.

I'm not "implying" anything. I'm asking how anyone can keep on trumpeting the Northeast as oh-so-wonderful when, OBVIOUSLY, hundreds of thousands disagree and are fleeing the region. Instead of bleating about the awesomeness of Massachusetts etc, why not stop and think "hmmm.... what's going on here"?

Why not question the facts, instead of just spouting the party line "BLUE STATES ARE BETTER!""???

Apparently not everyone agrees with that.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Your own source answers your question:

"Several long-term trends dating as far back as the 1960s are behind this larger pattern. The rise of air conditioning and interstate highways have made once-sleepy (and sweltering) Southern cities more appealing. And, over the same time, the decline of industrial jobs in the Midwest and Northeast have pushed people out. Cheap housing during the boom years also drove growth in states such as Arizona and Nevada."

You're welcome.

Why are industrial jobs declining there?

 

[Craig]

If the Northeast (like Massachusetts, for example) is so great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....

why is it that people keep leaving it? Moving in droves to the 'backward, unenlightened' South?

Hmmmm......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/the-states-that-are-seeing-a-boom-in-population-and-the-states-that-arent/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na

As your article states...

Several long-term trends dating as far back as the 1960s are behind this larger pattern. The rise of air conditioning and interstate highways have made once-sleepy (and sweltering) Southern cities more appealing. And, over the same time, the decline of industrial jobs in the Midwest and Northeast have pushed people out. Cheap housing during the boom years also drove growth in states such as Arizona and Nevada.

 

[Barbella]

Why are industrial jobs declining there?

Easy. Rules, regulations, more rules and regulations. Sucky environment for businesses.

 

[Barbella]

As your article states...

Several long-term trends dating as far back as the 1960s are behind this larger pattern. The rise of air conditioning and interstate highways have made once-sleepy (and sweltering) Southern cities more appealing. And, over the same time, the decline of industrial jobs in the Midwest and Northeast have pushed people out. Cheap housing during the boom years also drove growth in states such as Arizona and Nevada.

See my response to bdtex. Same thing.

 

[Craig]

See my response to bdtex. Same thing.

In part.

In part because of older buildings failing to meet the needs of newer industries. In part because people like warmer weather. In part because the south and west now have the infrastructure and all the other things, shopping, culture...that it used to lack due to the less favorable weather conditions.

The south is less "unenlightened" then it used to be. Simple considerations...like professional sports, which 60 years ago had little presence in the south, now do. In 1960, the southernmost city in major league baseball, excepting Los Angeles, one of just two west coast teams, was Washington, DC. That team relocated to Minneapolis the following year, making Baltimore the southernmost city in MLB. Things started to change after that, as this trend was beginning. In '61, Houston got a baseball team and a few years later, Atlanta had one. Now, pro sports are in Charlotte, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis...and out west, Phoenix, Denver, Seattle, Portland...San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego...Sacramento...

Again...this is a long standing trend, this movement south and west and the ever burgeoning population of the nation, now nearly twice that of 1960. Arizona, for example, had about 1.3 million in 1960, today, nearly 7 million...

 

[Barbella]

In part.

In part because of older buildings failing to meet the needs of newer industries. In part because people like warmer weather. In part because the south and west now have the infrastructure and all the other things, shopping, culture...that it used to lack due to the less favorable weather conditions.

The south is less "unenlightened" then it used to be. Simple considerations...like professional sports, which 60 years ago had little presence in the south, now do. In 1960, the southernmost city in major league baseball, excepting Los Angeles, one of just two west coast teams, was Washington, DC. That team relocated to Minneapolis the following year, making Baltimore the southernmost city in MLB. Things started to change after that, as this trend was beginning. In '61, Houston got a baseball team and a few years later, Atlanta had one. Now, pro sports are in Charlotte, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis...and out west, Phoenix, Denver, Seattle, Portland...San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego...Sacramento...

Again...this is a long standing trend, this movement south and west and the ever burgeoning population of the nation, now nearly twice that of 1960. Arizona, for example, had about 1.3 million in 1960, today, nearly 7 million...

