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Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Bruce

Council Member
Red States Are Welfare Queens
Benzinga|August 18, 2011|0|0

Flip to any news channel in the past three years, and you can almost be certain to see any number of Republican governors, blustering about how Washington spends too much money and how they'd never spend that much money if they were President. It's a lot of tough talk, really. But is there any truth to it?

Well, all of this tough budget talk from Republicans got me thinking about the central: who really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers.

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

•New Mexico: $2.03
•Mississippi: $2.02
•Alaska: $1.84
•Louisiana: $1.78
•West Virginia: $1.76
•North Dakota: $1.68
•Alabama: $1.66
•South Dakota: $1.53
•Kentucky: $1.51
•Virginia: $1.51
•Montana: $1.47
•Hawaii: $1.44
•Maine: $1.41
•Arkansas: $1.41
•Oklahoma: $1.36
•South Carolina: $1.35
•Missouri: $1.32
•Maryland: $1.30
•Tennessee: $1.27
•Idaho: $1.21
Does anyone else notice the overwhelming presence of northern "rugged individualist" states, like Alaska, the Dakotas and Montana, along with most of the South? Why it's almost like there's a pattern here or something.

Where can we find liberal bastions California, New York, and Massachusetts? California is 43rd, getting back only $0.78 for every dollar it sends to Washington. New York is 42nd, and one penny better off, at $0.79 per dollar. Massachusetts is 40th, receiving $0.82 for every dollar it sends to DC.

Go ahead and bookmark this article. The next time some smarmy teabagger tries to tell you it's liberals who are ruining the country and spending us into oblivion, kindly point them to the evidence that shows it is GOP states, not Democrat states, who are Welfare Queens. It is GOP states who spend more than they collect in taxes. It is GOP states who are out of balance, nationally.

See if they still want to cut off funding when it means no more socialism for slave states.



Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-08-18/politics/30039546_1_blue-states-federal-taxes-red-states#ixzz1nY5evunm
 

fairsheet

Senator
Bruce, for years now, some of the bluer persuasion have been arguing that "there oughta be a law"! And, as I'm of the bluer persuasion myself, I've heard them....even as I've argued against any sort of overt attempt at state-to-state federal tax equalization.

But...the redkooks are inexorably rendering the whole question moot. For who's "leading the charge" for lower federal spending? Is it not the redkooks from their redstate places? In the past, the redsters have been able to screech their silliness from behind the skirts of the blues, knowing godamn well that the blues would continue sendinf them their dollars, whether the redsters "liked it or not".

But now...the way the politic is finally falling out...it seems that it's in EVERY one's interest to just give the redsters exactly what they've been shouting for for all these years - lower federal spending. And...now, the red states are gonna have to shit (raise their state and local taxes), or get off their putrid pots.
 

Bruce

Council Member
Bruce, for years now, some of the bluer persuasion have been arguing that "there oughta be a law"! And, as I'm of the bluer persuasion myself, I've heard them....even as I've argued against any sort of overt attempt at state-to-state federal tax equalization.

But...the redkooks are inexorably rendering the whole question moot. For who's "leading the charge" for lower federal spending? Is it not the redkooks from their redstate places? In the past, the redsters have been able to screech their silliness from behind the skirts of the blues, knowing godamn well that the blues would continue sendinf them their dollars, whether the redsters "liked it or not".

But now...the way the politic is finally falling out...it seems that it's in EVERY one's interest to just give the redsters exactly what they've been shouting for for all these years - lower federal spending. And...now, the red states are gonna have to shit (raise their state and local taxes), or get off their putrid pots.
While I still consider the reds my fellow americans and I appreciate their contributions to society albeit in a sometimes different culture or mindset than mine, I question their arrogance in dictating how another fellow american should live as long as it is within the law.
After looking at the crime stat's and comparing city's within the nation to L.A. California I find that the bible belt or corn belt cities seem to rank higher in crime than a major metropolitan city such as LA.
Los Angeles crime rates Population
3,792,621

Los Angeles Crime Data Los Angeles Annual Crimes

VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
21,757 91,792 113,549
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
5.74 24.20 29.94
CRIME INDEX
26
100 is safest
This city is safer than 26% of the cities in the US.

Oklahoma City crime rates Population
579,999

Oklahoma City Crime Data Oklahoma City Annual Crimes

VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
5,312 33,499 38,811
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
9.16 57.76 66.92
CRIME INDEX
3
100 is safest
This city is safer than 3% of the cities in the US.

