Just about every group -- ideological, religious, ethnic, national, etc. -- has a somewhat unrealistic (or what you're calling delusional) romantic notion of itself. It's not really a bad thing; an idealized self-image helps keep the people striving to live up to it.No, the commies have a self-deluding romantic notion of themselves exactly like the Nazis do.
I've cited in the past several articles by geneticists asserting otherwise, that race is a biological reality.“The concept of race has no genetic or scientific basis.”-James Venter (1st to sequence the human genome)
Didn't happen.Hence the slaves literally worked and starved to death in the concentration camps.
Didn't happen.The extermination of Jews is of course an extreme manifestation of anti-Semitism.
"Reproductive freedom" -- you mean abortion (aka, infanticide) on demand. Yes, Nat'l Socialism opposes it. No apologies.As for sexism there is the lack of reproductive freedom and the forcible exclusion of women from nearly all employment.
Yet never once has been able to actually provide it.The Marxist cares about food on the hungry family’s table
while the Nazi calls for that family to go hungry in the interest of the worshipped state.
Precisely the opposite of the truth.while Nazis insist that the people will be better off waiting to eat pie in the sky.
When the benefits of that socialism are promised to all who contribute to the ethno-state community, that is National Socialism.Clearly there is such a thing as socialism that makes promises of a kind. When the benefits of that socialism is promised to a class that is communism. When the benefits of that socialism is promised to a race that is Nazism.
Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi. And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism like we do Stalin's, Pol's, and Mao's communism. Same evil shit.When the benefits of that socialism are promised to all who contribute to the ethno-state community, that is National Socialism.
Impossible since racial groups aren’t united by common descent.I've cited in the past several articles by geneticists asserting otherwise, that race is a biological reality.
Didn't happen.
Didn't happen.
The right of women to choose when and whether to have children instead of having the state choose for them. The Nazis mandates forced childbirth for some, and forced abortions for others ... like other opponents of reproductive freedom, their goal was not preserving life but extending state control."Reproductive freedom" -- you mean abortion (aka, infanticide) on demand. Yes, Nat'l Socialism opposes it. No apologies.
Your second clause -- Untrue.
China was a land in which people died of famine by the tens of thousands year in and year out, as they do in India to this day. China had a socialist revolution in 1949, led reluctantly by a counterrevolutionary Stalinist clique pushed forward by the masses. This clique’s anticommunist maneuvers created a crisis leading to an ultraleftist adventure known as the “Great Leap Forward” in which China rapidly went from a backward agricultural country to a modern industrialized country, at the expense of the masses who suffered greatly. The foundation of socialism and the industrialization it made possible served China well, however. Even though capitalism was eventually restored by Stalinist brutality (Tiananmen Square, Beijing Olympics antilabor assault), the legacy of Chinese socialism includes not only its modern industrial development but also a relatively thorough welfare state, and no one has starved in China since 1962 ... something that can be said of no other capitalist country.Yet never once has been able to actually provide it.
So why did Nazi Germany require the methods of terror to cow the masses into obedience? What about the families who starved? The ones exterminated by the Einsatzgruppen? Why did the Germans welcome the Americans as liberators?Precisely the opposite of the truth.
No working family ever had it better than in Nat'l Socialist Germany. I've cited numerous proofs in the past.
No, what keeps people striving for something objectively good is real virtue; the love your neighbor, don't steal, and don't kill kind of virtues.Just about every group -- ideological, religious, ethnic, national, etc. -- has a somewhat unrealistic (or what you're calling delusional) romantic notion of itself. It's not really a bad thing; an idealized self-image helps keep the people striving to live up to it.
Stalin and Mao were centrists searching fruitlessly for a compromise between communism and capitalism. Hitler was a right-wing radical frustrated with capitalism’s progressive obliteration of traditional values. Pol Pot was an ultraleftist who hated communism’s sober, moderate response to the horror of capitalism. What unites them all is that their political power represented the strength, not of the workers or the capitalists, but of certain middle-class layers (peasant-soldiers for Mao and Pol Pot, bureaucrats including party officials for Mao, Stalin, and Hitler, and small business owners for Hitler). Of course the middle classes, by their nature, cannot hold power independently. What distinguishes Hitler’s regime from the others, above all else, was that he ruled through alliance with the capitalists and landlords, while Mao and Stalin ruled primarily through alliance with the workers whose interest they, in a distorted way, represented, and Pol Pot through the workers as well, indirectly, as a Chinese client).Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi. And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism like we do Stalin's, Pol's, and Mao's communism. Same evil shit.
