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Ratification Dupery

Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by Flanders, Apr 10, 2015.

  1. Flanders

    Flanders Council Member

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    Reforming the tax code is pure fecal matter:

    That is at the root of a proposal to sunset the current tax code on Dec. 31, 2019. Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., has introduced the Tax Code Termination Act (HR 27), which would do exactly that.

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    “We must force Congress to tackle tax reform head on. The best way forward is to scrap the current tax code and start fresh. This legislation would allow us, as a nation, to collectively decide what the new tax system should look like. There are many competing alternatives, but having a set date to end the current tax code will force the issue and the debate to the top of the national agenda.”

    Start From Scratch on Taxes? Why There’s a Bipartisan Push to Sunset the Tax Code
    Kevin Mooney / April 09, 2015

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/09/s...res-a-bipartisan-push-to-sunset-the-tax-code/

    The American people will never be better off until the income tax is repealed. Replacing the current tax code with a flat tax, a VAT (Value-added tax), or every other tinker tool they talk about leaves the parasite class intact.

    Reforming the tax code is a waste of time when the talk begins by NOT separating federal tax revenues required for necessary government from the demands of the parasite class. Then-Rep. Ron Paul touched on the problem:


    For people who dislike taxes, the only thing better than an ultra-low flat tax is the notion of no tax at all. That is the goal behind former U.S. Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-TX) position. The leader of the libertarian wing in the Republican Party feels that the income tax, in particular, is a problem:​

    “I want to abolish the income tax, but I don’t want to replace it with anything. About 45 percent of all federal revenue comes from the personal income tax. That means that about 55 percent — over half of all revenue — comes from other sources, like excise taxes, fees, and corporate taxes. We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s.”​

    History may be on Paul’s side. Framing the argument that taxes restrict liberty, one would search for a part of the Constitution to reinforce their position. In this case, they would strike down the Sixteenth Amendment, which solidified the income tax after much debate.

    Proponents of this stance point to the unconstitutionality behind the Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act of 1894. This income revenue act was the first to levy a peacetime tax on income — the original breakdown was 2 percent over $4,000. This was to make up the revenue lost by reducing tariffs, one of the same tools Paul would use to fund the government in lieu of income taxes.

    The following year, the Supreme Court ruled that the act was unconstitutional in Pollock v. Farmers Loan Trust Co. The Sixteenth Amendment was adopted 18 years later in 1913, making taxes a constitutional right of the federal government.

    4 Tax Reform Proposals to Simplify the Tax Code
    By Brandon Fallon

    http://ivn.us/2014/04/15/4-tax-reform-proposals-simplify-tax-code/

    Incidentally, there is ample evidence to support this:

    HOW SOME STATES DID NOT LEGALLY RATIFY THE 16TH AMENDMENT

    http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm

    It only took 19 years between the unconstitutional Wilson-Gorman Tariff Act of 1894 before IMPLEMENTING the XVI Amendment in 1913. It is going to take a helluva lot longer than 19 years to drive the parasites away from the public trough.

    Believe what you will about ratification dupery, but it is impossible to deny that today’s lying scum entrenched in the federal government employ the same tricks implementing unconstitutional laws they shove down the public’s throat.

    More than every other adjustment progressive hustlers make to accommodate their ‘economic’ agenda, the XVI Amendment transformed the Constitution into a Government Bill of Rights. On top of it all, the original Bill of Rights is gradually being suffocated by the government’s Bill of Rights.

    NOTE: The XVII Amendment was never ratified either. That one IMPLEMENTED long-serving traitors in the US Senate.

    Examination shows that “About 45 percent of all federal revenue . . .” is collected to feed the parasite class. Whether it be 45% —— or 1% —— a tax on income is exactly why every debate should begin and end with one premise: THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT ENGAGE IN CHARITY. Indeed, when did Harry Reid decide that a tax on income should VOLUNTARILY fund coerced charity?



    NOTE: Tax revenues pay for the United Nations, all of its agencies, and foreign aid. Logically, repealing the XVI Amendment would eliminate membership in the United Nations. Hell, United Nations parasites even demand tax dollars.

    As I’ve said a thousand times, any talk about an economic solution to the nation’s problems is a waste of time if you’re not going to repeal the XVI Amendment —— THE TAX ON INCOME. All of the babbling about creating jobs, stimulating growth, reducing the deficit, and the biggest scam of all “economic equality” amounts to nothing more than useful idiots spreading government propaganda.

    The flat tax crowd have been at for a longtime. Those who advocate a flat tax are the worst of the lot; they come out of the woodwork every time reforming the tax code pops up.

    Seventeen percent is a their favorite floor. Does anyone really believe that Congress will NOT raise that 17% to 50% or more before the ink is dry on the legislation? Does anyone really believe that Congress will pass a law against raising the ceiling? Even if Congress built protection into legislation there is a good chance a president will raise the ceiling by executive order.

    A flat tax does not deal with any of the evils inherent in a tax on income. I’m pretty sure that “generous deductions” under a flat tax includes charitable deductions, without getting the government out of the coerced charity business which happens to be the greatest source of evil done by a tax on income.

    Finally, I’ve yet to hear a flat-taxer like Steve Forbes say abolish the tax writeoff for advertising; a tax that is passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices for everything.


    3/07/2014 @ 9:00AM
    Steve Forbes Forbes Staff
    “With all thy getting, get understanding."
    The Tax Code: Make It Flat

    If Republicans and pro-growth Democrats had their wits about them, they would push the flat tax.

