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Russian Meddling is nothing new.....

justoffal

Senator
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/05/russia-has-been-meddling-in-foreign-elections-for-decades-has-it-made-a-difference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4fe5fe828fd

Moscow has been doing this for decades....then again so has China and most recently NK. The most dangerous of these is demonstrably China...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

A few tiny Tariffs against them for these things is not enough IMO. But do we see any media coverage? NO...the media has no interest in national security and they use the words patriot and loyalty to further the cause of espionage and national destruction only....similar to the DNC operatives who spam these boards every day with their pre-chisled political barf-o-rama.

I think the best approach to this entire thing is to illuminate it for what it really is....a huge credibility gap. So much has been exposed on the left since Bernie-burn DNC BS....down through the hacking scandal and the preposterous Collusion theory that the public no longer even has an eye roll left for the stuff coming out of that conglomeration of confusion and falsehood. What few truths may be embedded therein are hopelessly lost in sea of lies and then isolated by a wall of arrogance, condescension and venom.

Trump has played this game very well...despite his buffoonery.....which may in fact be part of the game. He is is a tough as a piece of sun dried elephant skin and as determined as a hungry crocodile. He knows that all he has to do is wait for the left to self destruct.....

Lucy holds the football and Linus will ALWAYS come for the kick..... Lucy will ALWAYS pull it out and Linus will end up on his back EVERY TIME. The left can no more adjust their stance and their ethics than Linus can resist the attempt.

Nuff said.

Landslide 2020...

JO
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/05/russia-has-been-meddling-in-foreign-elections-for-decades-has-it-made-a-difference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4fe5fe828fd

Moscow has been doing this for decades....then again so has China and most recently NK. The most dangerous of these is demonstrably China...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

A few tiny Tariffs against them for these things is not enough IMO. But do we see any media coverage? NO...the media has no interest in national security and they use the words patriot and loyalty to further the cause of espionage and national destruction only....similar to the DNC operatives who spam these boards every day with their pre-chisled political barf-o-rama.

I think the best approach to this entire thing is to illuminate it for what it really is....a huge credibility gap. So much has been exposed on the left since Bernie-burn DNC BS....down through the hacking scandal and the preposterous Collusion theory that the public no longer even has an eye roll left for the stuff coming out of that conglomeration of confusion and falsehood. What few truths may be embedded therein are hopelessly lost in sea of lies and then isolated by a wall of arrogance, condescension and venom.

Trump has played this game very well...despite his buffoonery.....which may in fact be part of the game. He is is a tough as a piece of sun dried elephant skin and as determined as a hungry crocodile. He knows that all he has to do is wait for the left to self destruct.....

Lucy holds the football and Linus will ALWAYS come for the kick..... Lucy will ALWAYS pull it out and Linus will end up on his back EVERY TIME. The left can no more adjust their stance and their ethics than Linus can resist the attempt.

Nuff said.

Landslide 2020...

JO
Far less than half of the population approves of Trump's administration. The only way he gets a landslide in 2020 is if the democrats let Hillary run again....
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/05/russia-has-been-meddling-in-foreign-elections-for-decades-has-it-made-a-difference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4fe5fe828fd

Moscow has been doing this for decades....then again so has China and most recently NK. The most dangerous of these is demonstrably China...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

A few tiny Tariffs against them for these things is not enough IMO. But do we see any media coverage? NO...the media has no interest in national security and they use the words patriot and loyalty to further the cause of espionage and national destruction only....similar to the DNC operatives who spam these boards every day with their pre-chisled political barf-o-rama.

I think the best approach to this entire thing is to illuminate it for what it really is....a huge credibility gap. So much has been exposed on the left since Bernie-burn DNC BS....down through the hacking scandal and the preposterous Collusion theory that the public no longer even has an eye roll left for the stuff coming out of that conglomeration of confusion and falsehood. What few truths may be embedded therein are hopelessly lost in sea of lies and then isolated by a wall of arrogance, condescension and venom.