What do I care about either of your commie or Nazi self-deluded romantic notions of yourselves. Let go of the evil Emily.
But you don't know or understand what a "Nazi" actually is.Rehabilitation is not your forte - a Nazi is a Nazi.
No, you all don't.And we all know the full and true story of Hitler and his Nazism
Yet here you are, posting to this thread.What do I care about either of your commie or Nazi self-deluded romantic notions of yourselves.
I did.Let go of the evil Emily.
Yet it's true.Impossible
Uh huh. Just a social construct, blah, blah. "There are none so blind..."since racial groups aren’t united by common descent.
The right to use birth control. Yes.The right of women to choose when and whether to have children instead of having the state choose for them.
Encouraged isn't the same as mandated.The Nazis mandates forced childbirth for some, and forced abortions for others
It didn't.So why did Nazi Germany require the methods of terror to cow the masses into obedience?
Nope. The Einsatzgruppen had a job; killing innocent families wasn't included in the job description.The ones exterminated by the Einsatzgruppen?
They didn't. Neither did the French. Positive proof is available, including film footage you can find on Youtube.Why did the Germans welcome the Americans as liberators?
"Conservative" family values isn't all that defines "right-wing" -- the right/left dichotomy simply doesn't fit, despite your agenda-driven assertions. He was, indeed, frustrated with the obliteration of traditional values in Germany at the time -- like so many of us in the West today -- but it wasn't only the capitalists obliterating them; it was the communists and communism's founders/promoters.Hitler was a right-wing radical frustrated with capitalism’s progressive obliteration of traditional values
The part where you say, "ought to listen," has a kind of threatening connotation coming from a committed Nazi. Like I said you don't have the talent to redress the evil of Nazism nor @EatTheRich for that of communism.But you don't know or understand what a "Nazi" actually is.
S'okay; most don't. But one ought to listen when a "Nazi" explains what it is to be a "Nazi."
No, you all don't.
Yet here you are, posting to this thread.
I did.
Let go of the evil, R.E.
Fact: there is a very low correlation between assignment to the same race by any of the dozens of racial classification schemes and having genetic affinity.Yet it's true.
Uh huh. Just a social construct, blah, blah. "There are none so blind..."
And? The Nazis’ means of encouragement were the bullet and the gas chamber.Encouraged isn't the same as mandated.
And the gallows and the truncheon and the concentration camp and the prison and the police dogs and the barbed wire.It didn't.
Yes it is. They sent reports to their SS superiors, reports read by Himmler, about how many they killed each day.Nope. The Einsatzgruppen had a job; killing innocent families wasn't included in the job description.
They didn't. Neither did the French. Positive proof is available, including film footage you can find on Youtube.
Left/right is about pro-majority vs. pro-elites. By that measure the Nazis were right-wing, in fact no political movement in history ever served the cause of the ultra-rich or damaged the situation of the masses more thoroughly."Conservative" family values isn't all that defines "right-wing" -- the right/left dichotomy simply doesn't fit, despite your agenda-driven assertions.
That wasn't my intention at all.The part where you say, "ought to listen," has a kind of threatening connotation coming from a committed Nazi.
Redressing "the evil of Nazism isn't among my goals here. There's little evil to redress. Very little, relative to communism, capitalism, and democracy.Like I said you don't have the talent to redress the evil of Nazism
Among certain social philosophers with agendas, perhaps. Biologically, that's just not so.Fact: there is a very low correlation between assignment to the same race by any of the dozens of racial classification schemes and having genetic affinity.
That's a baseless statement; entirely untrue.Your philosophy says that existing human lives should be sacrificed to the principle of reproduction for reproduction’s sake.
That's an opinion. It's one with which many, many people disagree.A mother has a new child when the fetus exits the womb and turns into a child.
The Nazis’ means of encouragement were the bullet and the gas chamber.
All of that is false and based on wartime + post-war propaganda.And the gallows and the truncheon and the concentration camp and the prison and the police dogs and the barbed wire.
