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Reparations for slavery?

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Not since 1965. Cuba also faced an existential threat. The Japanese were imprisoned only so their wealth could be taken.
The Japs were placed in interim camps for fear of sabotage.
Cuba remains the only country in Latin America that represses virtually all forms of political dissent. In 2011 Raúl Castro’s government continued to enforce political conformity using short-term detentions, beatings, public acts of repudiation, forced exile, and travel restrictions.

In 2011 the Cuban government freed the remaining 12 political prisoners from the “group of 75” dissidents—human rights defenders, journalists, and labor leaders who were sentenced in 2003 in summary trials for exercising their basic rights—having forced most into exile in exchange for their freedom. Also in 2011 the government sentenced at least seven more dissidents to prison for exercising their fundamental rights, and human rights groups on the island said dozens more remain in prison.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2012/country-chapters/cuba
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Not true. The white men who went into the interior died from disease and violence so that predominantly they stayed on the coast. The Africans learned slaving from each other and the Arabs and found more customers for their trade when the Portuguese showed up.


No, it isn't.
I'd advise you to read up on history more. What you say about the slave traders is not true. Let me look around a bit and I'll find a few books you can read OK?
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Yeah, me too.



Well, much of the wealth they directly provided went up in smoke in the Civil War. Also, the loss of human life as a consequence of the Civil War was economically stunting. So the those ACTUALLY guilty of slavery paid in blood and treasure a penalty. But given that and the fact that $22 Trillion to date that has been spent on the "War on Poverty" seems to argue that the changing norm regarding slavery brought by Western civilization to the entire world is a payment in itself too.

I'd also say nobody is saying black Americans should leave the U.S., or be forced to, so the humane reference you make is out of place. Rather, the thought is shared to offer black Americans that they should consider if their unhappiness outweighs their gain in remaining in their country of birth. Maybe gratitude to the Fates is in order.
1) The slaves themselves did not start the Civil War. So it's not their fault that the wealth went up in smoke. Their unpaid labor helped create the wealth---what happened after that was out of their control.
2) The money provided for the War on Poverty has been used to help Black, White and Hispanic people. Blacks aren't the only poor folks in America. Even so, it still isn't payment. If Blacks would've had a level playing field they probably would not have needed any special assistance.
3) I knew you weren't really saying Blacks should return to Africa. You were just resorting to a knee jerk phrase that biased people sometimes use. It's OK.:)
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Resident Evil, have you ever read "Roots" by Alex Haley? The beginning of that book explains how Kunta Kente, was kidnapped from Africa. That is how the slave traders got most of their cargo. The percentage who were sold by rival chiefs was small.
 

EatTheRich

President
The Japs were placed in interim camps for fear of sabotage.
Cuba remains the only country in Latin America that represses virtually all forms of political dissent. In 2011 Raúl Castro’s government continued to enforce political conformity using short-term detentions, beatings, public acts of repudiation, forced exile, and travel restrictions.

In 2011 the Cuban government freed the remaining 12 political prisoners from the “group of 75” dissidents—human rights defenders, journalists, and labor leaders who were sentenced in 2003 in summary trials for exercising their basic rights—having forced most into exile in exchange for their freedom. Also in 2011 the government sentenced at least seven more dissidents to prison for exercising their fundamental rights, and human rights groups on the island said dozens more remain in prison.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2012/country-chapters/cuba
Human Rights Watch is a renamed version of Helsinki Watch, a group started specifically to criticize communism. "Short-term detentions" = putting known CIA agents in jail overnight so they can't commit acts of sabotage. "Public acts of repudiation" = ordinary citizens disapproving of people with evil agendas. "Forced exile" =for whom? "Beatings" =since when? Travel restrictions=not letting terrorists roam freely.

There is not a fundamental right to spy for a foreign empire.
 

EatTheRich

President
Resident Evil, have you ever read "Roots" by Alex Haley? The beginning of that book explains how Kunta Kente, was kidnapped from Africa. That is how the slave traders got most of their cargo. The percentage who were sold by rival chiefs was small.
Iirc, Kunta Kinte was kidnapped by Black men before being sold to the Americans. I don't think the book says, but he was Mandinka and Muslim so those who captured him might have been Wolof. I think RE is right that most of those sold into slavery were sold by Africans ... from what I've read it was only on the Angola coast and in Central Africa where Europeans engaged in kidnapping extensively and most of the Africans captured there were sent to Brazil or employed as slaves locally. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was a big part of the economy for a number of African polities including in particular Whydah, Calabar, and Bonny on the "Slave Coast"; the Fulani Jihad states of the Western savanna; the kingdom of Kongo in SW. Africa; and many city-states such as Banana Island on the Rice Coast.
 
1) The slaves themselves did not start the Civil War. So it's not their fault that the wealth went up in smoke. Their unpaid labor helped create the wealth---what happened after that was out of their control.
You can say that for the majority of humanity since most ancestors slaves and serfs.