Trump has played this game very well...despite his buffoonery.....which may in fact be part of the game. He is is a tough as a piece of sun dried elephant skin and as determined as a hungry crocodile. He knows that all he has to do is wait for the left to self destruct.....

Lucy holds the football and Linus will ALWAYS come for the kick..... Lucy will ALWAYS pull it out and Linus will end up on his back EVERY TIME. The left can no more adjust their stance and their ethics than Linus can resist the attempt.

Nuff said.

Landslide 2020...

JO

Libs still Warmongers, thought Sow was a shoe-in for War, opps

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dollar88-million-and-counting-trump-amasses-huge-head-start-for-2020-campaign/ar-AAA7Luy?ocid=spartandhp

they going to be jumping from tall buildings soon!
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Lefty...

Meddling for 28 years OK...past two years suddenly important.

JO
What evidence of meddling in the 1992 election do you have? How about 2000?

You seem to want to ignore it because it helped Trump win and that is all you really think matters.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
What evidence of meddling in the 1992 election do you have? How about 2000?

You seem to want to ignore it because it helped Trump win and that is all you really think matters.
That’s the bottom line. They know the Kremlin engaged in an illegal cyberattack against our election - unprecedented in scope - but they like the stooge Putin chose, so they ignore it, dismiss it, or minimize it.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
What evidence of meddling in the 1992 election do you have? How about 2000?

You seem to want to ignore it because it helped Trump win and that is all you really think matters.
amazing you libs calling Obama a LIAR after he said NO ONE could rig our elections...….
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
What evidence of meddling in the 1992 election do you have? How about 2000?

You seem to want to ignore it because it helped Trump win and that is all you really think matters.

For your consideration:

Election Meddling Roots Date Back to Post-World War II Era
In Slate magazine, Joshua Keating recalled how Dov Levin, a postdoctoral fellow at Carnegie Mellon University’s Institute for Politics and Strategy, showed just how common Kremlin election meddling has been. “Using declassified documents, statements by officials, and journalistic accounts, Levin has found evidence of interference by either the United States or the Soviet Union/Russia in 117 elections around the world between 1946 and 2000, or 11.3 percent of the 937 competitive national-level elections held during this period.”

Keating also noted that there were “reports about the Soviets involved in the elections of Truman 1948 and Reagan in 1984. Both times, the Soviets side failed to win.”

Presidential Candidate Adlai Stevenson Targeted by Russians for His Anti-Nuclear Stance
According to the Smithsonian Magazine website, Democratic nominee for president in 1952 and 1956 Adlai Stevenson was accused of being soft on national security issues because he favored ending nuclear tests.

Stevenson’s attitude toward nuclear devices led the Soviets to believe that he might be someone they could work with. On January 16, 1960, Soviet Ambassador Mikhael Menshikov gave Stevenson a message from Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, encouraging him to seriously consider another run for president in 1960. “The Soviets offered the former presidential candidate propaganda support if he ran in 1960, an offer he politely declined,” the Smithsonian article said.

KGB Engaged in Active Measures to Weaken Other Nations
When CNN interviewed Soviet defector and former KGB General Oleg Kalugin in 1998, he discussed the Kremlin’s information operations in those years. Kalugin said the purpose of the KGB’s information operations was subversion. The operations were “active measures” to:

  • Weaken the West
  • Drive wedges in the Western community alliances of all sorts, particularly NATO
  • Sow discord among allies
  • Weaken the United States in the eyes of the people in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America
  • Prepare the ground in case war really occurs
  • Make America more vulnerable to the anger and distrust of other peoples
Kalugin described the Soviets’ activities as “really a worldwide campaign, often not only sponsored and funded, but conducted and manipulated by the KGB. And this was again part and parcel of this campaign to weaken [the] military, economic and psychological climate in the West.”


