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So, has “the dossier” now been verified?

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Bugsy McGurk, May 14, 2019.

  1. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    A central theme of Trump and his lackeys is that the Steele dossier was complete hooey, and that our intel people inappropriately considered its contents.

    So, how does the accuracy of the dossier stand after the psssage of a couple of years and the issuance of the Mueller report?

    Quite well, actually. It’s central themes have now been completely confirmed. Like all such documents, some of its details are still open to question, but the overall accuracy of the dossier is quite impressive.

    Read about that for yourself here...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Russia_dossier
     
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  2. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    Obviously Trump is a chronic liar and douchebag, but the fact the Hillary campaign used foreign sources to gather dirt should be investigated just like the several criminal investigations into the Clinton Foundation should continue.
     
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  3. Mick

    Mick Mayor

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/steele-dossier-mueller-report.html

    Some quotes from your own alt-left news source:

    "The release on Thursday of the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, underscored what had grown clearer for months — that while many Trump aides had welcomed contacts with the Russians, some of the most sensational claims in the dossier appeared to be false, and others were impossible to prove. Mr. Mueller’s report contained over a dozen passing references to the document’s claims but no overall assessment of why so much did not check out."

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    "Interviews with people familiar with Mr. Steele’s work on the dossier and the F.B.I.’s scramble to vet its claims suggest that misgivings about its reliability arose not long after the document became public — and a preoccupation of Trump opponents — in early 2017. Mr. Steele has made clear to associates that he always considered the dossier to be raw intelligence — not established facts."

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    "By January 2017, F.B.I. agents had tracked down and interviewed one of Mr. Steele’s main sources, a Russian speaker from a former Soviet republic who had spent time in the West, according to a Justice Department document and three people familiar with the events, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. After questioning him about where he’d gotten his information, they suspected he might have added his own interpretations to reports passed on by his sources, one of the people said. For the F.B.I., that made it harder to decide what to trust."

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    "How the dossier ended up loaded with dubious or exaggerated details remains uncertain, but the document may be the result of a high-stakes game of telephone, in which rumors and hearsay were passed from source to source."

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    "Another possibility — one that Mr. Steele has not ruled out — could be Russian disinformation. That would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the Clinton campaign, Russian spymasters hedged their bets and placed a few land mines under Mr. Trump’s presidency as well.

    Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, saw that as plausible. “Russia has huge experience in spreading false information,” he said."

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    "Michael Cohen did not, as the dossier claimed, travel to Prague to conspire in the Russian hacking of Democrats, the Mueller report makes clear.

    Similarly, Mr. Page, a foreign policy adviser, was invited to address a prestigious Moscow institute in July 2016 in what seems to have been a calculated Russian attempt to curry favor. But Mr. Mueller, after a two-year investigation involving roughly 40 F.B.I. agents and other specialists, provided no evidence to support the claim that the adviser had collected a brokerage fee for the sale of a share of the Russian oil giant Rosneft. Nor has any evidence emerged to support the dossier’s claims about D.N.C. moles, Romanian hackers, Russian pensioners — or years of Trump-Putin intelligence trading."

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    "Other dossier assertions remain neither proved nor disproved, notably its claim about Mr. Trump’s alleged dalliance with prostitutes. The Mueller report says a Russian businessman texted Mr. Cohen a week before the election to say that he had “stopped the flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there’s anything else.” The businessman, Giorgi Rtskhiladze, later said he was referring to compromising tapes of Mr. Trump — but had been told they were fake."

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    Pea brain, that is one shitty document you are defending there. Thanks for humiliating yourself and leftists everywhere. Lulz
     
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  4. Mick

    Mick Mayor

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    I digressed. I shouldn't stoop to his level.
     
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  5. RickWA

    RickWA Governor

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    Ugh. We’re all guilty of stooping at one point or another. Just take a shower, scrub vigorously, and start the penicillin IV drip straight away.

    You can’t be too careful.

    Better be sure your tetanus shot is current as well...
     
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  6. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    I'm curious...what do you think it means when someone uses someone like Steele to gather info on Trump? Do you think there is a law related to it? There isn't. If you pay the guy it is for services rendered. If he does it for free it is an illegal campaign donation.

    If you encourage the source to break US law to gather information then that is conspiracy.

    No law was broken by Steele in gathering the info in the Dossier. He did not hack anybody's computer. He did not illegally bug anyone's home or office.

    The investigation into the CGI has been going on for about 18 months and they've found nothing, but notice that nobody is threatening the agents doing the work. Nobody is calling them names. Nobody is calling it a witch hunt.
     
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  7. RickWA

    RickWA Governor

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    This is an amazing soul-sacrifice to the DNC (as usual). Good grief.
     
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  8. Spamature

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    9. OPINION AND FACT
    If a poster asserts something as fact, that poster must be prepared to give sources that show it is fact.


    Now if you don't mind,

    I'd like to see your homework, Rick.
     
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  9. now_what

    now_what Mayor Supporting Member

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    Prepare for bad excuses, then crickets.
     
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  10. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    every now and again I take you off of ignore to see if you have anything to contribute...clearly you do not.
     
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  11. The truth

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    Not even worth a few laughs
     
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  12. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    How do you know no laws were broken unless it's investigated?

    If nothing was found that was illegal, fine.
     
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  13. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Interesting how you completely ignored the link I gave you, which analyzes the dossier chapter and verse as to what has been verified and what has not.

    But the bottom line is the same in any event. As I said above, while some details of the dossier remain in question, its central themes have been corroborated through the Mueller report and otherwise. You evade that point and yap, as always.
     
  14. sensible don

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    Great, PLEASE PUT HER IN JAIL ! If she broke the law then put her on trial and put her in jail. That way King Trump and the righties WILL STOP WHINING EVERYDAY ! No one here cares about Hillary

    HTD
    HTD
    HTD
     
  15. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    The Mueller report is the one I trust the most. It's apolitical and, if anything, doesn't go far enough.
     
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  16. Max R.

    Max R. On the road Supporting Member

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    Agreed, that's where she belongs but I doubt she'll ever be tried for her malfeasance.


    Again agreed that if she broke laws, which Comey testified she did, she should be tried and convicted. The Righties will whine about anything which they dislike same as the Lefties. Obviously you care about Hillary....a lot.
     
  17. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Of course. But the DOJ is now in the hands of Trump’s “own Roy Cohn” - Barr - and our slide into banana republicanism is now accelerating.

    If law enforcement dares to investigate el Presidente and his cronies - even when a foreign nation illegally attacks our national election - those law enforcement officials are to be persecuted. A lesson from el Presidente to those who may consider such an investigation in the future, and punishment for those who sought to protect the nation.
     
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  18. Winston

    Winston Do you feel lucky, Punk

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    Yes the dossier is verified as your wet dream
     
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  19. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    Someone used wikipedia as a source ?

    Dumber yet- someone is STILL fawning already an already proven piece of fiction ?

    UNDER OATH

    (CNN)A newly released snippet of a deposition with the ex-British spy behind the Trump-Russia dossier describes some of the steps he took to verify information he collected for it in 2016, including pulling from a user-generated citizen journalism initiative by CNN, iReport, which no longer operates.

    Christopher Steele admitted during a lawsuit deposition that he used internet searches and unverified information to support details he had gathered about a web company mentioned in the dossier, according to select pages of his deposition transcript that a federal court unsealed this week.
     
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  20. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Let me know if you can refute anything in the linked piece.

    Or, just keep mindlessly yapping.

    I think I know which path you will choose.

    ;-)
     
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