Casper Wyoming
Casper crime rates Population
55,316

Casper Wyoming
VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
108 2,405 2,513
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
1.95 43.48 45.43
CRIME INDEX
11
100 is safest
This city is safer than 11% of the cities in the US.

Lincoln crime rates Population
258,379

DataDescriptionFind a RealtorLincoln Crime Data Lincoln Annual Crimes

VIOLENT PROPERTY TOTAL
1,265 10,521 11,786
annual crimes per 1,000 residents
4.90 40.72 45.62
CRIME INDEX
11
100 is safest
This city is safer than 11% of the cities

Seems like they need to do a lot more teaching and a lot less preaching!
 

Corruptbuddha

Governor
Well, lets take a look shall we?

Lower population skews the data.

Miles of federal highways does as well.

Not to mention railroad land grants...etc...etc.

Add to the the sheer number of 'generational' poor...and you have the chart you present.

This has far more to do with government land grabs and transportation than it does 'conservative economic policies'.
 

Bruce

Council Member
Well, lets take a look shall we?

Lower population skews the data.

Miles of federal highways does as well.

Not to mention railroad land grants...etc...etc.

Add to the the sheer number of 'generational' poor...and you have the chart you present.

This has far more to do with government land grabs and transportation than it does 'conservative economic policies'.
.Scottsdale getting ready to use $14.1 million in stimulus funds
The Arizona Republic
.The first wave of projects in Scottsdale funded by federal stimulus dollars will start coming to life in a few months.

For the past 10 months, Scottsdale has applied for grants and other funds through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

"The next phase is just to get the projects up and under way and get them done as quickly as possible," said Brad Lundahl, Scottsdale's acting government relations director.

The first projects include a pedestrian path for the Goldwater Boulevard underpass in downtown Scottsdale and improving access at Eldorado Ballpark for people with disabilities.

Since the recovery act was signed into law, Scottsdale has received more than $14.1 million in federal stimulus dollars.

The city has received money for transportation, energy efficiency and neighborhood improvement.

Scottsdale's share of stimulus money has allowed the city to get a head start on capital-improvement projects already on the books or kept projects from being delayed because of revenue shortfalls, Lundahl said.

President Barack Obama signed the recovery act into law in February. The idea was to disseminate $800 billion in federal dollars to jump-start the national economy and create jobs.

In February, the White House estimated that the Recovery and Reinvestment Act would save or create 3.5 million jobs nationwide over two years.

It's still unclear how stimulus money will impact jobs in Scottsdale.

Lundahl said the city is waiting for projects to go out for bid and be assigned to contractors before counting jobs in order to have a "more accurate reflection of a real-life situation."

Three of Scottsdale's stimulus requests, worth more than $11 million, have been rejected.

One was a $9 million request to the Department of Homeland Security that the city would have used toward construction of two fire stations, one at Miller and Granada roads and another at Cactus Road and 96th Street.

The city also was rejected for two other requests worth almost $2 million that would have allowed for the purchase of 21 natural-gas-powered garbage trucks and alternative-fuel vehicles.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/10/20091210sr-stimulus1210.html#ixzz1nchOVuaX
 

DefeatObama

Council Member
I love this jive.... pops up every time the statists start to feel like they're being effectively outed.

I'm all for an Atlas Shrugging of society and you leeches having to endure your ideology. One day my Montana solitary existence will be a reality... 'till then I have to tolerate you all.

do you suppose that red and blue states are comprised of only red voters and blue voters? so nice straw man.

and your example of 'success' is CA.. ??? you can have it.

your other utopia, the people's republic of MA is indeed quite the success story:

"The telephone survey of 838 doctors conducted in February and March found that 51 percent of internists are not accepting new patients, up from 49 percent the previous year. Fifty-three percent of family physicians, the other major group of primary care doctors, were also not taking new patients.

Even for patients fortunate enough to have a primary care doctor, waits for appointments continued to be lengthy. The average wait for an appointment with an internist was 48 days, which was five days shorter than last year, but the average wait for family medicine was 36 days, a week longer than in the 2010 survey.

Patients were also waiting longer to see specialists. The average wait for gastroenterologists, obstetricians/gynecologists, orthopedic surgeons and cardiologists were all higher than a year ago, the report said."
http://www.wbur.org/2011/05/09/doctors-survey

"Liberty Mutual CEO says taxes too high

Mass.-ively expensive"
http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20100312liberty_mutual_ceo_says_taxes_too_high_mass-ively_expensive

"Almost certainly, this will mean reductions in research and development. As the maxim goes: If you want less of something, tax it. If you want more of something, subsidize it. By taxing medical devices, Obamacare has probably postponed the day my 17-year-old Type I diabetic son is most looking forward to — the invention and marketing of an artificial pancreas."
http://www.creators.com/opinion/mona-charen/obamacare-hits-the-most-vulnerable.html

"Illegal immigrants cost Massachusetts taxpayers $38 million a year under RomneyCare, is this to be expected under ObamaCare?"
http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/10/27/illegal-immigrants-cost-massachusetts-taxpayers-38-million-a-year-under-romneycare-is-this-to-be-expected-under-obamacare/
 

Bruce

Council Member
Well, lets take a look shall we?