Complete text: https://inhomelandsecurity.com/election-meddling-is-nothing-new-in-russian-us-relations/



The more you know, etc.....
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
For your consideration:

Election Meddling Roots Date Back to Post-World War II Era
In Slate magazine, Joshua Keating recalled how Dov Levin, a postdoctoral fellow at Carnegie Mellon University’s Institute for Politics and Strategy, showed just how common Kremlin election meddling has been. “Using declassified documents, statements by officials, and journalistic accounts, Levin has found evidence of interference by either the United States or the Soviet Union/Russia in 117 elections around the world between 1946 and 2000, or 11.3 percent of the 937 competitive national-level elections held during this period.”

Keating also noted that there were “reports about the Soviets involved in the elections of Truman 1948 and Reagan in 1984. Both times, the Soviets side failed to win.”

Presidential Candidate Adlai Stevenson Targeted by Russians for His Anti-Nuclear Stance
According to the Smithsonian Magazine website, Democratic nominee for president in 1952 and 1956 Adlai Stevenson was accused of being soft on national security issues because he favored ending nuclear tests.

Stevenson’s attitude toward nuclear devices led the Soviets to believe that he might be someone they could work with. On January 16, 1960, Soviet Ambassador Mikhael Menshikov gave Stevenson a message from Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, encouraging him to seriously consider another run for president in 1960. “The Soviets offered the former presidential candidate propaganda support if he ran in 1960, an offer he politely declined,” the Smithsonian article said.

KGB Engaged in Active Measures to Weaken Other Nations
When CNN interviewed Soviet defector and former KGB General Oleg Kalugin in 1998, he discussed the Kremlin’s information operations in those years. Kalugin said the purpose of the KGB’s information operations was subversion. The operations were “active measures” to:

  • Weaken the West
  • Drive wedges in the Western community alliances of all sorts, particularly NATO
  • Sow discord among allies
  • Weaken the United States in the eyes of the people in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America
  • Prepare the ground in case war really occurs
  • Make America more vulnerable to the anger and distrust of other peoples
Kalugin described the Soviets’ activities as “really a worldwide campaign, often not only sponsored and funded, but conducted and manipulated by the KGB. And this was again part and parcel of this campaign to weaken [the] military, economic and psychological climate in the West.”


Complete text: https://inhomelandsecurity.com/election-meddling-is-nothing-new-in-russian-us-relations/



The more you know, etc.....
What is the point here? Trump rightfully ignores the Kremlin’s crimes in the 2016 election - and rightfully cozies up to the criminal leader, Putin - because they also “meddled” with elections in the past?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
For your consideration:

Election Meddling Roots Date Back to Post-World War II Era
In Slate magazine, Joshua Keating recalled how Dov Levin, a postdoctoral fellow at Carnegie Mellon University’s Institute for Politics and Strategy, showed just how common Kremlin election meddling has been. “Using declassified documents, statements by officials, and journalistic accounts, Levin has found evidence of interference by either the United States or the Soviet Union/Russia in 117 elections around the world between 1946 and 2000, or 11.3 percent of the 937 competitive national-level elections held during this period.”

Keating also noted that there were “reports about the Soviets involved in the elections of Truman 1948 and Reagan in 1984. Both times, the Soviets side failed to win.”

Presidential Candidate Adlai Stevenson Targeted by Russians for His Anti-Nuclear Stance
According to the Smithsonian Magazine website, Democratic nominee for president in 1952 and 1956 Adlai Stevenson was accused of being soft on national security issues because he favored ending nuclear tests.

Stevenson’s attitude toward nuclear devices led the Soviets to believe that he might be someone they could work with. On January 16, 1960, Soviet Ambassador Mikhael Menshikov gave Stevenson a message from Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, encouraging him to seriously consider another run for president in 1960. “The Soviets offered the former presidential candidate propaganda support if he ran in 1960, an offer he politely declined,” the Smithsonian article said.

