Colorforms
Senator
They do, but that is a completely separate issue as to whether or not the president is obligated to turn over information demanded by the house.
Republicans vote for a cover up on all documents and witnesses.
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Colorforms
Senator
See post 181
Spamature
President
Nixon already tried that an it was shot down by the SCOTUS for that very reason.
The courts have no role other than the one Roberts is filling now by presiding over the trial.
Colorforms
Senator
Ah, you mean the SCOTUS was allowed to make a ruling with Nixon? Surprise surprise.
Spamature
President
Yeah but at that point he was fighting his own DOJ to hide evidence figuring in his upcoming impeachment.Ah, you mean the SCOTUS was allowed to make a ruling with Nixon? Surprise surprise.
Again:
United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that resulted in a unanimous decision against President Richard Nixon, ordering him to deliver tape recordings and other subpoenaed materials to a federal district court. Issued on July 24, 1974, the decision was important to the late stages of the Watergate scandal, when there was an ongoing impeachment process against Richard Nixon. United States v. Nixon is considered a crucial precedent limiting the power of any U.S. president to claim executive privilege.
Chief Justice Warren E. Burger wrote the opinion for a unanimous court, joined by Justices William O. Douglas, William J. Brennan, Potter Stewart, Byron White, Thurgood Marshall, Harry Blackmun and Lewis F. Powell. Burger, Blackmun, and Powell were appointed to the Court by Nixon during his first term. Associate Justice William Rehnquist recused himself as he had previously served in the Nixon administration as an Assistant Attorney General.
Colorforms
Senator
Right? Still has nothing to do with Trump. The SCOTUS still has to rule on his use of executive privilege.
Spamature
President
Why ?
Because Trump isn't a president and this isn't constitutional matter which the SCOTUS is supposed to settle once and for all with their rulings ?
Colorforms
Senator
Because the ruling applied to Nixon. The SCOTUS never barred the use of executive privilege.
Spamature
President
Executive privilege is exactly what they ruled on. Nixon tried to use it to cover up evidence against him and he lost unanimously.
What you are saying is that if poisoning people with your lemonade stand is ruled illegal for you. I can go into court and say well it is only illegal for Colorforms to kill people that way. You didn't rule that I couldn't poison people with my lemonade stand.
Colorforms
Senator
No, Nixon's USE of executive privilege is what they ruled on.
In other words, just because the SCOTUS says you can't poison people with your lemonade, that doesn't mean I don't get to sell lemonade.
Spamature
President
But here your lemonade is poison.
Because just like Nixon, Trump is withholding evidence directly related to the charges against him in an attempt to shield himself from prosecution.
Colorforms
Senator
That is for the SCOTUS to decide, not the house.
What court was being asked to rule on obstruction? The issue is before the senate.The court hasn't ruled if the president obstructed or not. The fascist dems didn't wait for a verdict.
Read the impeachment clause.That is for the SCOTUS to decide, not the house.
Relevant to what? Certainly not Trump's pressure on Ukraine to announce an investigation. Not to Trump's hold on military aid to Ukraine and his failure to inform congress as mandated by the law. Perhaps relevant to Trump's need for help in the 2020 election.
The people relevant to those issues are Mulvaney, Bolton, Esper, Giuliani and Pompeo....
Anyone who thinks as you do is a clown.
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
Why inform Congress if it was delivered 19 days before it was due ?
Delivered Sept 11
Due September 30
Whoops
Colorforms
Senator
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
And?
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
Leftists like to think silly things like Due Process, The Constitution or Going to the Courts is Obstruction LOL
Pelosi put the cart before the horse. Ad now you are left with a pile of s*** in your hands. Enjoy !
Nutty Cortez
Dummy (D) NY
This is the first time in history any president is alleged – has been impeached without the articles alleging any criminal conduct at all, without alleging any federal crime was violated
So Impeachment Clause doesn't apply LOL
