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So why hasn't Assange been indicted for conspiracy to steal DNC emails...

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Raoul_Luke, Apr 14, 2019.

  1. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    So your "guess" is based on supposition, right? You don't know that the NSA doesn't have hard evidence, you suppose they do not because they have not shown it to you.

    What do you "suppose" internet logs would show? Do you really think that every movie or download from one system to another is archived? Having seen logs kept by credit card processors, banks, telephone companies...I can tell you that they may keep the metadata...that from IP address to IP address a file was sent and it was 5gb at a given date and time. Keeping content would be impossible.

    One other item...would the NSA reveal how much they actually capture?
     
  2. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    Food for thought.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/why-isnt-assange-charged-with-collusion-with-russia/
     
  3. marvin martian

    marvin martian Senator

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    So, what was Assange charged with, and how does it fit into your nutjob conspiracy theory that President Trump colluded with Russia to affect the election outcome?
     
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  4. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    Our govt has the proof that Russia's GRU stole DNC emails.
    Wikileaks was the distributor of the stolen emails. Assange can claim 1st amendment rights.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-c...ternational-hacking-and-related-influence-and
     
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  5. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Because I know your attention span is so short that your train of thought is simply a caboose with no visible means of propulsion....

    1. Can you find a single member of Bernie's campaign to have made a trip to Moscow during the primaries?
    2. Can you find any conversations between any of Bernie's campaign and any Russian government official or anyone linked to either Wikileaks or Putin?
     
  6. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    The constitution of the United States does not extend to non-US citizens in other countries.
     
  7. JuliefromOhio

    JuliefromOhio Senator Supporting Member

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    Except if he's charged and tried here in our Courts.
    If I remember correctly, Obama's DOJ held back on indicting Assange as Wikileaks was operating like the free press......disseminating info they did not steal.
     
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  8. marvin martian

    marvin martian Senator

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    Mueller stated there would be no further indictments from his investigation, so what are you expecting Assange to be indicted for?
     
  9. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    Even if that were true it would beat simply being a caboose such as yourself.

    Speaking of being caboose I see you are sticking to pure horseshit.

    From the article:

    Don’t get me wrong: I don’t think there is any basis for a criminal investigation of Senator Sanders. But there appears to have been no criminal predicate for a “collusion” investigation of Donald Trump, either — not a shred of public evidence that he conspired in the Putin regime’s hacking, other than that presented in the Clinton-campaign-sponsored Steele dossier (if you can call that “evidence” — though even Christopher Steele admits it’s not). Yet, Trump was subjected to an investigation for more than two years — on the gossamer-light theory that Trump stood to benefit from Moscow’s perfidy.

    Yes, of course, this cui bono claim was amplified by what were said to be Trump’s intriguing, if noncriminal, ties to Russia. To my knowledge, however, the mythical pee tape of Steele lore has never been located; it is unlikely, then, that there are any Trump photos that compare, intrigue-wise, to a shirtless Bernie boozing it up in the Soviet Union. Surely that should have been worth a FISA warrant or four.


    If Donald Trump honeymooned in Moscow for any one of his marriages, you and your Fascist friends would have practically burned down the White House.

    Double standard much? Your party is a joke.
     
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  10. Bugsy McGurk

    Bugsy McGurk President

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    I expect Trump’s stooge Barr to completely bury it.
     
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  11. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Still whining, eh? The Steel dossier was used to justify surveillance of Carter Page....

    The investigation of Trump might not have happened if Trump had not fired Comey.
    Remember the Mueller investigation happened under Trump's DOJ.
     
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  12. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Governor

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    Putin's Pulitzer Prize

    The public has a right to know what public servants put in their e-mails. Our own poorly educated and lazily self-indulgent fishwrappers wouldn't do their job. As in the private sector, incompetence makes outsourcing look necessary. Because of vested interests, investigative reporting is not something today's jurinalists are any good at.
     
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  13. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    That is correct, Obama's DOJ took a piece of unverified information and lied to a FISA court with it.

    Mueller investigation happened under Trump's DOJ

    A pathetic talking point that if there is any justice is not going to save, the Obama DOJ, Brennan, Clapper, Comey and McCabe.
     
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  14. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Page's meeting in Moscow was verified. Page's claim to being an advisor to the Kremlin was verified. Pages work on the Trump campaign was verified.
     
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  15. Sickofleft

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    No it wasn't verified and you repeating that it was does not make it so.

    To this day Page still denies the meetings that the Steele Dossier alleges took place and McCabe admitted in testimony that the only thing he could confirm was that Page went to Russia. A trip that was public knowledge.

    The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).

    If it was verified (we know it wasn't) why isn't Page in Jail? In order to get a FISA warrant the FBI has to show that the person working on behalf of a foreign power criminally violated the law. So I ask you again, why isn't he in a jail? If what the Dossier alleges is true and was verified, why at the very least is he not charge with lying to the FBI because to this day he still denies those meetings took place.

    Not that you will ever answer those questions but apparently (HOPEFULLY) we now have an AG who is going to get those answers.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    He admitted they did happen.
     
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  17. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    Thank you. Proof you have no idea what you are talking about.

    The Steele dossier alleges that Carter Page met with Sechin and Diveykin.

    To this day he denies those meetings ever took place. Soooooo again, if the information was verified, why isn't he charged with lying to the FBI? Or in jail for acting as an agent of a foreign power and criminally violating the law?

    Not only is he not in jail, he has never even been charged. A HUGE problem for the Obama DOJ since they told the FISA court that info was verified.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    In terse and sometimes heated exchanges with members of the committee, Page admitted that he had met with Russian officials and discussed the U.S. presidential election “in general terms.” He also met with the head of investor relations at Rosneft, a top Russian oil company. Page said the sanctions the U.S. has imposed on Russia may have come up in their discussion but “not directly.”


    The transcript of Page’s testimony also revealed that he applauded a proposal to change the Republican Party’s stance on Ukraine ahead of the 2016 Republican nominating convention. The amendment ensured that Ukraine would not be given weapons to fight Russian forces seeking to claim territory.

    In his testimony, Page acknowledged meeting with numerous senior individuals from Russian energy companies Rosneft and Gazprom in Moscow in July and December, according to an NBC News review of the transcript

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...sia-trip-top-trump-campaign-officials-n818206

    I don't know if Page was interviewed by the FBI prior to the FISA warrant. Do you?
     
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    Page was charged with nothing.

    Oops!
     
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  20. Sickofleft

    Sickofleft Governor

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    This does not help you because none of the people he admitted meeting with on a very public trip were NOT named Sechin and Diveykin as Steele alleges.

    He was not interviewed prior to the FISA warrant but that does not matter. In order to present the information as verified to a FISA court the FBI has to actually verify the information.

    They didn't. He was certainly interviewed him after and if the FBI verified those meetings with Sechin and Diveykin…. why isn't he charged with lying to the FBI? The testimony he gave was also under oath and he still denied meeting with these two people. No perjury charge?

    Odd that Carter Page is walking around as free as anyone... :rolleyes:

    They lied to seize his communications as a back door into Trumps campaign. They had no interest in interviewing him prior which they could have, they know Page. He helped them break up a Russian Spy ring a few years earlier, if they had legitimate questions they could have just asked him.

    Just asking does not backdoor you into the Trump campaign. Barr believes the Trump campaign was spied on, he is correct.
     
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