KGB Engaged in Active Measures to Weaken Other Nations
When CNN interviewed Soviet defector and former KGB General Oleg Kalugin in 1998, he discussed the Kremlin’s information operations in those years. Kalugin said the purpose of the KGB’s information operations was subversion. The operations were “active measures” to:

  • Weaken the West
  • Drive wedges in the Western community alliances of all sorts, particularly NATO
  • Sow discord among allies
  • Weaken the United States in the eyes of the people in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America
  • Prepare the ground in case war really occurs
  • Make America more vulnerable to the anger and distrust of other peoples
Kalugin described the Soviets’ activities as “really a worldwide campaign, often not only sponsored and funded, but conducted and manipulated by the KGB. And this was again part and parcel of this campaign to weaken [the] military, economic and psychological climate in the West.”


Complete text: https://inhomelandsecurity.com/election-meddling-is-nothing-new-in-russian-us-relations/



The more you know, etc.....
so they made an offer that was declined...and then there are vague accusations of involvement in 1948 and 1980....and somehow that means we should ignore 2016?
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
so they made an offer that was declined...and then there are vague accusations of involvement in 1948 and 1980....and somehow that means we should ignore 2016?
To my knowledge, no one here has suggested ignoring anything. Classic strawman.

And, despite your attempts at marginalization, the evidence remains clear that this is not a new phenomenon. Any suggestion that it is would be false.

Ignoring or minimizing the facts that don't fit the narrative is illogical, no?
 
Lefty...

Meddling for 28 years OK...past two years suddenly important.

JO
Mueller going to put an end to it. Right-wingers don't him to because Russian interference is the only way they can win elections. How hard is it for Trump to say, "Vlad, I don't want your help, I am capable of doing this on my own."
He knows he can't win without the Russians help.
 
To my knowledge, no one here has suggested ignoring anything. Classic strawman.

And, despite your attempts at marginalization, the evidence remains clear that this is not a new phenomenon. Any suggestion that it is would be false.

Ignoring or minimizing the facts that don't fit the narrative is illogical, no?
A history lesson misses the point. We want to stop them from doing it in the future.
 

Boltlady

Mayor
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/01/05/russia-has-been-meddling-in-foreign-elections-for-decades-has-it-made-a-difference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e4fe5fe828fd

Moscow has been doing this for decades....then again so has China and most recently NK. The most dangerous of these is demonstrably China...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States

A few tiny Tariffs against them for these things is not enough IMO. But do we see any media coverage? NO...the media has no interest in national security and they use the words patriot and loyalty to further the cause of espionage and national destruction only....similar to the DNC operatives who spam these boards every day with their pre-chisled political barf-o-rama.

I think the best approach to this entire thing is to illuminate it for what it really is....a huge credibility gap. So much has been exposed on the left since Bernie-burn DNC BS....down through the hacking scandal and the preposterous Collusion theory that the public no longer even has an eye roll left for the stuff coming out of that conglomeration of confusion and falsehood. What few truths may be embedded therein are hopelessly lost in sea of lies and then isolated by a wall of arrogance, condescension and venom.

Trump has played this game very well...despite his buffoonery.....which may in fact be part of the game. He is is a tough as a piece of sun dried elephant skin and as determined as a hungry crocodile. He knows that all he has to do is wait for the left to self destruct.....

Lucy holds the football and Linus will ALWAYS come for the kick..... Lucy will ALWAYS pull it out and Linus will end up on his back EVERY TIME. The left can no more adjust their stance and their ethics than Linus can resist the attempt.

Nuff said.

Landslide 2020...

JO
The most interesting to me is just how much of 'the rest of the story' that the media leaves out. Part of that is the number of other countries that have involved themselves in our elections, especially after a number of servers used to conduct our gov't business were so vulnerable to hacking by most anybody.

Another part, and one of the biggest, is the number of countries' elections that we interject ourselves into including forcing or attempting regime change. Evidently that's supposed to be OK for us to do 'cause we're so special.

At any rate, all of it from all sides has gone on for so many years that it's sort of part of the process.
 
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