    The need for a simple flat tax was underscored recently by the comprehensive tax reform plan released by the outgoing chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee, Dave Camp (R–Mich.). The chairman decided to work with the existing tax code and has attempted to change this monster into something that encourages more economic growth. He deserves all the plaudits possible for his heroic effort.

    THE GOOD, THE BAD …

    Under Camp’s plan tax rates for individuals and corporations would be reduced; the hideous alternative minimum tax would be abolished; a lot of deductions would be swept away, phased out or modified; and the number of individual tax brackets would be reduced from seven to three. An estimated 95% of tax filers would be able to use the standard deduction form instead of having to itemize deductions. Much simpler!

    There are, however, flaws, especially regarding capital gains and dividends, where the federal tax burden—already far too high—goes up a tad.

    … AND THE REALLY UGLY

    But what you really need to know is that Camp’s impressive effort to simplify the tax code runs almost 1,000 pages. Lobbyists and trade associations are already lining up to amend the proposal. And given its complexity, this bill is ripe for mischief. One of all too many examples: S corps and limited liability companies, whose profits are passed through to their owners as personal income. Under Camp’s plan this income would be declared “production” income, with tax rates capped at 25%. These owners would thus be taxed at the same rate as regular corporations (cut to 25% in the bill) and would not be subject to the 35% personal income tax rate. Tax lawyers and Congress will have a field day defining what qualifies as production income, which would thus be subject to the lower tax rate.

    Camp’s bill doesn’t go as far in simplifying things as the last effort in 1986, when countless tax shelters were eliminated, the number of brackets was knocked down to two, and the top rate was whacked from 50% to 28%, the lowest since the days of Calvin Coolidge.

    PUT THE BEAST OUT OF ITS MISERY

    The federal tax code is beyond redemption. We should kill it and institute a flat tax. My flat-tax proposal calls for a 17% tax rate for all, with generous deductions for individuals and families ( a family of four would owe no federal income tax on their first $46,000). And that’s it—no tax on savings and no death tax. The federal corporate tax rate would be dropped to 17%, and capital investments would be expensed immediately. There are other worthy variations of the flat tax.

    Let’s not repeat the mistake of 1986 and pass a reform bill that runs hundreds of pages. Junk the federal income tax code and start over!​

     
  2. Flanders

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    It was then-Speaker of the House Denny Hastert who said the public would save 2 billion dollars a year in fees paid to tax preparers simply by abolishing the IRS. In 2003, H & R Block alone took in 1.9 billion dollars in fees. God only knows how much the entire industry rakes in today.

    Have you heard anybody say they want to eliminate the INCOME TAX RETURN under any system they happen to advocate. Filing a tax return is a trusted method of colleting taxes. No tax code reform will put several million tax preparers on the unemployment rolls. They are the Cadillacs of the parasite class who take down a nice year’s income for three months work. And that’s not counting the schools paid tax dollars to train tax preparers.

    Incidentally, 1986 was the last time the tax code was reformed. The joke is that the “reformed tax code” was written by parasites —— exactly like the insurance industry reformed healthcare.


    A Lot Has Changed in the 27 Years Since the Last Major Tax Reform
    October 22, 2013
    By Andrew Lundeen

    http://taxfoundation.org/blog/lot-has-changed-27-years-last-major-tax-reform

    Working Americans have been getting the shaft for 29 years. Incomes went down standard of living decreased, unemployment is higher than 10 percent irrespective of what government is saying. Throughout those 29 years parasites absorbed more of the nation’s wealth. Now the parasites are back for more.

    NOTE: I want to point out that bipartisanship, and reform, are words that become weapons of mass destruction in the hands of parasites. Repeal the XVI Amendment. That is the only way there is to disarm the pack of liars getting set to reform the tax code again.

    And exactly why in hell should Americans listen to an expert on international taxes? The only international tax I am aware of is the one the experts have been trying to levy through United Nations treaties.


    Curtis S. Dubay, a leading expert on tax reform, income tax, corporate tax, international taxes, and the estate tax, is a research fellow in tax and economic policy at The Heritage Foundation.

    Congress Can Raise Your Income 10 Percent By Updating the Tax Code
    Curtis Dubay / April 10, 2015

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/10/c...r-income-10-percent-by-updating-the-tax-code/

    Bottom line: The only expert who can be trusted is the guy who says “Repeal the XVI Amendment.”
     
  3. Flanders

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    I still will not waste a fig on the presidential race, but at this point in time Carly Fiorina looks a lot better to me than does media choices Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio:

    Can you ever remember a single ‘reg’ ever being appealed?

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    Her bottom line on the tax code? “Simple, simple, simple. … You can’t have a 26,000-page tax code.”

    Carly Fiorina’s Simple Solution for America’s Complex Tax Code
    David Brody April 17, 2015

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/17/carly-fiorinas-simple-solution-for-americas-complex-tax-code/

    I just wish Fiorina —— or somebody —— would explain why it takes 26,000 pages to enforce 30 words:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.​

    Simple, simple, simple. Repeal the XVI Amendment and you erase 26,000 pages of regulations.
     
  4. Fast Eddy

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    I don't trust them to not put all the loopholes back in, so I'm not sure it will work. We have a spending problem not a tax problem. To me it makes more sense to just have a sales tax with zero paperwork at the end of the year.
     

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