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So, what’s the connection between the new indictments and Trump’s Ukraine outrages?

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Bugsy McGurk, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Here’s a piece that neatly analyzes that question...

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics...es-arrested-sdny-trump-corrupt-elections.html

    The highlights:

    “But more interesting than the details of the petty influence-peddling efforts are the allegations in the complaint that the purpose was to further the bigger political goals of the co-conspirators. According to the Wall Street Journal, the defendants funneled $325,000 to a pro-Trump super PAC. They then worked with the president’s personal attorney, Giuliani, to remove the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. (They further allegedly sought to lobby an unnamed congressman to seek the ambassador’s removal.) The apparent goal was to move her out of the way so Giuliani, on Trump’s behalf, could pressure Ukraine prosecutors to dig up or fabricate dirt on Joe Biden and his son Hunter. All of this is at the center of Congress’ impeachment inquiry of the president, and House Democrats were reportedly due to seek to depose the two men as critical witnesses prior to their arrest.

    It’s worth noting that the key portion of the Ukraine call transcript, which demonstrated the president’s efforts to pressure Ukraine’s president to investigate Biden, is also the portion in which Trump brings up the removed ambassador....

    We don’t yet know why the ambassador was removed, but we now know that Trump’s own Department of Justice alleges that there was a foreign influence effort to have her removed backed by a foreign national and undertaken by two people who Trump’s own former attorney has said were working on behalf of Giuliani and Trump. We also know that the president raised the ambassador’s removal directly before bringing up the Bidens with the Ukrainian president.
    Again, all of this holds vast implications for the House’s impeachment probe and the picture is only starting to come together.”

    Read the whole thing. Good stuff.
     
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  2. You have a few problems. First off, it was Biden who made himself a target of curiosity and suspect of crime by admitting to extorting Ukraine. Of course, his crack head son getting a cushy board position fresh off getting kicked out of the Navy makes it obvious why Biden wanted that prosecutor out of the picture.

    Any sane person will realize that these two items alone are reasonable cause enough to investigate what happened- which is precisely what Trump asked the Ukrainian president to do. In fact, it was Trump's responsibility, based on our ratified treaty with Ukraine, to cooperate with Ukraine (and vice versa) regarding criminal matters, i.e. Biden extorting Ukraine.
     
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  3. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    There are none.
     
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  4. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    FYI, sane people know the article is about Trump and Giuliani. Yet you babble about Biden.

    Try to focus on the topics.
     
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  5. Drumcollie

    Drumcollie Ending Racism with or without Hillary

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    The connection is whatever you accuse Trump of..."You people" already did. 0 for 17 now.
     
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  6. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    1. There was no investigation involving Hunter Biden when the prosecutor was fired.
    2. Not a peep out of Trump related to Biden until Biden becomes the most likely dem nominee. All of a sudden Trump suggests Ukraine and China should investigate...Gee, ya think that would help Trump's campaign?
     
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  7. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    How many of Trump's cronies going to jail? How many Trump appointees have quit?
     
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  8. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    Everything you said in this post is bullshit.
     
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  9. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    1. There was no investigation into Burisma in early 2016. If you know otherwise...where is your proof?
    2. Show one single mention by Trump of any accusation against Biden prior to Joe's announcement that he was running.

    I don't expect you will have a reply that is worth reading.
     
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  10. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    You people have so f**ked up the narrative on this, with Shittff phony transcript, it's hard to keep up with your lies.
    It does not matter when Trump mentioned Biden. Biden has been a known crook since he first became VP. Investigating him and his crackhead son, and sending them both to prison, is a legitimate undertaking.
     
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  11. 1) There was never any investigation of Hunter Biden specifically. There were 15 into Burisma Holdings. And yes, there was an investigation when Sleepy Joe pulled his shakedown.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

    2) Biden won't be the nominee so that's irrelevant.
    3) But let's play along. Biden's plant and whistleblower suddenly appear a year before a presidential election. Think that might help Biden?
     
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  12. You're the one who brought up Biden, Einstein. Duh. LOL
     
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  13. Huh? Trump never mentioned Biden??? My god man have some shred of integrity!!!
     
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  14. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    It looks like it will be either Biden or Fauxcohontas. Both are lying sacks of shit and will be easily beaten by Trump. I'm still hoping for Biden because I'd like to see Trump expose the crooked bastard and his crackhead offspring.
     
  15. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    Nope. I’m the one (along with the piece author) who brought up the Trump crime of extorting the Ukraine president into announcing an investigation of the Bidens.

    The distinction is significant.

    OK, you can now go back to your diversion attempts.
     
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    The Arrest of Giuliani’s Ukraine Associates Shows How Much Trump Has Already Corrupted Our Elections

    The lead paragraph:

    The news of Thursday’s indictments of two associates of Rudy Giuliani’s, who according to their lawyer (and former Trump lawyer) John Dowd, assisted Giuliani “in connection with his representation of President Trump” shows that foreign interference in American elections is a feature and not a bug of the Trump campaign and presidency. And the connections to the emerging Ukraine scandal show that the corruption runs deep in this administration.

    Trump can't win without cheating....in his business and in elections. That's the Trump amorality Republicans have embraced.
     
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  17. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    This was the Trump crime that pushed many House members over the edge.

    Until the Ukraine crimes were exposed many people thought it would best better to beat Trump at the ballot box in 2020 than to impeach him. But when it became clear that he was on a crime spree to prevent a fair, legal election, Trump left patriots no choice. He must be impeached.
     
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  18. Nostra

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    Here's the connection:

    As soon as Trump asked Ukraine to look into corruption the anti-Trumper hacks at SDNY sprang into action to create a diversion from the Biden corruption that the lefty media could feed the window licking base.

    This thread is proof it worked.
     
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  19. Nutty Cortez

    Nutty Cortez Woot Woot !!!!!!

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    But we WANT it to be true !!!!! Isn't that enough ?
     
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  20. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    It was too much that Trump was caught doing with Ukraine for the 2020 election what Mueller investigated his campaign of doing with Russia in 2016....solicit and accept illegal foreign help.
     
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