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Question For Honest Liberals On *Climate Change*

Currently. So it wasn't in the past? That seems odd.
No, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were affecting global temperatures and global sea levels, but that isn't the only factor in either of those. It a vast oversimplication to say
Sea Level=CO2 levels*constant.
For starters, the sea floor level affects the sea level. Normal geological forces, like erosion and tectonic movements affect the sea floor level.
Sea level= co2 levels*constant+sea floor*different constant+other factors multiplied by other constants i will skip over for brevity's sake.
Co2 and sea floor levels are variables. Either one or both could be moving. Currently it's the co2 doing the moving.
 
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No, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were affecting global temperatures and global sea levels, but that isn't the only factor in either of those. It a vast oversimplication to say
Sea Level=CO2 levels*constant.
For starters, the sea floor level affects the sea level. Normal geological forces, like erosion and tectonic movements affect the sea floor level.
Sea level= co2 levels*constant+sea floor*different constant+other factors multiplied by other constants i will skip over for brevity's sake.
Co2 and sea floor levels are variables. Either one or both could be moving. Currently it's the co2 doing the moving.
Wow, so sea level floors have stopped moving. Let me guess... they stopped moving right around the time the internal combustion engine was developed?
 

Arkady

President
So is there any weather event, or series of weather events, that would disprove climate change?
Certainly. That's the nature of a scientifically-derived belief (as opposed to the denialist quasi-religious faith): it depends on real-world events for support, and thus can theoretically be disrupted by real world events.

If we had a series of weather events strong enough and widespread enough that we got significant global cooling over the course of a decade (e.g., the next ten years being cooler, on average, than the last ten), that would suggest that the mainstream science around climate change was badly flawed, and would require it to be abandoned or overhauled in a big way. A couple such decades in a row would be enough to completely demolish the theory.

In the same way, if the 1960s had been cooler than the 1950s, or the 70s cooler than the 60s, or the 80s cooler than the 70s, or the 90s cooler than the 80s, etc,. that would have been very disruptive to the consensus.

So far, obviously, that kind of decade-long cooling hasn't been an issue for a long time. In fact, there's only been one decade out of the past ten that wasn't warmer than the one before (the 1950s were cooler than the 1940s, thanks to a six-year run of unusually cold years directly following WWII, when global industrial production took a hit). That's part of why the consensus has been strengthening: the mainstream scientists went way out on a limb with a bold prediction of ongoing warming, and then it showed up.... and continues to show up, with the period from 2011-present having been much warmer, on average, then 2001-2010.

So, let's flip that question of yours around. Is there any weather event, or series of weather events, that would prove climate change, for you? If this clear pattern of dramatic century-long warming didn't do it, what would?
 

Bernard_Fokke

Captain Fokke
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No, CO2 levels in the atmosphere were affecting global temperatures and global sea levels, but that isn't the only factor in either of those. It a vast oversimplication to say
Sea Level=CO2 levels*constant.
For starters, the sea floor level affects the sea level. Normal geological forces, like erosion and tectonic movements affect the sea floor level.
Sea level= co2 levels*constant+sea floor*different constant+other factors multiplied by other constants i will skip over for brevity's sake.
Co2 and sea floor levels are variables. Either one or both could be moving. Currently it's the co2 doing the moving.
So the sea level is highest near the shore where it's shallow right?
When did water quit leveling due to gravity.
If anything is higher it's you, that's some great stuff you are hitting on.
 

EatTheRich

President
Specifically, why are these wars in part attributed to climate change?
Droughts ... thought to be caused or exacerbated by global warming ... lead to fights over water and food, and to rural refugees crowding cities, straining their infrastructures, coming into cultural conflict with city dwellers, and creating the critical mass to launch rebellions.
 
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Droughts ... thought to be caused
or exacerbated by global warming ... lead to fights over water and food, and to rural refugees crowding cities, straining their infrastructures, coming into cultural conflict with city dwellers, and creating the critical mass to launch rebellions.
Wow, where did this happen? Lemme guess... in places where they've been fighting for years already, right?
 
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Yes, if only it stopped here it would almost (not quite because of the superstores and increasing epidemics) be a net positive.
No, we don't want it to stop here. More global warming will mean more land can be farmed, food grown and the poor fed. You DO care about the poor, don't you?
 

EatTheRich

President
No, we don't want it to stop here. More global warming will mean more land can be farmed, food grown and the poor fed. You DO care about the poor, don't you?
Agronomists say otherwise ... they say crop food production peaks at about 2*C above mid-20th century average levels (we're at 1* now and will overshoot 2* even with Paris Accords goals met and declines sharply with additional warming. And nutritional quality of food starts to decline in a hot, high-CO2 world.
 

EatTheRich

President
What about tectonic plate movement?
My understanding is that that generally occurs over millions of years. Not single years. Now I understand that there are earthquakes in which plates can move several inches in a few seconds. But doubtful that would cause permanent sea level rise except by causing ice masses to shear off.
 
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Agronomists say otherwise ... they say crop food production peaks at about 2*C above mid-20th century average levels (we're at 1* now and will overshoot 2* even with Paris Accords goals met and declines sharply with additional warming. And nutritional quality of food starts to decline in a hot, high-CO2 world.
Which agronomists are these? The ones pushing to feed at the trough for more bucks to study the issue, right? C'mon, admit the truth. Just this once. I won't tell anyone. I promise.
 
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