Lower population skews the data.

Miles of federal highways does as well.

Not to mention railroad land grants...etc...etc.

Add to the the sheer number of 'generational' poor...and you have the chart you present.

This has far more to do with government land grabs and transportation than it does 'conservative economic policies'.
So you're from Scotsdale?

Scottsdale turns down stimulus funds
84 commentsby Lynh Bui - Apr. 23, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
.

While most Valley cities and towns have been lining up to grab their share of federal stimulus dollars, Scottsdale is taking a pass.

The Scottsdale City Council voted this week to turn down more than $224,000 in federal stimulus funds earmarked for public-safety improvements.

Fiscally conservative members of the City Council worried that accepting the money would create overhead that would burden future city budgets. They also were concerned that the city would be accepting the money just for the sake of spending it.
Since President Barack Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act rolled out, some Scottsdale officials have made it clear they wouldn't take any stimulus dollars if it would add to the government or if it wouldn't boost the economy as the law intended.

Scottsdale is one of the first Valley cities to turn down stimulus funding.

Maricopa County received more than $10.5 million in money set aside for aiding law enforcement to divide among 16 cities and towns. Scottsdale's share came out to about $234,000.

The city considered three projects with the grant money:


��A $227,000 mobile police surveillance tower to help with crowd control during special events.


��A $9,500 auto-dialer that would call defendants about court dates and fines.


��$100,000 for a court enforcement employee, who would help collect $26 million in unpaid fines court defendants owe the city and the state.

A divided council voted to approve only the auto-dialer. The balance that Scottsdale rejected will go back to the county, which will decide how to divide it among 15 other cities.

Mayor Jim Lane and Councilman Bob Littlefield said it seemed like the city was only suggesting these projects because federal stimulus money was available.

"Is this something we would be doing if they weren't handing out 'hope and change' money?" asked Councilman Bob Littlefield while alluding to President Obama's campaign themes.

Scottsdale Police Chief Alan Rodbell said the mobile tower was something he planned to purchase using the city's capital improvement budget.

Scottsdale projects a $65 million gross budget deficit for the coming fiscal year. The city also has proposed 2 percent across-the-board pay cuts and redeploying or laying off 25 employees.
This is the first time Scottsdale has turn down stimulus funding. The city has received more than $14 million from other grants and funding packages.

While his colleagues debated the philosophical reasons for not accepting the money, Councilman Wayne Ecton wanted to take all of it.

"The money is there and if we don't spend it, somebody else is going to," Ecton said.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/04/23/20090423stim-scottsdale0423.html#ixzz1nclXtlVl
 

Bruce

Council Member
Well, lets take a look shall we?

Lower population skews the data.

Miles of federal highways does as well.

Not to mention railroad land grants...etc...etc.

Add to the the sheer number of 'generational' poor...and you have the chart you present.

This has far more to do with government land grabs and transportation than it does 'conservative economic policies'.
With a full career and two elections under his belt, Scottsdale City Councilman Wayne Ecton considers himself seasoned enough to grasp the ins and outs of Scottsdale City Hall.

Eight years ago, Ecton campaigned for a seat on the City Council and scored the most votes of six candidates. He was re-elected and began his second term in 2006.


This time around, the 72-year-old former financial executive says, "I'm not sure what I would do if I didn't run."

He acknowledged that the seven-way race for three council seats has been more heated.

"I'm hoping we can elect a new set of council people who have a different drive and philosophies," Ecton said.

Ecton began working at age 8 at his father's bakery. After graduating from Kentucky Wesleyan College, Ecton went to work for the aluminum company Alcoa, becoming a top executive. He remained there for 35 years.

In 1996, Ecton and his wife, Martha, a former corporate librarian, decided to move to Scottsdale.

A former Coalition of Pinnacle Peak board member, Ecton was thrust onto the local scene when Home Depot wanted to build a store in far north Scottsdale. He served on the citizens budget committee and big-box ideas team, which helped the city develop an ordinance to regulate big-box retailers.