No one said the Einsatzgruppen didn't kill people. You asserted,, falsely, that they went about killing families; I said, truthfully, that killing families wasn't their job. They were field operatives combating resistance fighters and communist partisans.They sent reports to their SS superiors, reports read by Himmler, about how many they killed each day.
That summation of left & right isn't one most people would use. Still, by that measure, Nat'l Socialists were and are left-wing. No movement (Nat'l Socialism isn't just a political movement) in history ever lifted the masses more or benefited people of all classes together as much.Left/right is about pro-majority vs. pro-elites. By that measure the Nazis were right-wing, in fact no political movement in history ever served the cause of the ultra-rich or damaged the situation of the masses more thoroughly.
Biologically, it is.Among certain social philosophers with agendas, perhaps. Biologically, that's just not so.
That is a position you announced immediately above.That's a baseless statement; entirely untrue.
Actually, it’s a fact. And facts don’t care about your feelings.That's an opinion. It's one with which many, many people disagree.
Why did Nazi propaganda portray the Nazis as brutal thugs?All of that is false and based on wartime + post-war propaganda.
The Jews they massacred (man, woman, and child) as per their orders, in the killings where they documented how many hundreds of Jews each detachment killed every day, were not all part of the resistance.No one said the Einsatzgruppen didn't kill people. You asserted,, falsely, that they went about killing families; I said, truthfully, that killing families wasn't their job. They were field operatives combating resistance fighters and communist partisans.
Your propaganda vs. mine. Since the U.S. is also a brutal empire, there is no doubt there was also some popular resistance to their invasion. The fact remains that the Nazis were widely hated.Thanks for the videos. However, newsreel war propaganda is hardly a source of unbiased information. I haven't the time right now to look for it, but there's unedited footage of US soldiers "liberating" Paris being shoved and spat upon by French civilians.
You mean, of prisoners forced on death marches to keep the Soviets from uncovering the evidence of their treatment.There's also documentation of camp prisoners choosing to run with German soldiers rather than be "liberated" by oncoming Russian forces.
The Nazis immediately started screwing over the masses, breaking their unions, arresting anyone who spoke up on their behalf, robbing and plundering. By the time war was effected, largely through their agency, they had already made half of Europe miserable.That summation of left & right isn't one most people would use. Still, by that measure, Nat'l Socialists were and are left-wing. No movement (Nat'l Socialism isn't just a political movement) in history ever lifted the masses more or benefited people of all classes together as much.
That, subsequently, the ultra-rich gained greatly from a war they instigated while the masses suffered doesn't change that.
You: A mother has a new child when the fetus exits the womb and turns into a child.Actually, it’s a fact. And facts don’t care about your feelings.
That large numbers of communist partisans were jews wasn't the soldiers' fault.The Jews they massacred (man, woman, and child) as per their orders, in the killings where they documented how many hundreds of Jews each detachment killed every day, were not all part of the resistance.
In agreement up to the last sentence there. The National Socialists were hated by their enemies, ideological and military; not by the German masses, their allies, or all the others they tried to help.Your propaganda vs. mine. Since the U.S. is also a brutal empire, there is no doubt there was also some popular resistance to their invasion. The fact remains that the Nazis were widely hated.
I meant exactly what I said: 'camp prisoners choosing to run with German soldiers rather than be "liberated" by oncoming Russian forces.' See, for example, "Night" by Ellie Wiesel. Forced death marches are yet more victors' propaganda with little support in the facts. The ACTUAL evidence of how the prisoners were treated was suppressed and replaced by tall tales the Allies wished told, as in the purported documentary filmwork of Billy Wilder. Modern communications technologies have allowed the real truth to be spread. Which side's treatment of prisoners was exemplary and which brutal isn't as we were taught; the evidence of this is overwhelming.You mean, of prisoners forced on death marches to keep the Soviets from uncovering the evidence of their treatment.
Again with you, I find myself quoting Luke Skywalker: "Amazing: Every word of what you just said is wrong." Pure communist propaganda.The Nazis immediately started screwing over the masses, breaking their unions, arresting anyone who spoke up on their behalf, robbing and plundering. By the time war was effected, largely through their agency, they had already made half of Europe miserable.