I'm not arguing any of that. Never did.

However, that wasn't my question. Read my top post again.

 

[resident_evil]

In part.

In part because of older buildings failing to meet the needs of newer industries. In part because people like warmer weather. In part because the south and west now have the infrastructure and all the other things, shopping, culture...that it used to lack due to the less favorable weather conditions.

The south is less "unenlightened" then it used to be. Simple considerations...like professional sports, which 60 years ago had little presence in the south, now do. In 1960, the southernmost city in major league baseball, excepting Los Angeles, one of just two west coast teams, was Washington, DC. That team relocated to Minneapolis the following year, making Baltimore the southernmost city in MLB. Things started to change after that, as this trend was beginning. In '61, Houston got a baseball team and a few years later, Atlanta had one. Now, pro sports are in Charlotte, Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, Miami, Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis...and out west, Phoenix, Denver, Seattle, Portland...San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego...Sacramento...

Again...this is a long standing trend, this movement south and west and the ever burgeoning population of the nation, now nearly twice that of 1960. Arizona, for example, had about 1.3 million in 1960, today, nearly 7 million...

Still doesn't answer the question. Why leave the Northeast if it is heaven on earth according to Arkady and the leftist proponents of Nor'Easter socialism? Get the [Unwelcome language removed] out of our part of the country. We are hell on earth. Get out!!! ha ha ha

THE BEST PART IS THAT YOU ENERGY SAVING ENVIRONMENTAL BASTARDS MOVE TO THE SOUTH AND TURN ON YOUR AIR CONDITIONERS AND DRAIN THE SWAMPS FOR HOUSING.

@Arkady I think you're losing your chance to set the record straight.

 

[NinaS]

If the Northeast (like Massachusetts, for example) is so great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....

why is it that people keep leaving it? Moving in droves to the 'backward, unenlightened' South?

Hmmmm......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/the-states-that-are-seeing-a-boom-in-population-and-the-states-that-arent/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na

Not sure why it should be a problem to you or me since neither of us live in a Southern state.

 

[resident_evil]

If the Northeast (like Massachusetts, for example) is so great, so wonderful, so enlightened and progressive....

why is it that people keep leaving it? Moving in droves to the 'backward, unenlightened' South?

Hmmmm......

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/28/the-states-that-are-seeing-a-boom-in-population-and-the-states-that-arent/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na

I'd guess the socialist are deporting all the undesirables. They're gathering them in cattle cars and shipping them South because they've all been properly aged, fattened, and stupefied to ruin Southern demographics.

 

[Craig]

I'm not arguing any of that. Never did.

However, that wasn't my question. Read my top post again.

You asked why people are "leaving in droves"...if Massachusetts is "so great".

The answer is multitudinous.

 

[resident_evil]

Not sure why it should be a problem to you or me since neither of us live in a Southern state.

I do so you can take your people back. We don't care if they are trying to escape socialist Sharia laws; where you have to reiterate the right politically correct mantras or have your head chopped off.

 

[resident_evil]

Hey, @Arkady, if global warming is real why are all your true believing socialist brethren fleeing to the part of the country that will be most adversely affected by it?

Reminds me of Algore buying beach front property in California.

 

[Craig]

Not sure why it should be a problem to you or me since neither of us live in a Southern state.

My folks retired to Florida from Pennsylvania because my father wanted to play golf in January.

Some good friends just retired and moved from Maryland...to Florida...because they got sick of cold and snow...and they just happen to be Disney freaks. They now both work at DisneyWorld. Because they can.

I look at some of the drop dead gorgeous property available in places like upstate New York. It's cheap to buy... but fairly isolated and cold. Why would anyone move there?

 

[NinaS]

I do so you can take your people back. We don't care if they are trying to escape socialist Sharia laws; where you have to reiterate the right politically correct mantras or have your head chopped off.

Take my people back? "My people" don't live in the south. Sorry Charlie (Stan...or whoever you are)

 

[resident_evil]

Take my people back? "My people" don't live in the south. Sorry Charlie (Stan...or whoever you are)

You can take all your carpet baggin' Yankees back. :0)