During his tenure, Ecton was a supporter of the deal for SkySong, the ASU Scottsdale Innovation Center, and public transportation.

Ecton said he supports the city veering from the "right" side of politics and taking a hard look at certain challenges before jumping in, including a proposed increase in health-insurance premiums for city retirees.

Scottsdale is facing a $28.4 million deficit in 2011-12, which means the city "can't afford all of the things we want right now and should only invest in the things we need," Ecton said.

He supports developing a long-term economic plan. "In my mind, we need a plan that's a coordinated citywide effort which expands our economic base and creates more jobs."He is endorsed by the Scottsdale Area Chamber of Commerce, the Police Officers of Scottsdale Association and the Sierra Club.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2010/10/12/20101012scottsdale-city-council-candidate-wayne-ecton.html#ixzz1ncoS07xU
 

Bruce

Council Member
I love this jive.... pops up every time the statists start to feel like they're being effectively outed.

I'm all for an Atlas Shrugging of society and you leeches having to endure your ideology. One day my Montana solitary existence will be a reality... 'till then I have to tolerate you all.

do you suppose that red and blue states are comprised of only red voters and blue voters? so nice straw man.

and your example of 'success' is CA.. ??? you can have it.

your other utopia, the people's republic of MA is indeed quite the success story:

"The telephone survey of 838 doctors conducted in February and March found that 51 percent of internists are not accepting new patients, up from 49 percent the previous year. Fifty-three percent of family physicians, the other major group of primary care doctors, were also not taking new patients.

Even for patients fortunate enough to have a primary care doctor, waits for appointments continued to be lengthy. The average wait for an appointment with an internist was 48 days, which was five days shorter than last year, but the average wait for family medicine was 36 days, a week longer than in the 2010 survey.

Patients were also waiting longer to see specialists. The average wait for gastroenterologists, obstetricians/gynecologists, orthopedic surgeons and cardiologists were all higher than a year ago, the report said."
http://www.wbur.org/2011/05/09/doctors-survey

"Liberty Mutual CEO says taxes too high

Mass.-ively expensive"
http://bostonherald.com/business/general/view/20100312liberty_mutual_ceo_says_taxes_too_high_mass-ively_expensive

"Almost certainly, this will mean reductions in research and development. As the maxim goes: If you want less of something, tax it. If you want more of something, subsidize it. By taxing medical devices, Obamacare has probably postponed the day my 17-year-old Type I diabetic son is most looking forward to — the invention and marketing of an artificial pancreas."
http://www.creators.com/opinion/mona-charen/obamacare-hits-the-most-vulnerable.html

"Illegal immigrants cost Massachusetts taxpayers $38 million a year under RomneyCare, is this to be expected under ObamaCare?"
http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/10/27/illegal-immigrants-cost-massachusetts-taxpayers-38-million-a-year-under-romneycare-is-this-to-be-expected-under-obamacare/
Here's the link for Montana Medicaid app.DPHHS-HCS-250 STATE OF MONTANA
(Rev07/09) Department of Public Health and Human Services
If you need assistance completing this application, please ask an Office of Public
Assistance staff member.
COMPLETION INSTRUCTIONS:
The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) offers several programs to help you.
Use this application to apply for:
 Medicaid
 Medicare Savings Programs
 Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits
 Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) cash assistance
 Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA), Refugee Medical Assistance
http://www.dphhs.mt.gov/publicassistance/hcs250.pdf
 

DefeatObama

Council Member
Here's the link for Montana Medicaid app.DPHHS-HCS-250 STATE OF MONTANA
(Rev07/09) Department of Public Health and Human Services
If you need assistance completing this application, please ask an Office of Public
Assistance staff member.
COMPLETION INSTRUCTIONS:
The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) offers several programs to help you.
Use this application to apply for:
 Medicaid
 Medicare Savings Programs
 Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits
 Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) cash assistance
 Refugee Cash Assistance (RCA), Refugee Medical Assistance
http://www.dphhs.mt.gov/publicassistance/hcs250.pdf
you statists are handy when figuring out how to bilk the taxpayer ... well done
 

Bruce

Council Member
Damned facts get's em everytime!

Scottsdale projects a $65 million gross budget deficit for the coming fiscal year. The city also has proposed 2 percent across-the-board pay cuts and redeploying or laying off 25 employees.
This is the first time Scottsdale has turn down stimulus funding. The city has received more than $14 million from other grants and funding packages.
While his colleagues debated the philosophical reasons for not accepting the money, Councilman Wayne Ecton wanted to take all of it.

"The money is there and if we don't spend it, somebody else is going to," Ecton said.
 
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