2) The money provided for the War on Poverty has been used to help Black, White and Hispanic people. Blacks aren't the only poor folks in America. Even so, it still isn't payment. If Blacks would've had a level playing field they probably would not have needed any special assistance.
Most certainly true but poor whites come from virtually the same place blacks have come from. There have been white share croppers and white workers tied to company stores. Don't you think they deserve reparations too? But those whites don't get the added benefit of Affirmative Action as a form of reparations.

3) ... . You were just resorting to a knee jerk phrase that biased people sometimes use. It's OK.:)
No, that isn't true. People can migrate to the place on the planet that they feel best suits them and hopefully legally so. America is a place people can not only run to but they can run away from. There are a lot of upset people here who need to know that they have an escape should they choose it.

Peace. :0)
 

EatTheRich

President
You can say that for the majority of humanity since most ancestors slaves and serfs.



Most certainly true but poor whites come from virtually the same place blacks have come from. There have been white share croppers and white workers tied to company stores. Don't you think they deserve reparations too? But those whites don't get the added benefit of Affirmative Action as a form of reparations.



No, that isn't true. People can migrate to the place on the planet that they feel best suits them and hopefully legally so. America is a place people can not only run to but they can run away from. There are a lot of upset people here who need to know that they have an escape should they choose it.

Peace. :0)
Poor whites will never be able to get justice as long as racism is so prevalent. Justice for Black people is the first step toward justice for poor people.
 

Sunset Rose

Mayor
Supporting Member
Iirc, Kunta Kinte was kidnapped by Black men before being sold to the Americans. I don't think the book says, but he was Mandinka and Muslim so those who captured him might have been Wolof. I think RE is right that most of those sold into slavery were sold by Africans ... from what I've read it was only on the Angola coast and in Central Africa where Europeans engaged in kidnapping extensively and most of the Africans captured there were sent to Brazil or employed as slaves locally. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was a big part of the economy for a number of African polities including in particular Whydah, Calabar, and Bonny on the "Slave Coast"; the Fulani Jihad states of the Western savanna; the kingdom of Kongo in SW. Africa; and many city-states such as Banana Island on the Rice Coast.
I was so curious I went and got my copy of "Roots" off the book shelf.:) On page 149 he was out in the forest, by himself, looking for a piece of wood in order to make a drum. All of a sudden 2 African men tried to put him in a large sack after a White man had hit him in the head. They beat him senseless and the next thing he knew he was on a slave ship with lots of other victims.
So, a few of Kunta's own countrymen did assist in his capture. He was a Muslim and a Mandinka according to the book. It didn't mention what tribe the 2 Africans came from.
 
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Constitutional Sheepdog

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Human Rights Watch is a renamed version of Helsinki Watch, a group started specifically to criticize communism. "Short-term detentions" = putting known CIA agents in jail overnight so they can't commit acts of sabotage. "Public acts of repudiation" = ordinary citizens disapproving of people with evil agendas. "Forced exile" =for whom? "Beatings" =since when? Travel restrictions=not letting terrorists roam freely.

There is not a fundamental right to spy for a foreign empire.
http://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/mar/22/raul-castro/are-there-political-prisoners-cuba/
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Constitutional Sheepdog

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From your link:
Ricardo Sendiña was arrested in 2015 for an alleged crime of theft and slaughter of livestock.
This is who they're calling a "political prisoner" when that would get you imprisoned in any country in the world.
There are political prisoners in CUBA
No matter how hard you try to refute it.
 

EatTheRich

President
There are political prisoners in CUBA
No matter how hard you try to refute it.
Interesting that of the four who according to your source were examples of the ones "most in line with the traditional definition of a political prisoner," one was a thief who attacked the country's food supply, one was convicted of smuggling, and all 4 took money from the U.S. government to disrupt Cuba's democracy.
 

Constitutional Sheepdog

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Interesting that of the four who according to your source were examples of the ones "most in line with the traditional definition of a political prisoner," one was a thief who attacked the country's food supply, one was convicted of smuggling, and all 4 took money from the U.S. government to disrupt Cuba's democracy.
Take it up with PolitiFact and if Cuba is a democracy why was the current leader appointed by the dictator?
 
The Africans who sold their own people into slavery done so at the point of a gun. They knew that if they didn't sell their countrymen, it would be they themselves crawling down into the bottom of that slave ship.
Plus, it was a good way to get rid of your tribal enemies. The real question is: Why were the slave traders there in the first place?
To make money, sadly.
 

bdtex

Administrator
Staff member
Why haven't African-Americans ever received reparations for slavery? Many African-Americans believe they should be compensated for the all the unpaid labor, and suffering that their ancestors went thru during American slavery.
Who would they get it from? The CSA is long defunct and has no assets. The only slave state that stayed firmly in the Union was Maryland.
 

EatTheRich

President
Who would they get it from? The CSA is long defunct and has no assets. The only slave state that stayed firmly in the Union was Maryland.
The U.S. government was a slave government too. Not to mention companies that profited from slavery which eventually became Citigroup, Exxon-Mobil, Amoco, Chevron, DuPont ...
 
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